2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's a trap.
Clinton and her allies will do what they do. Right now they want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis. Let's not oblige them. Hillary Men and Brock are working on it.
It's up to Bernie to handle this. The best way to have his back is to not reflect poorly on him and his campaign.
I'm stepping back from this. I invite you to join me.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I don't think they matched the story that few read.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)"Lewis doesn't recall meeting me? Of course that doesn't prove I wasn't there, and it certainly doesn't mean that he was accusing me of not being there. Is everyone that desperate to try race-baiting just before the South Carolina primary? EVERYBODY'S OVERREACTING."
rocktivity
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Sanders would be advised to leave that part out.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)facebook pages. I did not see attacks on the OP here, thus my question but I do agree it could very
well be a trap and to be careful.
People are more disappointed than anything, I guess I don't see that as throwing him
under the bus..but just instead recognition of what it is...a veiled hit on Bernie's
character.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Lots of that going on, it seems.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)You on the other hand have claimed that Bernie is proposing trickle down economics.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Then move past to what Bernie (Not me US!) intends to do ....
The favorable policies promoted by Bernie speak for themselves ...
There is nothing to apologize for .... not a single thing ...
Politely disagree with Lewis, then move on ... People disagree on stuff ... Bernie's record speaks for itself ...
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But as soon as Bernie supporters start making accusations against him, it'll be misconstrued beyond belief.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)yeah they are wailing and screeching pretty loud here on DU. you are correct. I will try to refrain.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Whether it's attacks on Lewis, planned parenthood, the HRC and other progressives and progressive orgs.
napi21
(45,806 posts)that prove Rep. Lewis' short comment wrong, then let it go. I'm sure there will be many more statements made tonight that will earn refute too.
merbex
(3,123 posts)Lewis is correct. I did not know him until I came to Congress( or actual time).'
The truth never gets anyone into trouble.
senz
(11,945 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)lark
(23,105 posts)That's a perfect response.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)out of proportion saying the Bernie Bros are attacking Lewis.
They aren't. I've seen a few AAs question what he said, but most of the comments have been more on the lines of, "So what? Lewis couldn't have known every volunteer."
Brock is trying to blow this waaaayyyy out of proportion.
Best thing to do is take to social media and calm the younger crowd down. They probably aren't aware of Brock's ability to smear.
senz
(11,945 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Within Minutes of Lewis' so-called comments. Interesting:
http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/
Got It Now. Blue Nation Review Is A David Brock Rag. Got It.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I definitely see it for what it is. This is supposed to be another "look at how the white Bernie supporters handle BLM" situation.
I'm staying out of it.
senz
(11,945 posts)because they know they cannot win by honorable means.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Perhaps Lewis wasn't there that day, out in front of the Capital building.
.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)You sure about that?
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He's always been an advocate for PoC. It comes naturally for him.
Hillary has no history of advocating for PoC.
It's plain as day.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)David Brock's new media outlet was the first out of the gate with some blow-out-of-proportion story.
It's obvious Brock-style baiting.
Most on Twitter aren't taking the bait and us older Bernie supporters are calming the younger ones down and telling them not to take it, either.
It's already diffused.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)In SECTIONS of Lewis' comments. Fawke Em -- You called it RIGHT ON POINT and We Are CALLING Brock and his "Blue Nation Review" Out Tonight on our Podcast.
http://bluenationreview.com/civil-rights-legend-john-lewis-trolled-by-bernie-supporters/
Freaking Slimeball Former Republican A-Hole -- David Brock That Is.
Thanks for the information.
senz
(11,945 posts)But we don't have any illusions about them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the billionaires pay good money for. Dirty tricks, shenanigans, and Swift-Boating are expected from those with so much money they don't like to lose.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And the emoticons are cute.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...it's not a trap.
It does seem to be a challenge for some, though.
Your post reminds of the statement Deray McKesson initially made in Ferguson:
artislife
(9,497 posts)As a Latina, this has been a very interesting thing to watch from the sidelines.
I will remind everyone that it is not just a Black and White world only.
kiva
(4,373 posts)the whole focus on black and white. I'm in Nevada, a state with a large Hispanic population, so we've heard more on Hispanic voters but nationwide I'm rarely seeing that discussion.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Maybe because our voter turnout is pretty abysmal for the most part and we are also fighting the meme that most of us are illegal. That is a burden not shared by other minorities in this country.
kiva
(4,373 posts)I'm amazed that there's not more focus on Hispanic voters. I know that the issue of citizenship prevents some people from voting, but there is still a large bloc of voters who are largely being ignored, which may be the reason for lower turnout. I am getting a lot of contacts about an event tomorrow in Las Vegas, so I'm hoping that (at least here) the turnout improves.
artislife
(9,497 posts)We are a large group of legal citizens but the nation as a whole think only about immigration and what side they stand on it.
There is a lot more to discuss, but TPTB like the one issue talking point.
kiva
(4,373 posts)no complex nuances to consider.
I'm off to work so no more DU for now, but please consider posting more about this issue as an OP.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But not from Lewis.
David Brock is seizing up this to piss people off.
Us older, calmer Bernie supporters are calming down the younger ones who aren't aware Brock is baiting them. It's spreading.
George II
(67,782 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Bernie when Congressman Lewis said no such thing.
I think that's what is causing the uproar. People only read the headline, not the story.
You're right, it is a trap.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)slams
bashes
attacks
crushes
smashes
I'm waiting for drop kicks and choke hold.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)John Lewis is a good and decent man. (I can't say the same for everyone running Clinton's campaign.) This is absolutely a attempt at a cheap trick.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)dragonfly301
(399 posts)he will not stoop to the Clinton's level.
Here is a lovely picture of Bernie, Jane and someone who must not be John Lewis
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/99571841737795329/
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Just in case it's needed...
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And that tweet is getting a little traction:
https://twitter.com/IUNewsTalk/status/697877346754433030
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)then it doesn't matter what kind of chance the democrats have this fall.
senz
(11,945 posts)Although if she loses, Bill will probably try to get her to at least go through the motions of doing the right thing. Remember, she stayed in hissing, spitting mode with Obama for a few days before putting on a better face. But I don't think she's ever forgiven him.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)McGovern's defeat.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Artful smear lessons from HRC.
senz
(11,945 posts)D.C. is the arm-twisting capital of the world.
KentuckyWoman
(6,687 posts)I mean that sincerely. I believe most people can see that either Mr. Lewis is misquoted, didn't make himself clear, or simply had a bad day. They aren't going to make a decision on Bernie Sanders based on this. Unfortunately people are chalking this up to Hillary going low to a contemptible level. If she isn't then it's in her best interest to speak up and distance herself from this kind of race-baiting.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)"Unfortunately people are chalking this up to Hillary going low to a contemptible level. If she isn't then it's in her best interest to speak up and distance herself from this kind of race-baiting. "
going low to a contemptible level.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Don't take the bait!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I was joking that Sanders supporters were going there. lol. Guess I was dead on once again.
senz
(11,945 posts)I can't imagine why.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Funny how absolute comments on non-absolute issues often look. lol.
senz
(11,945 posts)Guess she's hoping her surrogates doing the dirty work might help with that.
Doubtful.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)His creds are beyond reproach. Disagree with him on this issue? Yep. But you don't throw a 40-year history of fighting the Good Fight down the tubes because of one area of disagreement.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I find this whole dueling endorsements routine rather ridiculous.
I'm an educated adult who manages to have his own opinions without the help singers, actors, politicians, basket ball players, welders, or cartoon characters.
John Lewis is a good, decent, guy who endorsed Hillary for whatever reason he finds appropriate.
His opinion.
My opinion differs from his.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)if Bernie supporters attack John Lewis?
Like it was her fault when Bernie's campaign people stole data from her?
Wow, she is devious. Think what she can make the Republicans do if she can do this to Bernie's people!?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)As Benjamin Dixon & Shaun King just said on Twitter;
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)is this like voting for Trump just to "fuck up DC"?
shawn703
(2,702 posts)One beholden to the people rather than corporate interests.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)BLM is correct...the common man has suffered albeit in a different manner, but just as much if not more. We have no deities in the AA community. We have many people who have been struggling for generations to educate the rest of the population regarding the horrible face of racism. Many have been beaten, just as many if not more have died, those that have survived are respected, but not worshipped. Thank you for this wonderful comment. I agree wholeheartedly with what you are expressing.
Milliesmom
(493 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)My debit card is out and ready & I have a feeling Bernie supporters will be crashing the server at Act Blue once again.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)It's possible, most likely, David may be in my gene pool.
I hope he finds his roots before he takes a deep dive off the cliff.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They have the narrative already established.
We are under attack so we have to close ranks and defend Hillary. Whether it be women or people of color. That's the narrative, and the MSM is cooperating in repeating it. And sadly alot of Bernie supporters do take the bait.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I think that's part of the strategy. Make it uncomfortable to say anything critical about Clinton and her campaign.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's not like I'm hiding some monstrous thoughts worse than I usually post.
But too often in this campaign legitimate sensitivities are being misused for opportunistic political purposes,and I'm not gonna kowtow to that.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Let it rip. We're waiting.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I'm not going to feel guilty about it
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)for the same reasons no one wants to see anyone attack Lewis. And Brock and his ilk know its an easy task to get people to defend someone who has spent his entire life defending other people.
Its pure evil genius on the part of the Clinton campaign.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)He's a national treasure and a hero! I'm just heart broken and in shock, that's all.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I think making people walk on eggs is part of the Clinton strategy
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)thanks for the heads up. I've been off line for a few hours ( I'm expected to work once in a while) so I'll go see what the fuss is about.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)However I do appreciate your urging others to "step back" and let "Bernie handle this." Thank you for that call to elementary civility,
JURY: This is GDP. The OP is making the claim that QUOTE GIST: "Clinton and her allies.... want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis."
(QUOTE IN FULL: "Clinton and her allies will do what they do. Right now they want Sanders supporters to attack Representative Lewis. Let's not oblige them. Hillary Men and Brock are working on it."
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)He's had AA supporters on TeeVee all day long defending him vociferously, so whatever shit they throw will be answered by the best people to answer it, Bernie's AA supporters.
Have at it people.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
George II
(67,782 posts)....falling for a so-called "trap" Set by Clinton's campaign ("Hillary Men", not women?) to get Sanders supporters to attack John Lewis?
All the attacks on John Lewis that I've seen here and elsewhere were directly in response to John Lewis' statement itself.
So I guess John Lewis is in on the plot?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)NARAL, and John Lewis when he first endorsed Clinton were all the doing of Hillary Clinton who through the ether forced Bernie supporters to do what they do every time ANYONE fails to endorse their hero or dares to criticize him. Clinton is so powerful she controls the minds and personalities of Bernie supporters.
Give me a fucking break. Everything is a conspiracy and Bernie supporters are never responsible for anything, including their own actions.
Note: No one needs to post a thread telling Clinton supporters not to "take the bait" and attack a Civil Rights hero or anyone else. It isn't what they do because it simply isn't who they are.
PWPippin
(213 posts)I have stepped back and am breathing again. Convinced my husband to do the same. Thanks
scottie55
(1,400 posts)That may mean a lot.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Seconded!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)I'm sure Harry Belafonte never saw the Clintons at civil rights events either...
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhttttt.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)I didn't realize anybody gave a fuck about Limbaugh. Thanks for the info
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)its political trap and Sanders supporters should let it blow up in HRC supporters face
1. Just allow HRCs supporters to fail
2. There are going to be barrage of smears for the next few months
3. If you see something negative about Sen. Sanders just block the person or just simply do not reply
4. just spread Sen. Sanders in a positive manner
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)How does she not see that she's blowing it?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)It's Hillary and her supporters' fault that Sanders' supporters are having a fit because John Lewis endorsed Hillary.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I'm disappointed and disillusioned with what he said, but that's life. This won't negate anything he's ever done and it won't negate the things that Bernie has stood for his entire life.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)For the laughs from this thread. A sincere thank you to the few Sanders supporters who rejected the very silly idea of a conspiracy, but the rest of you were really, really funny!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)own actions! It's a conspiracy!
By Hillary men. (Not sure where the women are in your mind. Stirring the cauldron perhaps?)
This OP is disturbing and hilarious, all at once.
ecstatic
(32,710 posts)Bernie supporters are way too emotional and reactionary (hence the BernieBros meme). Calm down. Stop going nuts after every Hillary endorsement. Take some time to observe.
Jackilope
(819 posts)Not taking the bait.
lostnfound
(16,183 posts)The seeds of its own solution.
AA leaders who disagree will speak out for themselves.
And people like Rep. Lewis deserve our respect for the whole of his lifetime. Don't want to judge the man because he supports a different candidate than I do.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I always like your posts and you're probably right on this, although the things I heard said today, the horrible, completely unjust insinuations against Bernie Sanders were absolutely infuriating. Why would they do that to this man? I really don't get it. It makes me so mad I wouldn't be able to make an intelligible argument anyway.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Anyway, attacks are part of what happens when one runs for the most powerful position in the world. Kind of goes with the territory. Just ask Hillary.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)definitely stepping back from this.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)SusanLarson
(284 posts)I hate to say it, but Mr Lewis has already made clear exactly where his loyalties lay. He is either being forgetful or outright dishonest to support his candidate of choice.
Bernie Sander's record in Civil rights is just as unquestionable as Mr Lewis' is. Does Mr Lewis suggest that he intimately remembers everyone involved in the civil rights movement.
"The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), as an organization, began with an $800.00 grant from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) for a conference attended by 126 student delegates from 58 sit-in centers in 12 states, along with delegates from 19 northern colleges, the SCLC, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR), National Student Association (NSA), and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). Out of this conference the SNCC was formed."
Bernie Sanders was an activist and the group's president for the Congress for Racial Equality in Chicago, and would have likely been directly involved in the formation of the SNCC.
Mr Lewis also claimed to see Hillary and Bill Clinton taking part in civil rights protests, yet at this time Hillary was still supporting Barry Goldwater in his campaign; and there has never been any suggestion Bill took part in the civil rights movement. One of Barry Goldwater's primary goals was to rollback the Civil Rights act, and re-legalize segregation. Lewis said when interviewed in the Book Conversations: William Jefferson Clinton : from Hope to Harlem. That he didn't hear about Bill Clinton until the 1970's wasn't introduced until 1991.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thanks for reminding us, cali.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)This has been my only post on the matter. Just let it sink.
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)A setup to lure Bernie supporters, particularly those less politically seasoned.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Neither am I.
marble falls
(57,106 posts)did not make me smarter.
zomgitsjesus
(40 posts)Hes a good man and is entitled to say whatever he wants, just like we are.
I didnt agree with my father politically but I still think he was a very good man.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Saying "look at how the comment dismissing Sanders involvement was attacked" invites people to look at three things; what was actually said, what the response was, and now what's claimed about the response.
Afaik it's the Clinton/Brock camp that yet again comes off looking tawdry. The media has been aware of Brock being up to his old tricks for a while. Minimizing Sanders record is an uphill battle because it's been of a known quantity and quality for decades.
That the Clinton campaign engages in sleazy tactics using falsehoods has also been known for a long time. It did so against Obama in 2008.
And maybe, at the end of the day, that's the summary we remind me people of. That it's just the Clinton campaign stuck in time, deploying the same, tired, sleazy, tactics that they used against President Obama.
That's what this is about, once again the Clinton campaign shamelessly attempts to rewrite history.
P.S. Release the transcripts. That's some history that actually needs exploring.
Cheviteau
(383 posts)John Lewis can endorse whomever he wishes. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is his implication that Sanders was not on the front line of the 60s civil rights movement. He did this by claiming that he never met Sanders in all his own activities in that period. One can read this as a claim by Lewis that Sanders wasn't there working for the same cause. Lewis forgets that if it weren't for people like Sanders he (Lewis) wouldn't be in the position he's in today to make such a seemingly important endorsement. Strange that he didn't mention the fact that he didn't see Mr. or Mrs. Clinton on those front lines either. "I don't know him!! I've never seen him !!" cried Peter. My respect for John Lewis is somewhat diminished this morning.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)He is a person, a human being., Many have heard his life story, and it's powerful.
Because of that life story, some of us fear offending his reputation, or our own, or Bernie's. Well and good, probably wise choice.
I started thinking about Sen McCain, another familiar story of courage, wounds, integrity, self-sacrifice, politics, hard choices, compromises, reputations, decisions, allies. Who really knows anything about anyone?
If there are 7 billion points of light there are also seven billion points of view. None of them are wrong but no two are the same.
My line is drawn at "do no harm" and at this point people who denigrate Bernie, as part of the Clinton scorched earth campaign, are doing harm, I don't care what race or story or past acts of courage.
I believe there will be many, just as courageous, who will step up: today, now, here, for honesty and fairness.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)perfectly acceptable IMO.