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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:48 PM Feb 2016

It's a trap.

Clinton and her allies will do what they do. Right now they want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis. Let's not oblige them. Hillary Men and Brock are working on it.

It's up to Bernie to handle this. The best way to have his back is to not reflect poorly on him and his campaign.

I'm stepping back from this. I invite you to join me.

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It's a trap. (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
You are right cali. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #1
It was a big overreaction. Agschmid Feb 2016 #2
On whose part? artislife Feb 2016 #31
It appears to be everyone. Agschmid Feb 2016 #40
On this, we agree. :) nt artislife Feb 2016 #41
Everyone was caught up in the more hyperbolic headlines Gore1FL Feb 2016 #81
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #128
And that's exactly what Sanders should say rocktivity Feb 2016 #105
I was with you until the "race-baiting" part ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #145
Has he received the anonymous attacks online we have heard about..on twitter and all that? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #3
I'm sorry Jefferson, I'm confused as to what you're asking. cali Feb 2016 #5
Sorry, I was wondering if you meant that John Lewis has received attacks at his twitter and or Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #22
Doin' the old-time backstep... MineralMan Feb 2016 #4
What does that mean? cyberswede Feb 2016 #7
No, I haven't said anything untoward cali Feb 2016 #11
Indeed...it's an awkward step-to, though. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #100
Politely disagree ... Trajan Feb 2016 #6
Hey, as long as you're polite. retrowire Feb 2016 #29
"how daaarre they criticize jooohnn lewwwwis the heeeero they have sunk sooo looooow!!11" m-lekktor Feb 2016 #8
And I'll continue to call out bigotry when I see it Politicub Feb 2016 #147
Agreed. /I we help at all, it should be done with links to past news articles napi21 Feb 2016 #9
Bernie should say the truth: 'back in those days I was a supporter in ( Chicago?) and Congressman merbex Feb 2016 #10
Excellent. All that is needed is a simple statement of fact. senz Feb 2016 #18
+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #52
^^^ This is great ^^^^^ lark Feb 2016 #150
Correct the record where necessary, deal purely in fact, and then yeah...step away. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #12
Ironcally, Correct The Record is the slime machine behind this whole thing. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #54
Huh! Did not know that. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #55
Blue Nation Review, Brock's new media outlet, is blowing stories Fawke Em Feb 2016 #59
^^^ Read this ^^^ senz Feb 2016 #62
Ha --- There Was A Story On "Blue Nation Review" LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #80
Exactly! retrowire Feb 2016 #13
It's flame bait taken to another level. They are masters at it senz Feb 2016 #14
I'm with you and Nina on that one. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #15
Same Clinton bullshit, different election. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #16
Sanders was at a Congressional Black Caucus rally for Florida disenfranchisement-the ONLY white! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #17
He was the only white person? Agschmid Feb 2016 #26
Politician who spoke. Ran out of space. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #43
Yes! I've seen several photos of a younger Bernie the only white among AAs. senz Feb 2016 #28
LOL.. always looking for the conspiracy! DCBob Feb 2016 #19
No. This is obvious and basic political crap cali Feb 2016 #23
Nonsense. DCBob Feb 2016 #27
Not nonsense. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #63
Yes....They Were... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #82
If the Clintons had a rep for plain dealing we wouldn't need to. senz Feb 2016 #33
Can you blame us seeing who we are dealing with? Conspiring is exactly what rhett o rick Feb 2016 #111
Yes, John Lewis endorsing Clinton is "swift boating" zappaman Feb 2016 #119
LOL. Good to see you. I knew you were around. Keeping an eye out to help me out. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #120
don't be silly bigtree Feb 2016 #20
It would be good if all supporters of all the candidates remembered this. artislife Feb 2016 #37
That's what fascinates me, kiva Feb 2016 #46
The odd bone of Dreamers but not much else artislife Feb 2016 #51
Every time I look at population numbers, kiva Feb 2016 #56
Thank you thank you thank you! artislife Feb 2016 #64
It makes their lives simpler, kiva Feb 2016 #68
Yeah, it is a trap. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #66
Yes, that person making that statement was David Brock dressed and made up to look like Lewis. George II Feb 2016 #122
I think we can trust Bernie to handle this correctly. You're right. Punkingal Feb 2016 #21
Unfortunately the problem was with Mother Jones reporting. The headline read John Lewis SLAMS jillan Feb 2016 #24
This whole election cycle reads like a wrestling match. malokvale77 Feb 2016 #114
I agree in that it is a trap n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #25
People are attacking him? Must be false flaggers. nt valerief Feb 2016 #30
Exactly right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #32
Let's have a complete list of everyone Representative Lewis doesn't remember meeting. Vincardog Feb 2016 #34
LOL Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #132
Bernie is a gentleman dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #35
At the Pettus Bridge no less. Bernie must have photoshopped it. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #72
We Tweeted About This... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #86
How cool is that?! John Lewis has an identical twin who met Bernie! Awesome. n/t in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #99
K&R Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #36
It seems although Hillary figures if she's not the democratic nominee.... daleanime Feb 2016 #38
Precisely. This is Hillary Clinton. senz Feb 2016 #47
See 1972, where Humphrey and Tricky Dick are caught on tape yucking it up after KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #50
Yes, Working Class Zero has already posted our "attacks" on Jon Lewis. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #39
We do not know what pressures have been placed on Mr. Lewis. senz Feb 2016 #42
Actually I think this one requires Secretary Clinton to step up. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #44
She is dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #123
In other words. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #45
"Speaking words of wisdom, 'Let it Be.' " - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #48
The fake Bernie Supporters cannot be controlled. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #49
I posted a youtube clip of "It's a Trap" from Star Wars not long ago. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #53
Funny how no one trusts Mrs. Clinton. senz Feb 2016 #58
I trust her as much as I trust any politician. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #65
Puts you a distinct minority according to the polls. senz Feb 2016 #69
No one in the know would attack Representative Lewis. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #57
I'm wiht you on that. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #60
I agree 100%. myrna minx Feb 2016 #61
The good news is that most people aren't falling for the politics-as-usual antics of the Clintons. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #67
So it's Hillary's fault Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #70
BLM and their supporters got this it seems pinebox Feb 2016 #71
so it's bern down "the establishment" and replace them with ? bettyellen Feb 2016 #74
Replace them with a new establishment shawn703 Feb 2016 #83
Exactly pinebox! monicaangela Feb 2016 #141
Look At Bernie Sanders' Civil Rights Activism: 1960s-Present Milliesmom Feb 2016 #73
I cannot wait to watch the debate tonite. The previews have been spectacular! jillan Feb 2016 #75
Yes agree. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #76
yes. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #77
David Brock needs to get back to his roots. imo saidsimplesimon Feb 2016 #78
Oh dear me! I declare! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #79
I agree, cali. Duval Feb 2016 #84
No shit. It's sad how many people take the bait. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #85
Screw it. I'm sick of walking on eggs Armstead Feb 2016 #90
What are you gonna say now that you're not walking on eggshells? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #97
Pretty much what I've always said Armstead Feb 2016 #102
Please proceed, poster Politicub Feb 2016 #148
Noyt much different than what I've been posting all along Armstead Feb 2016 #149
No one wants to see anyone attack Bernie though dorkzilla Feb 2016 #112
I don't think it's a trap. It's a broadside rallying people to be anti-Sanders. HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #87
I would never attack Lewis! d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #88
Naw....Too many damn Sacred Cows and "This is off limits" in this stupid election Armstead Feb 2016 #89
Of course Cali, Mbrow Feb 2016 #91
What an astonishing assertion. If this is a "trap" it is one of your own devising. Hekate Feb 2016 #92
Let them sling. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #93
HAHAHAHAHA!!! So you're implying that Sanders supporters are.... George II Feb 2016 #94
Yes, all the attacks on Sybrina Fulton, PP, the Human Rights Council BainsBane Feb 2016 #95
You're very wise. PWPippin Feb 2016 #96
I Am Sure Lewis And The Clintons Are Friends scottie55 Feb 2016 #98
Aye! MynameisBlarney Feb 2016 #101
Yeah. I've never engaged on bashing his opposition lunatica Feb 2016 #103
You're right.. In the end it's simply an endorsement... raindaddy Feb 2016 #104
Rush limbaugh loves hillary bashing. You folks are giving him material for his show free of charge! dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #106
Right, its OUR fault that Limbaugh bashes people dorkzilla Feb 2016 #113
You sound really concerned! Change has come Feb 2016 #125
Thank you @cali Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #107
She's running a campaign of division and negativity; he's running a campaign of unity and positivity Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #108
This is actually a good idea bravenak Feb 2016 #109
Yeah, sure, it's a trap. Beacool Feb 2016 #110
Admire John Lewis greatly. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #115
+1 Matariki Feb 2016 #131
I don't even know what happened, but I read an OP that said it made them support Bernie! cui bono Feb 2016 #116
OMG thank you thank you NastyRiffraff Feb 2016 #117
WTF??? zappaman Feb 2016 #118
Right! Those who said terrible things about an American hero can't possible be responsible for their Squinch Feb 2016 #121
It's not a trap, but you offered some great advice ecstatic Feb 2016 #124
Division tactics, pure and simple. Jackilope Feb 2016 #126
Absolutely. And every problem contains... lostnfound Feb 2016 #127
OK, I'll defer to your judgment. sammythecat Feb 2016 #129
Bernie chose to run for president. Or did Hillary make him do that also? MoonRiver Feb 2016 #142
I have the greatest amount of respect for Representative Lewis Matariki Feb 2016 #130
I refuse to answer any racially motivated posts anymore. They are disgusting and they are a trap. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #133
This is my response. SusanLarson Feb 2016 #134
Kicked and recommended to the Max! That much is perfectly obvious. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #135
Smart people avoid this particular bit Android3.14 Feb 2016 #136
You are so right! aintitfunny Feb 2016 #137
Bernie's not going to attack Lewis. LWolf Feb 2016 #138
I voting for Bernie. But I'd vote for John Lewis, too. I've never heard John Lewis speak that it ... marble falls Feb 2016 #139
I’m going to leave it be. zomgitsjesus Feb 2016 #140
It's a trap with two doors Babel_17 Feb 2016 #143
John Lewis' Endorsement. Cheviteau Feb 2016 #144
No disrespect to John Lewis, or to anyone else Voice for Peace Feb 2016 #146
I understand your point, but reasoned and polite and respectful disagreement with him is totodeinhere Feb 2016 #151
I'm in. Good call, cali. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #152

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
81. Everyone was caught up in the more hyperbolic headlines
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think they matched the story that few read.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
105. And that's exactly what Sanders should say
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

"Lewis doesn't recall meeting me? Of course that doesn't prove I wasn't there, and it certainly doesn't mean that he was accusing me of not being there. Is everyone that desperate to try race-baiting just before the South Carolina primary? EVERYBODY'S OVERREACTING."


rocktivity

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
22. Sorry, I was wondering if you meant that John Lewis has received attacks at his twitter and or
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

facebook pages. I did not see attacks on the OP here, thus my question but I do agree it could very
well be a trap and to be careful.

People are more disappointed than anything, I guess I don't see that as throwing him
under the bus..but just instead recognition of what it is...a veiled hit on Bernie's
character.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. No, I haven't said anything untoward
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

You on the other hand have claimed that Bernie is proposing trickle down economics.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
6. Politely disagree ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

Then move past to what Bernie (Not me US!) intends to do ....

The favorable policies promoted by Bernie speak for themselves ...

There is nothing to apologize for .... not a single thing ...

Politely disagree with Lewis, then move on ... People disagree on stuff ... Bernie's record speaks for itself ...

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
29. Hey, as long as you're polite.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

But as soon as Bernie supporters start making accusations against him, it'll be misconstrued beyond belief.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
8. "how daaarre they criticize jooohnn lewwwwis the heeeero they have sunk sooo looooow!!11"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

yeah they are wailing and screeching pretty loud here on DU. you are correct. I will try to refrain.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
147. And I'll continue to call out bigotry when I see it
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

Whether it's attacks on Lewis, planned parenthood, the HRC and other progressives and progressive orgs.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
9. Agreed. /I we help at all, it should be done with links to past news articles
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

that prove Rep. Lewis' short comment wrong, then let it go. I'm sure there will be many more statements made tonight that will earn refute too.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
10. Bernie should say the truth: 'back in those days I was a supporter in ( Chicago?) and Congressman
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

Lewis is correct. I did not know him until I came to Congress( or actual time).'

The truth never gets anyone into trouble.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
59. Blue Nation Review, Brock's new media outlet, is blowing stories
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

out of proportion saying the Bernie Bros are attacking Lewis.

They aren't. I've seen a few AAs question what he said, but most of the comments have been more on the lines of, "So what? Lewis couldn't have known every volunteer."

Brock is trying to blow this waaaayyyy out of proportion.

Best thing to do is take to social media and calm the younger crowd down. They probably aren't aware of Brock's ability to smear.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
80. Ha --- There Was A Story On "Blue Nation Review"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

Within Minutes of Lewis' so-called comments. Interesting:

http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/

Got It Now. Blue Nation Review Is A David Brock Rag. Got It.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
13. Exactly!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

I definitely see it for what it is. This is supposed to be another "look at how the white Bernie supporters handle BLM" situation.

I'm staying out of it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
14. It's flame bait taken to another level. They are masters at it
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

because they know they cannot win by honorable means.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
17. Sanders was at a Congressional Black Caucus rally for Florida disenfranchisement-the ONLY white!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

.


Perhaps Lewis wasn't there that day, out in front of the Capital building.


.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
28. Yes! I've seen several photos of a younger Bernie the only white among AAs.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

He's always been an advocate for PoC. It comes naturally for him.

Hillary has no history of advocating for PoC.

It's plain as day.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
63. Not nonsense.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:26 PM
Feb 2016

David Brock's new media outlet was the first out of the gate with some blow-out-of-proportion story.

It's obvious Brock-style baiting.

Most on Twitter aren't taking the bait and us older Bernie supporters are calming the younger ones down and telling them not to take it, either.

It's already diffused.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
82. Yes....They Were...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

In SECTIONS of Lewis' comments. Fawke Em -- You called it RIGHT ON POINT and We Are CALLING Brock and his "Blue Nation Review" Out Tonight on our Podcast.

http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/

Freaking Slimeball Former Republican A-Hole -- David Brock That Is.

Thanks for the information.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
33. If the Clintons had a rep for plain dealing we wouldn't need to.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

But we don't have any illusions about them.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. Can you blame us seeing who we are dealing with? Conspiring is exactly what
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

the billionaires pay good money for. Dirty tricks, shenanigans, and Swift-Boating are expected from those with so much money they don't like to lose.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
120. LOL. Good to see you. I knew you were around. Keeping an eye out to help me out.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

And the emoticons are cute.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
20. don't be silly
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

...it's not a trap.

It does seem to be a challenge for some, though.

Your post reminds of the statement Deray McKesson initially made in Ferguson:


 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
37. It would be good if all supporters of all the candidates remembered this.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

As a Latina, this has been a very interesting thing to watch from the sidelines.

I will remind everyone that it is not just a Black and White world only.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
46. That's what fascinates me,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

the whole focus on black and white. I'm in Nevada, a state with a large Hispanic population, so we've heard more on Hispanic voters but nationwide I'm rarely seeing that discussion.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
51. The odd bone of Dreamers but not much else
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe because our voter turnout is pretty abysmal for the most part and we are also fighting the meme that most of us are illegal. That is a burden not shared by other minorities in this country.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
56. Every time I look at population numbers,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

I'm amazed that there's not more focus on Hispanic voters. I know that the issue of citizenship prevents some people from voting, but there is still a large bloc of voters who are largely being ignored, which may be the reason for lower turnout. I am getting a lot of contacts about an event tomorrow in Las Vegas, so I'm hoping that (at least here) the turnout improves.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
64. Thank you thank you thank you!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:26 PM
Feb 2016

We are a large group of legal citizens but the nation as a whole think only about immigration and what side they stand on it.

There is a lot more to discuss, but TPTB like the one issue talking point.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
68. It makes their lives simpler,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

no complex nuances to consider.

I'm off to work so no more DU for now, but please consider posting more about this issue as an OP.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
66. Yeah, it is a trap.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

But not from Lewis.

David Brock is seizing up this to piss people off.

Us older, calmer Bernie supporters are calming down the younger ones who aren't aware Brock is baiting them. It's spreading.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
24. Unfortunately the problem was with Mother Jones reporting. The headline read John Lewis SLAMS
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie when Congressman Lewis said no such thing.



I think that's what is causing the uproar. People only read the headline, not the story.

You're right, it is a trap.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
114. This whole election cycle reads like a wrestling match.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:05 PM
Feb 2016

slams
bashes
attacks
crushes
smashes

I'm waiting for drop kicks and choke hold.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
32. Exactly right.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis is a good and decent man. (I can't say the same for everyone running Clinton's campaign.) This is absolutely a attempt at a cheap trick.

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
35. Bernie is a gentleman
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

he will not stoop to the Clinton's level.

Here is a lovely picture of Bernie, Jane and someone who must not be John Lewis
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/99571841737795329/

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
38. It seems although Hillary figures if she's not the democratic nominee....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

then it doesn't matter what kind of chance the democrats have this fall.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. Precisely. This is Hillary Clinton.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

Although if she loses, Bill will probably try to get her to at least go through the motions of doing the right thing. Remember, she stayed in hissing, spitting mode with Obama for a few days before putting on a better face. But I don't think she's ever forgiven him.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
39. Yes, Working Class Zero has already posted our "attacks" on Jon Lewis.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

Artful smear lessons from HRC.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. We do not know what pressures have been placed on Mr. Lewis.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

D.C. is the arm-twisting capital of the world.

KentuckyWoman

(6,687 posts)
44. Actually I think this one requires Secretary Clinton to step up.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

I mean that sincerely. I believe most people can see that either Mr. Lewis is misquoted, didn't make himself clear, or simply had a bad day. They aren't going to make a decision on Bernie Sanders based on this. Unfortunately people are chalking this up to Hillary going low to a contemptible level. If she isn't then it's in her best interest to speak up and distance herself from this kind of race-baiting.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
123. She is
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

"Unfortunately people are chalking this up to Hillary going low to a contemptible level. If she isn't then it's in her best interest to speak up and distance herself from this kind of race-baiting. "

going low to a contemptible level.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
53. I posted a youtube clip of "It's a Trap" from Star Wars not long ago.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

I was joking that Sanders supporters were going there. lol. Guess I was dead on once again.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
65. I trust her as much as I trust any politician.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:26 PM
Feb 2016

Funny how absolute comments on non-absolute issues often look. lol.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
69. Puts you a distinct minority according to the polls.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

Guess she's hoping her surrogates doing the dirty work might help with that.

Doubtful.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
57. No one in the know would attack Representative Lewis.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

His creds are beyond reproach. Disagree with him on this issue? Yep. But you don't throw a 40-year history of fighting the Good Fight down the tubes because of one area of disagreement.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
67. The good news is that most people aren't falling for the politics-as-usual antics of the Clintons.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

I find this whole dueling endorsements routine rather ridiculous.

I'm an educated adult who manages to have his own opinions without the help singers, actors, politicians, basket ball players, welders, or cartoon characters.

John Lewis is a good, decent, guy who endorsed Hillary for whatever reason he finds appropriate.

His opinion.

My opinion differs from his.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
70. So it's Hillary's fault
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

if Bernie supporters attack John Lewis?

Like it was her fault when Bernie's campaign people stole data from her?

Wow, she is devious. Think what she can make the Republicans do if she can do this to Bernie's people!?

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
71. BLM and their supporters got this it seems
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

As Benjamin Dixon & Shaun King just said on Twitter;



 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. so it's bern down "the establishment" and replace them with ?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

is this like voting for Trump just to "fuck up DC"?

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
141. Exactly pinebox!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:42 AM
Feb 2016

BLM is correct...the common man has suffered albeit in a different manner, but just as much if not more. We have no deities in the AA community. We have many people who have been struggling for generations to educate the rest of the population regarding the horrible face of racism. Many have been beaten, just as many if not more have died, those that have survived are respected, but not worshipped. Thank you for this wonderful comment. I agree wholeheartedly with what you are expressing.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
75. I cannot wait to watch the debate tonite. The previews have been spectacular!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:11 PM
Feb 2016


My debit card is out and ready & I have a feeling Bernie supporters will be crashing the server at Act Blue once again.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
78. David Brock needs to get back to his roots. imo
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

It's possible, most likely, David may be in my gene pool.

I hope he finds his roots before he takes a deep dive off the cliff.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
85. No shit. It's sad how many people take the bait.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

They have the narrative already established.

We are under attack so we have to close ranks and defend Hillary. Whether it be women or people of color. That's the narrative, and the MSM is cooperating in repeating it. And sadly alot of Bernie supporters do take the bait.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
90. Screw it. I'm sick of walking on eggs
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

I think that's part of the strategy. Make it uncomfortable to say anything critical about Clinton and her campaign.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
102. Pretty much what I've always said
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

It's not like I'm hiding some monstrous thoughts worse than I usually post.

But too often in this campaign legitimate sensitivities are being misused for opportunistic political purposes,and I'm not gonna kowtow to that.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
149. Noyt much different than what I've been posting all along
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

But I'm not going to feel guilty about it

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
112. No one wants to see anyone attack Bernie though
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

for the same reasons no one wants to see anyone attack Lewis. And Brock and his ilk know its an easy task to get people to defend someone who has spent his entire life defending other people.

Its pure evil genius on the part of the Clinton campaign.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
88. I would never attack Lewis!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

He's a national treasure and a hero! I'm just heart broken and in shock, that's all.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
89. Naw....Too many damn Sacred Cows and "This is off limits" in this stupid election
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

I think making people walk on eggs is part of the Clinton strategy

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
91. Of course Cali,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

thanks for the heads up. I've been off line for a few hours ( I'm expected to work once in a while) so I'll go see what the fuss is about.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
92. What an astonishing assertion. If this is a "trap" it is one of your own devising.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016

However I do appreciate your urging others to "step back" and let "Bernie handle this." Thank you for that call to elementary civility,



JURY: This is GDP. The OP is making the claim that QUOTE GIST: "Clinton and her allies.... want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis."
(QUOTE IN FULL: "Clinton and her allies will do what they do. Right now they want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis. Let's not oblige them. Hillary Men and Brock are working on it."

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
93. Let them sling.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016

He's had AA supporters on TeeVee all day long defending him vociferously, so whatever shit they throw will be answered by the best people to answer it, Bernie's AA supporters.

Have at it people.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. HAHAHAHAHA!!! So you're implying that Sanders supporters are....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

....falling for a so-called "trap" Set by Clinton's campaign ("Hillary Men", not women?) to get Sanders supporters to attack John Lewis?

All the attacks on John Lewis that I've seen here and elsewhere were directly in response to John Lewis' statement itself.

So I guess John Lewis is in on the plot?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
95. Yes, all the attacks on Sybrina Fulton, PP, the Human Rights Council
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

NARAL, and John Lewis when he first endorsed Clinton were all the doing of Hillary Clinton who through the ether forced Bernie supporters to do what they do every time ANYONE fails to endorse their hero or dares to criticize him. Clinton is so powerful she controls the minds and personalities of Bernie supporters.

Give me a fucking break. Everything is a conspiracy and Bernie supporters are never responsible for anything, including their own actions.


Note: No one needs to post a thread telling Clinton supporters not to "take the bait" and attack a Civil Rights hero or anyone else. It isn't what they do because it simply isn't who they are.

PWPippin

(213 posts)
96. You're very wise.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

I have stepped back and am breathing again. Convinced my husband to do the same. Thanks

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
104. You're right.. In the end it's simply an endorsement...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure Harry Belafonte never saw the Clintons at civil rights events either...

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
107. Thank you @cali
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

its political trap and Sanders supporters should let it blow up in HRC supporters face

1. Just allow HRCs supporters to fail

2. There are going to be barrage of smears for the next few months

3. If you see something negative about Sen. Sanders just block the person or just simply do not reply

4. just spread Sen. Sanders in a positive manner

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
108. She's running a campaign of division and negativity; he's running a campaign of unity and positivity
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

How does she not see that she's blowing it?

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
110. Yeah, sure, it's a trap.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

It's Hillary and her supporters' fault that Sanders' supporters are having a fit because John Lewis endorsed Hillary.







 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
115. Admire John Lewis greatly.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

I'm disappointed and disillusioned with what he said, but that's life. This won't negate anything he's ever done and it won't negate the things that Bernie has stood for his entire life.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
117. OMG thank you thank you
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

For the laughs from this thread. A sincere thank you to the few Sanders supporters who rejected the very silly idea of a conspiracy, but the rest of you were really, really funny!

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
121. Right! Those who said terrible things about an American hero can't possible be responsible for their
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

own actions! It's a conspiracy!

By Hillary men. (Not sure where the women are in your mind. Stirring the cauldron perhaps?)

This OP is disturbing and hilarious, all at once.

ecstatic

(32,710 posts)
124. It's not a trap, but you offered some great advice
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie supporters are way too emotional and reactionary (hence the BernieBros meme). Calm down. Stop going nuts after every Hillary endorsement. Take some time to observe.

lostnfound

(16,183 posts)
127. Absolutely. And every problem contains...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

The seeds of its own solution.

AA leaders who disagree will speak out for themselves.

And people like Rep. Lewis deserve our respect for the whole of his lifetime. Don't want to judge the man because he supports a different candidate than I do.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
129. OK, I'll defer to your judgment.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:41 AM
Feb 2016

I always like your posts and you're probably right on this, although the things I heard said today, the horrible, completely unjust insinuations against Bernie Sanders were absolutely infuriating. Why would they do that to this man? I really don't get it. It makes me so mad I wouldn't be able to make an intelligible argument anyway.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
142. Bernie chose to run for president. Or did Hillary make him do that also?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

Anyway, attacks are part of what happens when one runs for the most powerful position in the world. Kind of goes with the territory. Just ask Hillary.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
130. I have the greatest amount of respect for Representative Lewis
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:46 AM
Feb 2016

definitely stepping back from this.

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
134. This is my response.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:44 AM
Feb 2016

I hate to say it, but Mr Lewis has already made clear exactly where his loyalties lay. He is either being forgetful or outright dishonest to support his candidate of choice.

Bernie Sander's record in Civil rights is just as unquestionable as Mr Lewis' is. Does Mr Lewis suggest that he intimately remembers everyone involved in the civil rights movement.

"The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), as an organization, began with an $800.00 grant from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) for a conference attended by 126 student delegates from 58 sit-in centers in 12 states, along with delegates from 19 northern colleges, the SCLC, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR), National Student Association (NSA), and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). Out of this conference the SNCC was formed."

Bernie Sanders was an activist and the group's president for the Congress for Racial Equality in Chicago, and would have likely been directly involved in the formation of the SNCC.



Mr Lewis also claimed to see Hillary and Bill Clinton taking part in civil rights protests, yet at this time Hillary was still supporting Barry Goldwater in his campaign; and there has never been any suggestion Bill took part in the civil rights movement. One of Barry Goldwater's primary goals was to rollback the Civil Rights act, and re-legalize segregation. Lewis said when interviewed in the Book Conversations: William Jefferson Clinton : from Hope to Harlem. That he didn't hear about Bill Clinton until the 1970's wasn't introduced until 1991.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
136. Smart people avoid this particular bit
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:51 AM
Feb 2016

This has been my only post on the matter. Just let it sink.

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
139. I voting for Bernie. But I'd vote for John Lewis, too. I've never heard John Lewis speak that it ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

did not make me smarter.

zomgitsjesus

(40 posts)
140. I’m going to leave it be.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:33 AM
Feb 2016

He’s a good man and is entitled to say whatever he wants, just like we are.

I didn’t agree with my father politically but I still think he was a very good man.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
143. It's a trap with two doors
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

Saying "look at how the comment dismissing Sanders involvement was attacked" invites people to look at three things; what was actually said, what the response was, and now what's claimed about the response.

Afaik it's the Clinton/Brock camp that yet again comes off looking tawdry. The media has been aware of Brock being up to his old tricks for a while. Minimizing Sanders record is an uphill battle because it's been of a known quantity and quality for decades.

That the Clinton campaign engages in sleazy tactics using falsehoods has also been known for a long time. It did so against Obama in 2008.

And maybe, at the end of the day, that's the summary we remind me people of. That it's just the Clinton campaign stuck in time, deploying the same, tired, sleazy, tactics that they used against President Obama.

That's what this is about, once again the Clinton campaign shamelessly attempts to rewrite history.

P.S. Release the transcripts. That's some history that actually needs exploring.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
144. John Lewis' Endorsement.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis can endorse whomever he wishes. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is his implication that Sanders was not on the front line of the 60s civil rights movement. He did this by claiming that he never met Sanders in all his own activities in that period. One can read this as a claim by Lewis that Sanders wasn't there working for the same cause. Lewis forgets that if it weren't for people like Sanders he (Lewis) wouldn't be in the position he's in today to make such a seemingly important endorsement. Strange that he didn't mention the fact that he didn't see Mr. or Mrs. Clinton on those front lines either. "I don't know him!! I've never seen him !!" cried Peter. My respect for John Lewis is somewhat diminished this morning.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
146. No disrespect to John Lewis, or to anyone else
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

He is a person, a human being., Many have heard his life story, and it's powerful.

Because of that life story, some of us fear offending his reputation, or our own, or Bernie's. Well and good, probably wise choice.
I started thinking about Sen McCain, another familiar story of courage, wounds, integrity, self-sacrifice, politics, hard choices, compromises, reputations, decisions, allies. Who really knows anything about anyone?

If there are 7 billion points of light there are also seven billion points of view. None of them are wrong but no two are the same.

My line is drawn at "do no harm" and at this point people who denigrate Bernie, as part of the Clinton scorched earth campaign, are doing harm, I don't care what race or story or past acts of courage.

I believe there will be many, just as courageous, who will step up: today, now, here, for honesty and fairness.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
151. I understand your point, but reasoned and polite and respectful disagreement with him is
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

perfectly acceptable IMO.

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