My gut reaction to this John Lewis stuff - projectile vomiting

[Jersey Devil]

You have to be a moron not to realize that Hillary's people are trying to bait Bernie supporters into criticizing John Lewis so that Bernie supporters can be pointed at as evil demons who hate black people. This is the most disgusting tactic I have ever witnessed in politics. I was on the fence until this caper but no longer. It is repulsive.

[TwilightGardener]

1. The Clintons make everything--and everybody--uglier in their campaign wake.

They lift nobody up, except themselves. They are scorched-earth. Which is why the thought of supporting her in any election is simply beyond me.

[artislife]

5. Don't they also call the wake "churn" ?

smh

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Why don't we listen to what John Lewis himself had to say?

<...>

Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the preeminent voice on civil rights in Congress, downplayed Sanders' involvement with the SNCC and the movement during the CBC PAC's press conference Thursday.

"I never saw him, I never met him. I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years -- 1963 to 1966," he said. "I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery. I directed the board of education project for six years. I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-lewis-bernie-sanders_us_56bcb50ae4b08ffac1241f55

[TwilightGardener]

3. That's been posted. And many of us will respectfully acknowledge his comments and move on.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. My point is that the comments are coming from John Lewis himself, not Hillary or her campaign

Let's take what John Lewis has to say and examine the comments in that context.

Trying to associate Hillary or her campaign with the comments makes no sense because Hillary and her campaign didn't make the comments.

[TwilightGardener]

10. I respectfully acknowledge his comments, and move on.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. I respectfully disagree about "moving on"

We need to have a discussion about Bernie and his priorities.

When Bernie discusses civil rights, he constantly pivots to income inequality. That's his main problem in my opinion.

Not everything is about income inequality. Dylan Roof didn't ask the 9 churchgoers in South Carolina about their yearly income before pulling the trigger.

[Gore1FL]

30. That would be a gun control issue n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

32. Bernie is pretty bad about that as well

He voted to give immunity to gun manufacturers.

He also voted against the Brady Bill 5 times.

[Gore1FL]

33. That would explain his D rating from the NRA.

Come back when you have something other than Clinton talking points to spew.

Thanks.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. The NRA will give anyone a poor rating if they don't vote to arm children.

Sorry.

The fact remains he voted to give immunity to gun manufacturers and he voted against the Brady bill 5 times.

[Gore1FL]

37. Apology accepted. n/t

[Unknown Beatle]

62. The fact remains that Hillary

voted for the war against Iraq, takes money from big banks and wall st., she lied about being shot at by snipers in Bosnia, Bush's consider her their sister-in-law, friends with war criminal Henry Kissinger, laughs about death, won't release her transcripts from Goldman Sachs (what is she trying to hide), lies about being progressive, she's accepted millions from foreign governments in quid pro quo deals, and on and on and on...

She has so much baggage she should buy the Samsonite company.

[IllinoisBrenel]

31. Civil rights!

Civil Rights and Income Equality are related! MLK was trying to help workers in Memphis when he was murdered! He often made references to the relationship between civil rights and income inequality! Bernie is doing the same thing!

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Bernie is doing the same thing. And has for decades.

[Bohemianwriter]

46. We need to have a discussion about Hillary and HER priorities...

Your straw men is anything but productive. You are creating a storm in a teacup.

Bernie has been a civil rights activist his entire adult life. Hillary has NOT!
Bernie doesn't take money from Wall Street, the arms industry, Big Pharma and the private prison industry. Hillary does, or have done so.
Bernie got 7.2 million dollars in 24 hours. From PEOPLE. Hillary went to a fund raiser in Mexico!


Bernie talks about institutional racism. That has sort of been his beef the last 50 years. When he gets confronted by angry protesters who wants to deny him his speaking rights, he let's them speak. When Hillary gets asked questions she don't like, or she don't like "their attitude" and says she would rather speak to white people (if they don't bow down and kiss her ring)...

The reason why I can never endorse Hillary is because I am a veteran. She has been a part of the hawkish insiders the last 20 years. And have made money out of it!

That alone is enough for me. And then we can ask ourselves how many black veterans who have ended on the street, in prison or dead after returning.
So let me ask you: Why should I as a veteran endorse Hillary when she is affiliated with the arms industry and taken their money? Why should any AA do the same?
From what I hear, the Iroquois endorses Bernie Sanders. If that is the case, it would be enough for me alone.

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. +1000000

[Bohemianwriter]

61. Thank you fan :-))

[virtualobserver]

8. there is no honor in diminishing the role that another person played in the same movement

Bernie's action came from the heart....from his deeply held beliefs.

[retrowire]

12. How does it feel?

To sit there at your computer, fists clenched, stamping your feet while exclaiming, "WHY WON'T THESE BERNIE SUPPORTERS ATTACK THIS CIVIL RIGHTS LEGEND!?? DRATS!!!"

XD

John Lewis is cool. His statement is weird, but it doesn't make him less deserving of the recognition he's achieved.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

17. JL does not know me

am I now suspect?

The way he showed his support For Hillary was low

[Skwmom]

4. No baiting required. They will just use fake Bernie supporters. n/t

[Jersey Devil]

11. This is part of the "kitchen sink" Bernie was talking about

Christ, wait until they get into the drain pipes if this opener is any indication of just how far and low they will go to get the nomination.

[notadmblnd]

25. I have a feeling that they won't stop at the drain pipes.

They're gonna go right on and dive into the septic tank in their desperation. I hope they don't skin their noses when they hit the bottom.

[restorefreedom]

6. i just hope tonights debate does not head down the sewer

then again, if she race baits bernie, the backlash will be uuuuuuge...

[NCTraveler]

9. A respectable answer from John Lewis to a reporter is the straw that broke the camels back for you.

Yeah. I'm sure.

[retrowire]

13. I don't see any broken backs, nt

[NCTraveler]

18. Very common phrase and spot on in this instance.

"I was on the fence until this caper but no longer."

[retrowire]

23. Well, I don't know that you're speaking for me...

*shrugs*

Do you like the Air Heads candy? I'm having watermelon right now.

[NCTraveler]

26. I'm not speaking for you at all.

My original reply was to the op, you got in. All good. It's a discussion board. Not sure what your comment here has to do with anything.

"Well, I don't know that you're speaking for me..."

I never attempted to.

[retrowire]

27. It doesn't have anything to do with OP.

I'm just enjoying candy right now, and thought I'd share that with you in this moment.

[Jersey Devil]

15. bullpoopy

You know damned will it has nothing to do with what Lewis said. It has everything to do with how what he said is being twisted.

[NCTraveler]

21. Twisted by whom? nt.

[Dem2]

22. Seems you're the one doing the twisting?

[jillan]

14. I have a feeling that John Lewis is caught in the middle of this wondering what the fuss is about.

All he said was he didn't meet Bernie during the civil rights movement.

[Iol59]

16. This is a complete set up

If you go on Twitter,the comments pop up saying that Bernie supporters are going after Lewis.Most popular link is to Blue nation.Media outfit bought by David Brock.These people are evil. I trust Bernies folks know this and will be ready tonight.

[questionseverything]

28. yes this has brock all over it

[Tarc]

20. John Lewis isn't some sort of green-thumbed rube, y'know

I find it a tad bit insulting when it is implied that he is somehow controlled or directed by the Clintons. IIRC, Lewis switched from Hillary to Obama in 2008.

[randys1]

51. Only a tad? I find it disgusting.

[Iggy Knorr]

24. yep can't believe we're here now.

[HooptieWagon]

29. The feces the Clinton's fling....

...also ends up on the people standing next to them. One might think people would wise up and keep the Clintons at arms length. But it's Pay To Play, baby, and everyone wants in on the action.

[Beacool]

35. So, let me get this straight.

Many of Sanders' supporters are having a meltdown because John Lewis smacked down Sanders and it's Hillary's fault?



I hope that you realize how insulting that is. Rep. Lewis. is no one's puppet. If he said what he said, it's because that's how he feels.

[kcr]

36. Well, are you projectile vomiting like the OP?

That's dedication.

[Beacool]

38. Nope, just laughing.

They fail to realize that the more they insult AA leaders who support Hillary, the more votes they will lose. People are not puppets and they have a right to support anyone they choose. For example, Harry Belafonte endorsed Sanders. That's OK, he has a right to endorse anyone he wishes. Why is that any different from people who endorsed Hillary? Why should they be insulted and treated with derision?

[kcr]

39. Seriously, I don't get the reaction for that reason

I can understand interpreting his response as an attack on Bernie even though I don't really read it that way, but the the over the top attacks on John Lewis are ridiculous. And I agree, pinning it on Hillary is an insult.

[Beacool]

40. It reminds me of the RW.

Even if remotely tangentially, they blame the Clintons for everything.

[Bohemianwriter]

49. We know who Hillary is a puppet for, don't we?

But at least Bernie was in Chicago.

Neither Hillary or Bill was.

They hang out with this crowd.



Somehow, I doubt that Bernie will ever be invited for dinner by Trump.

[Beacool]

50. Nope, keep trying.

[Bohemianwriter]

53. Have you donated any cash to her yet?

Or perhaps she has enough from that fund raiser in Mexico!
With that money, she can go and get one of those big foamy hands you get at sports games (do you know how much one of those costs at the stadium? (highway robbery I'm telling you, highway robbery) Once she has one of these foam hands, then she'll really be able to waggle her finger.

You know, the

You know people who have paid her millions in donations and speaking fees.

The people who gave you GREECE!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

Ever been to Greece? Worked there two years ago. The country was in a mess. Goldman Sachs had something to do with it.

As a veteran, I am so ready to see someone else than a Clinton or Bush in the WH. Money in politics is one of the major problems. Hillary doesn't offer any solutions. She is a part of that system!

[Nonhlanhla]

60. Don't you know?

EVERYTHING is Hillary's fault.

If Bernie's team steals data, it's Hillary's fault.

If Bernie's supporters lash out at African American supporters of Hillary Clinton, it's really Hillary's fault.

In both cases, so they tell us, Hillary set a (honey) trap for Bernie's people. Tempting them with her wiles, you know.

She is Eve, the one who ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and thereby threw humanity into darkness. She is "the devil’s gateway... the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree... the first deserter of the divine law... she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack." (Tertullian, 3rd century church father.)

That's why everything is Hillary's fault.

[dpatbrown]

41. Stab in the back

Like I wrote in another thread, 50 years of civil rights involvement, and now they are trying to discredit him. Stab in the back.

[jalan48]

42. All I needed to hear was that Hillary was taking money from Bain Capital.

The rest of this kind of stuff is meaningless.

[Omaha Steve]

43. I've not said a word against Congressman John Lewis

I do challenge what he said.

To ignore Bernie's documented work in civil rights and ignore what the Clintons have both done in the area... Congressman Lewis sure didn't see the Clintons there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-civil-rights/index.html

Washington (CNN)Democratic Rep. John Lewis on Thursday questioned the extent of Bernie Sanders' participation in the civil rights movement

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-civil-rights

on Thursday dismissed Sen. Bernie Sanders' participation in that movement.

OS


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026479495

[Half-Century Man]

44. At the time I'm sure Mr Lewis had more pressing issues

than to scope every crowd for skinned kids in glasses to memorize.

Can anyone reading this, list off the name of every participant of every meeting or gathering they have ever attended?

[Art_from_Ark]

48. Heck, I can't even remember the names of anyone in my group

who was protesting the Nestle infant formula scandal in the '70s

[PatrynXX]

45. My reaction was they have stooped that low as to USE John Lewis like a slave.

Now as I've told others while I'm on facebook and they assume I know something no I'm not psychic I have no idea if his memory is slipping. I know my dads memory is.. and he's gone full Trump. a Tea Party member thinks a rather on record liberal guy is gonna do what he says lol no he's gonna play a hillary say whatever to get elected and to the opposite. And John Lewis can take some criticizing. Now if it comes from non whites that'll mean alot more I guess. Although if the guy sitting next to MLK in an interview is Harry B and Harry B is going Bernie eh now it's getting silly. This would be like Will Smith boycotting the Oscars vs all the rest saying meh ignore him.

[randys1]

54. John Lewis is a slave with a bad memory?

[PatrynXX]

57. well yes if you wanna take it out of context .

Hillary used him like a slave and he seems to have a bad memory. seeing he only knew who the clintons were in 1988 onwards

[randys1]

59. Not at all out of context, and thanks for admitting that you said what you said.

amazing...simply amazing

[zappaman]

47. LOL!!!!

[joshcryer]

52. The host of the Bernie group had to push back.

Also an admin at the JPR hate site.

You know it's bad when the "supporters" have to go into damage control mode when a famous civil rights person speaks out.

The fucked up part? This defense of Lewis didn't happen when he endorsed, it's only happening now because SC is coming up.

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. The Clintons are repulsive.

[mythology]

63. Your contention is that John Lewis

a guy who got his skull fractured working for the right to vote and was unopposed by a Republican in 2014 and won by 68.8% (that is what he won by not his percentage of the vote) is either so beholden or afraid of Clinton that he would do what he's told?

Really? Off hand, I can think of any number of things more "digusting" in politics. For example fracturing somebody's skull to prevent them from voting.