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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:02 PM Feb 2016

Tonight's Debate is Clinton's One-Question Test: Has She Figured Out What's Wrong with Her Campaign

This is a very important test. Failing this test casts further doubt on whether the Clinton campaign has the strength and foundation to win either the primary or general election (and it is definitely not enough to win just one of these two contests).

Clinton must be able to identify the defect is her campaign if she can correct her course, and a course correction is absolutely necessary because even if her super-delegate booster chair can help her squeak by the primary with a broken campaign, she cannot win the general election with a "good enough" campaign.

So what's wrong with the Clinton campaign? Hint: if Clinton cannot answer that question without using the names "Bernie" or "Sanders," then she's in big trouble.


Also, if she's cannot admit she has a problem, then the problem has grown beyond her ability to manage it, which is a fatal condition.

Here are the symptoms of the problem:

The Clinton campaign fumbled Iowa.

A year before the caucus, Clinton had a 54% lead in Iowa, and she had a 12% lead a month before the caucus and a 3% lead on the day of the caucus:



Clinton spent the most on advertising in Iowa's Democratic caucus by $2,000,000, and she had the most field offices and paid staff.

Still, Clinton performed under her polling despite her huge investment.

The Clinton campaign completely blew it in New Hampshire.


A year before the primary, Clinton had a 39% lead in New Hampshire, and she was only behind by 3% six weeks before the primary and was behind by 14% on the day of the primary:



Again, Clinton performed far under her polling when Sanders blew her out by 22%.


Clinton needs to diagnose her campaign's problem, and if she thinks the problem with her campaign is Sanders, she's not going to be able to correct her course. And if Clinton is having problems in the primary, where she has the DNC and the entire Democratic Party establishment pushing her and fighting to tip the scales against Sanders, then she won't have a prayer if she makes it to the general election where the tables will not be tilted in her favor.
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Tonight's Debate is Clinton's One-Question Test: Has She Figured Out What's Wrong with Her Campaign (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
Among other things she needs.. speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #1
Agreed. She also needs to promote her agenda rather than attacking. "Bernie is bad" offers no basis Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #7
She is the textbook definition of establishment... TipTok Feb 2016 #9
They tried limiting debates RobertEarl Feb 2016 #2
She's already run for President before. winter is coming Feb 2016 #3
Here's the problem jberryhill Feb 2016 #4
Good point... possibly a victim of her success. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #5
I agree. Her belief that she only lost because "Obama did a better job" put the focus on Obama and Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #6
Agree... I think she might succesfully pivot to an affirmative message jberryhill Feb 2016 #13
I agree it is not too late to successfully pivot to a message that puts a positive spotlight on her Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #14
She is trusting in her connections and money to scrape across the finish line... TipTok Feb 2016 #10
Yep. That whole Superdelegate tally and DWS / DNC debate thing are coming home to roost. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #15
The problem with her campaign isn't Bernie - it's her - SHE is the problem. closeupready Feb 2016 #8
Hope she's not booking any Rotary Clubs or Drive Thrus in the near future. Shandris Feb 2016 #11
I wonder if she even knows what her campaign is about. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #12
Her campaign is about her ambition to be the first female president. It seems to end there. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #16
Has she had enough time to look into her transcripts? liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #17
crickets Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #18

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
1. Among other things she needs..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

to get into what she did before going to Arkansas with Bill. That she was a rising star before doing that. A few lines about fighting for the rule of law during the Nixon era wouldn't hurt. That she knows what it's like to distrust the establishment.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
7. Agreed. She also needs to promote her agenda rather than attacking. "Bernie is bad" offers no basis
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
Feb 2016

to erase Clinton's unlikable and untrustworthy numbers.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. They tried limiting debates
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

That didn't work.
Brought out the fam. Zero
Tried to rewrite herstory. Fail.
Tell every one NO. OMG did that fall flat.

I got nothing. No advice, but to just retire and give all her money to Bernie.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
3. She's already run for President before.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

IMO, she's been intending to run again since 2008, so she's literally had years to analyze her mistakes, test the mood of the country, and construct a new approach. How likely is it that she's accomplished in the past few days what she couldn't manage in several years?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Here's the problem
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

I believe the analysis resulted in "Obama did a better job".

What she did WELL, was to establish "inevitability" early on, and use that to discourage other entrants into the race that appeared to have a potential to catch fire.

The problem for her now is that there AREN'T enough other candidates in the race to split the "not Clinton" vote.

It would have been better for her, IMHO for there to have been more candidates in the primary in the first place. Then, the D primaries would probably look a lot more like the GOP primaries are going - with one candidate far above a pack of smaller numbers.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
6. I agree. Her belief that she only lost because "Obama did a better job" put the focus on Obama and
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

failed to analyze what she did wrong. As a result, she is running the same game plan she ran in 2008. She expected a different result because she assumed that her loss was due 100% to Obama and she further assumed that Sanders could not do what Obama did.

This overly simplified failure analysis neglected to account or the weaknesses in Clinton's public perception, the weaknesses in her platform, and the weaknesses in her communication of her platform and campaign themes.

If she had nurtured the field instead of shutting O'Malley, Webb, and Chafee out of the race, she would have looked like a sensible moderate. Instead, she opted for a coronation strategy, which is backfiring horribly.

I expect that she is under the mistaken belief that she's blowing it by not attacking Sanders enough when, in truth, she's focusing TOO MUCH on Sanders and should instead talk about why her plans are a "Goldilocks" option to the left of the xenophobes and bigots running in the Republican primary and to the right of Sanders.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. Agree... I think she might succesfully pivot to an affirmative message
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think either candidate is going to do well by attacking the other candidate or by attempting to make "distinctions" that mischaracterize the other candidate.

If she gets the nomination, but in the process turns Bernie into 1980 Ted Kennedy, we will lose the general and it will be disastrous.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
14. I agree it is not too late to successfully pivot to a message that puts a positive spotlight on her
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

own platform, but looking at the news today, that does not seem to be her focus.

All I hear from Clinton surrogates is "Sanders this" and "Sanders that" and, if she were wiser, we'd never be hearing Sanders' name uttered by her surrogates, and -- instead -- we'd be hearing "Hillary's proposal to do Z is the bomb because..."

The underdog probably has to offer some contrast with the favorite, but the favorite is better served ignoring the underdog. Clinton is campaigning like she's the underdog, and if she doesn't stop that, she will become the underdog.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
15. Yep. That whole Superdelegate tally and DWS / DNC debate thing are coming home to roost.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

.


Her hubris is what is doing her in. She wanted to take a commanding lead to show inevidibility and it backfired.


When she would ask Sanders zingers, she sat back with dumb smirks, telegraphing an "I got you now" teenager look.


I think your analysis on this is quite accurate!


.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. The problem with her campaign isn't Bernie - it's her - SHE is the problem.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

And no, I don't think she's going to figure that out this time, either. I may be wrong, who knows.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
11. Hope she's not booking any Rotary Clubs or Drive Thrus in the near future.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

The parallels to Jeb are starting to get scary.

But seriously, it's too late now. "Oh hey, I just figured out what you want to hear!" isn't as evocative as "I've said this for 40 years". Rather, it comes off as "PLEASE FOR F***'S SAKE JUST VOTE FOR ME DAMMIT!" leading into "...p-please?..."

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
12. I wonder if she even knows what her campaign is about.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

Why is she running? Because she wants to be president. Other than that, I have no idea what she intends other than muddling along in the same old, same old. Oh, but she gets to live in the White House again, so there's that.

Bernie, on the other hand, has a clearly defined purpose and message, with passion behind it, and it shows.

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