Have we really reached a place where if you aren't a PoC

[cali]

you're excoriated for criticizing an elected official who is? That's really creepy. And it's not just this one instance.

I respect John Lewis enormously, but I think his attack on Bernie is misleading and disingenuous. It leaves someone who doesn't know better, with the impression that Bernie is lying about having been a civil rights activist in Chicago. I still respect Lewis and his enormous contribution and sacrifice, but I do not respect his attack on Bernie. One DUer said "John Lewis is a hero, not a saint. Even so, it's painful to see one's heroes engaging in this type of political innuendo.

Hillary employing someone who is the most iconic civil rights leader alive, to attack Bernie on his well documented civil rights activism, is so far beyond the pale.

Sadly, I'm confident that she'll sink much lower.

She is eroding our chances of winning in November. A party divided cannot win.

I've said I'll vote for her in the general. She makes that harder every passing hour

[uponit7771]

1. Nah, just at a place where AA's on DU who've been screaming there's a problem with....

... Sanders approach when it comes to PoC for MONTHS are seeing a lot of interesting reactions from Sanders camp

[cali]

7. The Clinton campaign has been manufacturing that problem

They are beneath contempt

[ismnotwasm]

9. They did?

You really believe that?

[TTUBatfan2008]

15. David Brock

Response to a Bernie TV ad was "not enough black people." Brock is the same person who played racist attack dog against Anita Hill 25 years ago.

[ismnotwasm]

22. What does that have to do with the response of AA's to Sanders or his campaign?

How is anything manufactured?

[TTUBatfan2008]

30. How is anything manufactured?

Brock works for the Clintons.

[ismnotwasm]

38. I'm still not clear, please elaborate

Sanders certainly has some support with PoC. On the other hand, a number of the AA communities support Hillary and express reservations about Sanders. How is this "manufactured" by Brock?

[TTUBatfan2008]

52. Misunderstood what you meant.

Brock was playing racist politics and attempting to manufacture outrage against Sanders.

[ismnotwasm]

61. Okey dokey

[snort]

69. Can you specify what the response that you are refering to is?

[Joe the Revelator]

26. I do. Whole heartedly. The same way she tried to drive a wedge between LGBT and Obama in 08

[AlbertCat]

73. They did?

Actually, the GOP did back in June when they pointed out that VT was mostly white, so Sanders' experience was blah blah blah.

Then, even after the real BLM did not condone either of those ambushes on Sanders, the Clinton camp STILL seems hung up on all that bad theatre from the summer. A lot of it took the form of "Did you hear what Sanders didn't say today??!!".... but has morphed a bit since. A cursory look at Sanders' history shows he has been up front with Civil Rights for decades and decades.... regardless of what John Lewis remembers or doesn't remember.

[Hydra]

185. Team Hillary has a huge problem they keep trying to make up for

They set up the framing for the BLM incidents to try and knock Sanders completely out of the race and to give Hillary an unstoppable edge from that point on. They set the ball perfectly, and Hillary stumbled and missed twice.

Team Hill has repeatedly tried to reuse that setup since then to no avail. Several DUers try every single day, but since Hillary can't bothered to even pretend to care about minorities without money, it pretty much falls flat.

[uponit7771]

10. We, black folk, can think for ourselves... don't need Clintons assessment, which she hasn't given to

... too much on this... to decide for ourselves.

[vdogg]

131. It really is hard for Sanders supporters to understand this.

Nobody told me to support Hillary, I do of my own volition. The disconnect here is just staggering. Attacking a famed civil rights leader for expressing his opinion and telling his own experiences is NOT the way to win PoC over.

[elljay]

161. That is Absolutely Fine

I expect everyone to make up their own opinions and, if different from mine, that's ok. I also don't have a problem, as a Sanders supporter, with PoC saying that Bernie has not connected well with that community. He presents a very traditional left-wing/Socialist economic narrative that does not explicitly discuss race/religion/ethnicity but focuses on the economics that drive racial and economic disparity. I certainly understand why AAs/PoC want to hear these issues addressed directly, rather than indirectly and may not believe that Bernie has properly explained his positions. However, that in no way means that Bernie doesn't understand the issues and that he hasn't consistently supported them throughout his life; it is a matter of presentation. My, and other peoples', problem with John Lewis' statement is the implication that Bernie was lying about his support and actions for racial equality. Bernie did not claim to be a key figure in the struggle, to have worked with the leaders like Mr. Lewis, MLK, etc. and any statements he did make are very thoroughly documented and true. The fact that John Lewis didn't know him is probative only of the simple fact that Bernie and John never met. So, we are not at all attacking Lewis for his opinion about Hillary vs. Bernie - he may endorse whomever he chooses and there are many excellent factual reasons for his choosing Hillary. It is by crossing the line from fact to incorrect innuendo that he has laid himself open to very well-deserved criticism.

[MADem]

23. Oh really?

Listen to yourself.

SMH!

[bettyellen]

24. People claiming social justice is nothing more than a "tactic" and POC duped made it a much

uglier problem than it ever had to be.
Bernie was late to address the issues, he was graceful enough to admit it. Not sure why his supporters had to dig their heels in.

[uponit7771]

147. Some people think that PoC aren't savey enough to know about Sanders

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[bettyellen]

166. I think the claim that POC (and women) have been duped is patently offensive....

yet I see it made here every day. I don't think a lot of people respect that others have different needs or priorities.

[uponit7771]

168. Thx bettyelle... I edited my post ... thx for your response

[bettyellen]

171. sorry if I was not clear. some of the things I have read here have been deliberately

confusing and quite inflammatory.

[Jester Messiah]

192. Savvy. [nt]

[ThePhilosopher04]

17. There is ZERO problem

It's fake outrage and race baiting by the Clinton camp to score political points. It's GOD DAMN disgusting is what it is.

[ismnotwasm]

33. So when African Americans criticize Sanders or his campaign

It's because the Clinton camp is race-baiting? How does that work?

[MrChuck]

101. I'm underqualified to comment perhaps but I'll wade in this far.

I don't believe that AA criticism of Sanders is generated by Hillary Clinton.
I DO believe that her campaign has done nothing to curtail unfair criticism and has, in fact, fomented unfair criticism of Sanders' civil rights record. While it is entirely fair of Mr. Lewis to relate the fact that he never saw Sanders in any of the places he mentioned he HAS to know what the inference is. Will Hillary defend Senator Sanders record? We'll see but I doubt it very much.

None of us needs a politician to tell us how to feel on these issues. If I want to know about the struggle a person goes through I engage that person. We'll never come together as long as we pretend to represent our entire ethnic group every time we talk about these issues. We need to talk to each other in person, one to one. Live our lives together. Be friends. Help one another and stick up for one another when we need that kind of help.

I'm probably cooking my own goose saying these things but I really want everyone to get the fair shake. I don't want to see so much heartache and so much ignorance.

Peace.

[monicaangela]

111. Very well said MrChuck!!

I agree with all you have said here, and if I cook my goose for having said so then I'm happy to have my goose cooked, and hope all who have had a hand in the cooking enjoy the meal.

[Mike__M]

126. Hey! You two are gonna harm your candidate

and lose the goose vote with this kind of talk

[monicaangela]

130. Oops!

No offense Mike_M. Okay, I dare anybody try to put their hands on much less cook my goose. I will fight for Sanders till the bitter end.

[uponit7771]

142. How has Clinton fomented unfair criticism? If anything she's been fairly reserved just now hitting..

... back at Sanders.

tia

[MrChuck]

164. No further example is needed beyond this one.

I support Mr. Lewis in making his statement today but I believe that any lag in defense of the senator on the part of the former secretary is an endorsement of that statement and its implications. I'm not inclined to play politics in answering this question so if my answer is unsatisfactory you will have to remain unsatisfied.

[uponit7771]

165. I don't see how you answered the question at all, you addressed it but I don't see any concrete

... examples

[MrChuck]

167. Its been in the news all day...

...without a peep from Clinton.

If it goes un addressed our gets amplified tonight then my assertion will be born out.

The campaign also fomented the perception of a lack of diversity in Sanders' campaign ad "America" when David Brock released a statement that "It looks as though Black Lives Don't Matter to Senator Sanders."

I've already engaged this more than I had intended. I'm not trying to whitesplain things to anyone. Some of us are interested in unity and peace and equality and others are interested in winning for personal reasons and self aggrandizement. I think that Sanders is trying to make policy that raises the quality of life for all Americans regardless of their demographic and that he has a clear record of voting in favor of legislation that seeks to bring resources and opportunity to minorities and the under-represented in this country.
If anyone doesn't believe that then they are being willfully ignorant in my opinion. As I've said, the life and times of Bernie Sanders are a matter of public record.

[uponit7771]

169. What's the "its" you're referring to? Criticism?! Clinton is supposed to address all the criticism s

... she sees from surrogates?

Regards

[MrChuck]

173. I bid you peace.

And that is all that I bid you.

It is my opinion that if the shoe was on the other foot that Hillary supporters would be howling for Sanders to denounce such an implication. As I've said, I support Mr. Lewis' statement since he has never given me a reason to doubt his integrity.
It is the implication that Senator Sanders has a somehow questionable record that I decry. It is not for Mr. Lewis to correct but for Hillary to clarify. They are locked in an unsavory battle for the hearts and minds of an underrepresented minority in this country and neither side should rely on murky implications in the furtherance of their campaign.

[bettyellen]

139. I have seen some interesting attempts lately to inject hatred toward white people

into the conversation. Interesting.

[uponit7771]

144. So this is black folks fault? tia

[bettyellen]

151. Nope, I have seen people attributing words like "fuck white people" to Hill's campaign.

Someone else arguing about the distraction of "wedge issues" used the word "whitey" today.
All of this disturbs me quite a bit- as I definitely do not see tis coming from POC or Clinton's campaign.

(Jury- I can provide links again- but they are usually bait for alerts, and as I am currently being stalked, am loathe to provide them. A simple search will show both these terms and more have been used willy nilly here, and never by POC)

[uponit7771]

141. Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after spending 3 months campaigning there... those PoC heard

... Sanders and didn't like it.

Why do you think someone losing a demographic by that large of percentage that there's ZERO wrong?

tia

[retrowire]

39. AA's on DU aren't all for Clinton.

And they don't speak for all AA's either.

Let's be clear now.

[KentuckyWoman]

59. THANK YOU.

I have not been in DU for a few days and I swear today it's like half the posters on DU feel like have a right to speak for everyone.... and/or...... that all people of whatever skin color all feel and vote exactly the same.

It's annoying the hell out of me. DU is better than that normally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. You hardly speak for all PoC on this board

sorry

And I will keep emphasizing that to your face

[uponit7771]

145. Strawman at best, never intimated in any way that I did and not even part of my reply

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. Oh you have

Constantly

[uponit7771]

160. I for the most part have been careful to use polling data and generalized statements about PoC

... relative to data that I see.

Could you quote me saying anything FOR PoC as you've suggested for my future reference?

I don't want to speak out of turn

thx in advance

[nadinbrzezinski]

162. You have

And I will leave it at that. I cannot give you that self awareness. And the out of turn language is part of it.

Yesterday you even spoke as to how PoC were warning sanders supporters. You want to be accurate, some PoC have, not all.

I speak as an observer here

[Dont call me Shirley]

110. Divide. Divide. Divide. Divide. Divide. Do you not see what is being done here? Do you not see the

oldest game of the patriarchal oligarchy?

Bernie has always had a consistent documented history of being a uniter.

[uponit7771]

146. You mean by bashing Obama and then associating his campaign with vile racialized Obama bashers

... Bigga and West?

tia

[Dont call me Shirley]

194. Are you speaking of Cornell West?

He doesn't bash Obama because of his race, he has concerns about some of Obamas policies. Much different thing here.

[VulgarPoet]

2. Do I even count as PoC if I'm only half-black?

Either way, still hella disappointed in John Lewis. I still respect him... But now I doubt everything else he's talked about. While he could be telling the truth, the phrasing is suspect.

[cali]

20. Not unless you support Hillary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Nope, unless you openly support HRC

trust me, having my self identity dissected at length was one hell of an eye opener. I have zero respect for the people who did that.

[rbrnmw]

58. I am sorry you went through that

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. what is insane is that even though we have screen caps

they deny it.

[Hydra]

186. They aren't interested in the truth

Much like their candidate. Anything it takes to win, and since they can't talk their candidate up that means tearing everyone else down.

[Arazi]

37. Nope, not enough. For example nadinbrezinski, a Mexican Jewish woman

is not enough of a " minority" to qualify as a minority



There's other examples but yeah, there's a lot of that kind of thing in the AA and HRC groups.

[ismnotwasm]

41. That's not a very nice thing to say.

Since the AA communities are the topic in question.

[Arazi]

50. shrug. The poster asked. Its easily verifiable, ask Nadin

Or Omaha Steve - he's just faking being disabled (even as he's got a terminal illness )

There's a few who supported Bernie Sanders who have been very badly treated in questioning their identities

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. and some of us do not support any candidate openly

Working press... if you have no idea who I will vote for, it is best.

I just report on what we are seeing on the ground.

[ismnotwasm]

63. That quite the rationalization you have going there

Interesting

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Given that you were at the center of that discussion off site

let's put it this way, I have zero respect for you personally. More like dripping contempt. I also consider what you did racist.

[ismnotwasm]

65. Thank you, you are very kind.

I think you've made my entire day. If I had a heart left, I'd donate it to you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Keep it

And please have the last word. Or do you want the screen cap posted as well?

[ismnotwasm]

72. Sure

Post it. I, alas, have no hearts left to give.

[LondonReign2]

82. I think we'd all like to see that

Tired of certain partisans going elsewhere and spewing vile shit and then coming here and acting as if they are innocents.

[ismnotwasm]

85. Are you referring to me?

You are seriously hurting my feelings

[LondonReign2]

87. I presume nadin was referring to you

If I thought the crowd that posted the vile shit that they do actually had feelings to be hurt I might give a rat's ass.

[ismnotwasm]

91. Ok you're right

You didn't actually hurt my feelings.

I have the screenshots somewhere..

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Well you made the list

Congrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. I am not a partisan

but I even posted a long thread on how my identity was discussed

So here are some choice screen caps since you insist.

?ssl=1&w=450

?ssl=1&w=450

This is from the latest site.

One is a pretty antisemitic image, the other is barely disguised racist crap.

So enjoy.

If you want I can add you to the list for whom I have utter disdain for.

[ismnotwasm]

96. Hookay...

Not sure what to tell you here..

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. Well an apology and some self reflection

Would be a nicest start.

None of us expect it though.

The level of personal vitriol though makes me laugh when any of you say the word bernie bro. Yup, that's me in the corner laughing at you

[ismnotwasm]

120. That's an awesome word.

Vitriol. A bit overused at this point, but definitely one of my favorites. I'm glad I can make you laugh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. You do

But for all the wrong reasons.

We go back to lack of self reflection and how hurtful you personally were. Hence the word contemp comes.

That bridge that is burning, you lit that fuse. Enjoy the warmth, as it continues to burn

[ismnotwasm]

128. What, exactly, are you talking about?

If you don't mind clarifying? Are you mixing metaphors?

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. Nope

Lack of self awareness on display

[840high]

99. Thanks - needed to be shown.

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. You welcome

The burning bridge will continue to go into ashes and they have still zero awareness as to why.

[LondonReign2]

152. I was referring to the person making those posts as a partisan, not you

Though if you still want to add me to your list it's probably just showing good judgment on your part.

Cheers

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. Sorry for misunderstand f.

It is sad though when one has to keep such a list

[Arazi]

159. Just awful. The anti-semitic ones were grotesque - Money Goldbricks etc

with pictures of hook nosed Jews iirc

If HRC supporters can stoop that low, then we probably haven't seen the bottom yet

[nadinbrzezinski]

163. It will not be long

Until the campaign itself goes there like 2008

[rbrnmw]

179. I don't see the posters name on that screenshot

unless you have more information to prove the poster had anything to do with that site or post

[nadinbrzezinski]

180. She did that at the OTHER SITE

where she has been a regular.

This one was the latest smear campaign.

They are all HRC supporters from THIS PLACE.

And the screen caps have been posted, for both sites ad nauseaum.

Suffice it to say, she did it. with a few others. And for that, that bridge was slimed in napalm and a nice lit piece of wood was placed to it. It's been burning since.

Of course, what they did to me is nothing. I am expecting the campaign to use some of the same antisemitic themes they floated themselves... it is so 2008 all over again. And some of that has started... Bernie is a bad jew and disloyal to Israel. I am waiting for the he is not a loyal American (yup screen caps).

Oh and this is a critical edit, the second site, they were brilliand and did not use their DU usernames.

[rbrnmw]

181. again I'm sorry if someone used antisemitic slurs toward you

[nadinbrzezinski]

183. I wish it was antisemitism

they questioned my identity as a Jewish Latina immigrant from Mexico, mostly because I am quite melanin challenged.

Yeah, yeah, I could pass, until I open my mouth. Then it is obvious that I am NOT quite white.

[rbrnmw]

187. I take people at their word

but this is the internet and people feel free to say things they wouldn't face to face.

[nadinbrzezinski]

188. Very very true

but these days when I hear the complaints of Bernie Bros, I just laugh.

I vote on policy, not supporters, but they are not doing any favors to anybody, chiefly themselves.

[arcane1]

3. It also left the impression that he met the Clintons DURING his Civil Rights involvement.

It's a shame to see him resort to such dishonesty after such a distinguished life.

[dragonfly301]

8. This is confusing to me

I wrote this on another post (not realizing it was in the HRC group)

Wasn't Hillary a registered Republican until 1968, worked for Goldwater in 1964, gave a commencement speech from Wellesley in 1969 where she criticized Senator Ed Brooks?

She graduated from high school in 1964. So in the summer of 1963, before her senior year of high school she attended the March on Washington and met John Lewis? Why have I not heard of this before? White, Republican high school girl from Illinois goes to the March on Washington - meets John Lewis - sounds like a photo op.

[arcane1]

12. He deliberately phrased it to give that impression. In essence, he lied n/t

[dragonfly301]

16. I guess that's why google

didn't have any record of her being there.

[cali]

25. It's hard to see it as truthful. It fits the definition of artful smear.

[arcane1]

28. There's no other reason to say he met them in the same paragraph as not meeting Sanders.

If there IS another possible reason, I'd love to hear it!

[Dustlawyer]

64. Absolutely!

Wish I could see the timing of campaign contributions from Hillary's big Donors to her political endorsers. I suspect it will be like the money donated to Tweety's wife's campaign and his sudden intense support of Hillary!

More evidence of influence peddling which will NEVER be investigated!

[Autumn]

35. John Lewis very careful said he had met the Clintons. He did not say when

“I never saw him. I never met him,” Lewis continued. “I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for 3 years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed to voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/john-lewis-on-sanders-involvement-in-civil-rights-movement-i#.smR4mYWvV

I found it very interesting how John Lewis didn't even allow the reporter to finish the question. I have seen pictures of a young Bill Clinton meeting JFK, if John Lewis met them then there should be pictures. Very disappointing. These people should realize that should Hillary win the nomination they will need the votes of all the Bernie supporters. They want to sink this low to lie and smear him with innuendos like this they may have a problem getting those votes.

[dragonfly301]

42. I will probably grudgingly hold my nose a vote for her

my two sons, 25 and 18 who are so enthusiastic about Bernie will probably sit it out. I don't think the DNC and other establishment Democrats realize what damage they are doing to the future of the party.

[Kittycat]

78. Why would he compromise his own reputation to mislead or lie?

I'm unclear what that's about as well. Lewis & Sanders terms overlapped in the house. Further, a simple google will show photos of Lewis & Sanders, with Sanders' Wife on the 50th anniversary of Selma just last year. It's unfortunate that Lewis made this a nasty candidate debate issue. He easily could have left Bernie completely out of it, and just said I support HRC because... Or, recognized Bernie's contribution, but stated why he felt HRC deserved his support. Doing it in this manner, just raises more questions for HRCs campaign, IMO. And really - I just can't understand why he would compromise his reputation like that, when it just wasn't necessary.

[Autumn]

89. Maybe he didn't want to play the reporters game.

[Blue_In_AK]

88. I caught that, too.

This is very disingenuous wording.

[pnwmom]

106. He met them when Bill Clinton was 29, before he went into politics. So they've been

friends for decades. He knows them well and he doesn't know Bernie. It's not an insult to Bernie, just the reality.

Why would you expect there to be pictures of Bill Clinton getting to know John Lewis? Do you think either of them, in that era, walked around with photographers at their sides?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

[GeorgeGist]

158. dunno ...

[MADem]

190. Every governor in America was at that shindig.

Mike Dukakis was there--should he be shot, too? Nelson Rockefeller--a shitload of people who happened to be governors.

It was a reception in 1983 that was part of a series of events hosted by Governor Brennan of Maine. This particular picture was taken at a lobster bake, hosted by George H.W. Bush, the vice president at the time, at his Kennebunkport residence, under the umbrella of hosting the attendees of the National Governor's Associaton meeting.

You want the schedule?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=0ahUKEwiIj4mwx_HKAhWGQCYKHUaTBZ84ChAWCCAwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nga.org%2Ffiles%2Flive%2Fsites%2FNGA%2Ffiles%2Fpdf%2F1983NGAAnnualMeeting.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGlskQx9SMHDmRd1vk0_jMsHZxWsw&sig2=vw9vi1-l9AT_cBzxjktTQQ&bvm=bv.114195076,d.eWE

What's the point of posting that pic? To ... divide?

Also, the photo is cropped. Mrs. Wallace is cut out. The focus is shifted as a consequence of that editing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

[Bluenorthwest]

170. So 1975, 76. John Lewis is a member of the Progressive Caucus along with Bernie Sanders who chaired

that Caucus which he also co-founded during the time John Lewis was a member. Only 67 people in the entire House had the courage to vote against DOMA, that number includes Lewis and Sanders. Lewis spoke very clearly about DOMA, his view very different from Hillary's memory of the day.....

[ieoeja]

53. 1968 she interned at the House Republican Conference and worked Rockefeller (R) campaign for prez.

She says she supported Eugene McCarthy while working to elect Rockefeller.

[dragonfly301]

57. I grew up in Albany, NY

she reminds me a lot of Rockefeller - moderate Republican with ties to big banks.

[OKNancy]

125. No she was not a registered Republican until 1968!

She couldn't even vote until 1968. THe voting age was 21 then.
She supported McCarthy in 1968.

---

I believe that Lewis meant that he had met and talked with both CLintons over the course of his career and they have both been supportive.

[Hekate]

138. In 1968 she was working for Sen. Gene McCarthy, an anti war candidate, just as I was. In 1968....

....you had to be 21 years old to vote at all, and she had just turned 21, as I had.

So "until 1968" she had NO opportunity to be a registered anything. In the previous Presidential election cycle, SHE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. When she went to college her view expanded considerably, she became a Democrat, and has been a Democrat ever since.

Bernie, otoh, felt nauseated at JFK's speeches (there is an old newspaper article posted elsewhere here), was disgusted by the Democratic Party, and while he caucused with the Dems in the Senate, refused to be anything other than a gadfly to the Party until about 15 minutes ago.

I hope this clears up your "confusion."

[pnwmom]

84. He met the Clintons during the mid-70's. Wasn't the Civil Rights movement still going on? nt

[dragonfly301]

95. I would say the Civil Rights Movement

is still going on.

[pnwmom]

102. I would agree, but the poster I was responding to apparently thinks it ended in the 60's. n/t

[George II]

112. Only if you want to see it that way in order to attack John Lewis. Everyone can clearly see....

....and hear what he said.

[NaturalHigh]

4. "Have we really reached a place"...

Pretty much, yes.

[Skwmom]

5. Why do you think they want a woman so bad. n/t

[guillaumeb]

6. Desperate circumstamces call for extreme measures.

And the campaign obviously feels that there is much to be desperate about.

[Jefferson23]

11. That's how I read them too. n/t

[Punkingal]

13. I'm the one who said hero and not a saint.

And you are right, it is painful to see one's heroes stretching the truth like that. And was he saying Bill and Hillary were involved in the Civil Rights movement and he met them then?

[cali]

27. It's a very good point. Thank you.

[Empowerer]

14. The fact that you think that saying he never saw Sanders in the 1960s is an "attack" speaks volumes

[cali]

29. It was clearly an attack. Period

[gregcrawford]

107. Though Mr. Lewis employed questionable innuendo...

... with his "I met the Clintons" remark, I got the impression that Darren Sands had a very heavy thumb on the scales with his characterizations between his quotes of Mr. Lewis. "People in this room GASPED!" Mercy sakes!

I HAVE met Mr. Sanders, and I have spoken with him. I know from personal experience that he is an honorable man.

If ever I have occasion to shake hands with Mr. Sands, I will be sure to count my fingers afterward. You never get a second chance to make a first impression, Darren, my boy, and my first impression of you is NOT one of an honorable man.

[ThePhilosopher04]

31. Of course it's an attack. A backhanded one at that

Which makes it even worse coming from John Lewis. He knows better.

[retrowire]

45. Are you not familiar with what an "implication" is? nt

[ismnotwasm]

47. Right?

I sit here in stunned amazement.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

75. This is like claiming John Kerry didn't earn his medals.

[Empowerer]

76. No it's not. The Swiftboaters were lying. John Lewis is telling the truth.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

94. Hillary's supporters are jumping on his comments to call Bernie a liar.

[Empowerer]

98. I haven't seen anyone call Bernie a liar.

Sanders never claimed to have "marched with Dr. King."

His supporters who keep spreading that falsehood are another story . . .

[Spitfire of ATJ]

100. Here is what they're saying...

[NurseJackie]

109. It's definitely noteworthy. What it tells me, I cannot say.

You're very observant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I gotta wonder what are the internal polls within the Clinton campaign?

This is the kind of kitchen sink ugliness that comes out when internal polls are just dismal. This is from observing many campaigns over the years.

[dragonfly301]

49. My 18 yo facebook messages me from college

every time this kind of nastiness occurs - "How bad are Clinton's internal polling?" He's in class right now, but I'm expecting a fb message within the hour.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. that should be interesting

I observe campaigns for a living. So I know when a candidate does not do well, the fists come out. It is a truism of American politics

[MisterP]

19. interestingly when Andy Young sided with WalMart there was no defensive reaction

interesting to see what does and doesn't rally people (though Lewis is more prominent and didn't attack Sanders's ethnicity)

[H2O Man]

21. Interesting.

I think that this will open up a good opportunity for Bernie to respond in tonight's debate. I like and respect John Lewis. But I wouldn't expect him to remember if he ever was at an event that Bernie attended in the 1960s. Lewis was in a leadership position, and Bernie has never claimed that he was. Rather, Bernie was but one of the many white students who bravely supported the Civil Rights movement, including attending events that good people, such as Lewis, coordinated.

Likewise, even today, Bernie is not going to remember each and every college student that has attended one of his campaign's rallies.

Recommended.

[cali]

36. It leaves the impression, particularly with those who don't know

Bernie's history of civil rights activism, that Bernie is lying about that history. It was crafted to do just that. What other explanation could there be?

[H2O Man]

54. Oh, I definitely

agree with you. It was in bad taste. And, exactly as you say, it was crafted to confuse people.

[padfun]

153. Well, time for another donation

If they keep attacking Bernie, I'm going to run out of money!

[Dragonfli]

71. Unless I am reading the quote incorrectly, does it not also imply that both Bill and Hillary Clinton

Were involved with Lewis as civil rights activists at the time?

I find that hard to believe, but I am willing to learn new facts about a Goldwater Girl and her older boyfriend marching with Lewis. They should have made their early activism public sooner, I might have had more respect for them rather than having none.

[H2O Man]

149. Right.

Lewis's statement incorrectly implies that Bill & Hillary were there as active parts of the Civil Rights movement. I wish that he had not said it in that way.

[Dragonfli]

155. Me too, he is a hero of mine, since we know Bill and Hill did no such thing

I can't tell you how disappointed, even disillusioned that he said that the way he did.

He should have just said something more appropriate like, "since then I have had the pleasure of working with Bill and Hillary on issues important to me". It would have been honest and not put me in a place now where I'm not sure I even know a man I thought was a living hero.

[jwirr]

134. That is so true. Many of us were active in one way or the

other. Bernie has records from college that show pictures of him working with various groups. Many of us do. But we would not expect to be remembered. I was at Wounded Knee 72 and sat in on various meetings including one in the Chairman's office but I would not expect him to remember me.

Likewise that is why I have pointed out that I do not remember Bill and Hillary as women's rights leaders - they were college students just like most of us.

We were foot soldiers not leaders. But we can truthfully say we were part of those movements.

[deathrind]

34. Put simply...

Yes.

[MadDAsHell]

40. DU reached that place about 8 years ago. This isn't new. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. Actually, what we've reached is the side of the bus. It doesn't matter who it is...

If they support Hillary and you don't immediately show unconditional love for them, you're throwing them UNDER THE BUSSSSS!

[retrowire]

46. Yeah, heaven forbid we criticize an endorsement of a person that we don't approve of. nt

[Mike__M]

143. I saw something somewhere

that Bernie had to get a whole fleet of buses to keep up.
Don't know if it was legit.

[nc4bo]

48. ...

[fbc]

62. John Lewis' legacy can weather this.

But it is a sad chapter in an otherwise incredible story.

[Capt. Obvious]

66. I wouldn't worry about Lewis

if Bernie somehow manages to be the front runner, Lewis will jump ship in a heart beat.

[jwirr]

136. Ouch.

[aintitfunny]

68. What's a PoC?

Sorry, don't know and have come up with all kinds of things

Piece of crap
Point of conclusion
person of concern

By the way I agree.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Person of Color

usually standing for black and brown people.

[aintitfunny]

122. Thank you, didn't arrive at that one.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

74. I see this as part of the pattern of the Clinton's use of surrogates....

They DESTROYED the legacy of a feminist icon of our era when they sent out Geraldine Ferraro and now they're doing it again with a civil rights icon of our era.

Ms Ferraro died before she could find redemption.

[Empowerer]

77. Wow - you probably have no idea how patronizing and condescending you sound

John Lewis isn't being "used." He's a highly intelligent and savvy man who has chosen the candidate he wishes to support and is speaking his mind about it.

But the insistence by some here that he's some kind of clueless tool speaks volumes.

And you wonder why huge waves of black folks aren't feeling the Bern.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

92. Actually, I'm looking at the DELIGHT of Hillary supporters when they get some ammo.

[Gore1FL]

118. He isn't so much being "used"

His words are being misrepresented, though.

[LiberalArkie]

79. Cali, I respect John Lewis also. I can not speak to his motivations, but it is politics and politics

is strange. A politician may have to say or advocate something that makes them through up before bed. They have to act like they are best friends with someone they wish they could ignore.

I believe this is going to be one of the strangest elections I have ever seen, maybe the strangest the nation has seen. Especially since 50 years ago people would not have heard anything like we have just this week.

One thing I do know is that when someone endorses Bernie, we know it is for real as that person has a lot to loose from the other party members.

[NCTraveler]

80. No.

"Have we really reached a place where if you aren't a PoC you're excoriated for criticizing an elected official who is?"

That doesn't mean people won't be excoriated for saying extremely stupid things about a great man.

Common sense.

[PonyUp]

81. Love this pic from the 50th Anniversary of the march on Selma.

[LondonReign2]

90. I'm sure Hillary wanted to be there but she probably had an important speech to

give for Goldman Sachs that conflicted.

[840high]

105. Nice.

[PatrynXX]

83. well if she's pushing Ted Nugent Anti Semitic crap it'll get lower :(

Oh he's not Jewish enough X_X I have Jewish relatives they are not very happy with Clinton at the moment

[MFM008]

86. REALLY??

They will never vote for HRC, really? Is Donald Trump or Ted Cruz or Rubio better? I dont understand, I support Hillary but am reasonable enough to consider Sanders if he is the nominee. I will never NOT vote. That falls into the republicans plans to steal elections. Its MY vote and as much as I hate Sanders is as OLD as he is and is six years older than my dad was when he died and has all these great ideas and will never be able to pay for them because of the gop in congress. I will vote for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. Get with it or really suffer when the gop takes over and destroys the world.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

172. You go to the polls with the voters you have, not the voters you would ideally have.

And yeah, there are a LOT of voters out there who won't ever vote for Hillary, no matter what. I've heard it over and over in people I've talked to about politics in the real world, from across the political spectrum. There are a lot of 'Anybody But Hillary' voters out there, and nominating her is probably the surest way to lose the White House.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

97. I doubt that MLK or John Lewis noticed me when I worked for civil rights in L.A.

Nor, would I have expected them to. I was a student at the time, marching, protesting, handing out leaflets.

Kinda like Bernie.

[w4rma]

103. John Lewis is pro-private prison and was pushed to support Obama over Clinton by his constituents.

He's *always* been in the bag for Clinton, even over Obama.

[monicaangela]

104. I believe your assumption

could be the problem. You must understand this fact: PoC admire John Lewis for what he endured in his effort to help this country move forward where equal rights are concerned all people should admire his effort. Having said that, I also need you to understand that even though he has done this wonderful thing, it does not make him a voice that can direct the actions of the millions of PoC in this country.

Every human being has the right to be wrong, every politician that represents the citizens of this nation is still a politician. Maybe John Lewis believes he has the bona-fides needed to make this claim against Bernie, and maybe his support of Hillary Clinton has caused him to feel as though this effort might help her cause, and if his intentions are to help her cause I can see why as a politician he might do this, but as I said before even though PoC respect what he has done in the past, that does not mean they will follow him as sheep follow a shepherd. The opinion of John Lewis is just that, his opinion, not that of the millions of PoC you are discussing in your comment. As a person of color, I can tell you he does not sway my opinion in any way, I have read about Bernie and his career long before he decided to run for President and I know that Bernie Sanders has fought for equal rights for decades. A statement from John Lewis or any other Civil Rights hero cannot change the facts or erase history.

[Justice]

108. You say you respect John Lewis enormously but then accuse him of being Hillary's puppet.

Doesn't sound like respect to me.

[George II]

113. Hillary Clinton didn't "employ" John Lewis to say what he said. He spoke from HIS heart....

....He didn't "attack", again, he spoke from his heart.

[Gore1FL]

116. He didn't attack bernie. He said he didn't know him then.

That's being spun as an attack by the HRC crowd.

[jwirr]

140. Thank you because THAT makes sense.

[Gman]

117. Well documented?

Yeah, right

Where did Sanders go in the south to register voters? Selma? Montgomery? The barrios in Texas?

[lumberjack_jeff]

123. DC is a network of favors and influence.

No one is immune. I called Rep Jim McDermott's (probably the most liberal Representative) office yesterday, to encourage the congressman to drop his superdelegate endorsement of Clinton. The aid replied "Thank you for calling, Mr Lumberjack; The congressman will be very pleased to hear of this.

So why was he a Clinton supporter to start with? Because he depends on the DNC and the network of favors that the Clinton machine control. They need major air cover in the form of public opinion to do the right thing.

The same is true of John Lewis.

Cenk was right; if superdelegates overrule the will of the public, the political revolution will stop being simply political.

[nadinbrzezinski]

127. And this... Is the thread winner

[FailureToCommunicate]

124. Bernie DID say he expected the kitchen sink thrown at him soon. Also, I was at the 1963 March

on Washington (with my father and brother) I don't remember meeting John Lewis there. I doubt he remembers seeing me. After all there were only, like, a zillion people there.

[nyabingi]

132. The majority of the CBC

had long ago ceased to represent the interests of their Black constituents, having sold most of their collective souls to corporate dollars and ass-kissing to keep their cushy seats in Washington.

Apparently John Lewis thinks Black people not of his generation actually cares about what he has to say or whom he's endorsing. You've had your day in the sun John, now you're just making yourself look like a stooge and a pet of the Clintons.

[UglyGreed]

133. .

“Good grief, we’re getting offended by everything these days!” she said. “People can’t say anything without offending somebody.”

[Merryland]

135. He implied that Bill & Hillary were marching at that time

which is a crock.

[tularetom]

137. a bit off topic, but I wish my dad was still alive

He'd be laughing his ass off over the popularity of the term "person(s) of color". Because he always used the term "colored people" and we kids constantly gave him a ration of shit about how old fashioned and condescending it sounded. He never changed of course, the habit was too ingrained in him.

Of course we're now all way too politically correct to say "colored people" anymore, but somehow "persons of color" is OK.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

174. THe POC phrase was started and spread

by black people, iirc, as a way to refer to blacks, latinos, and Native Americans. It doesn't just mean 'black'.

[tularetom]

175. I totally get that, but having said that

What is the difference between a person of color and a colored person?

And if one is OK why isn't the other? Or is it?

"Person of color" just sounds pretentious to me.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

177. Shrug.

Phrases go in and out of vogue. Over time, if people start using one as an epithet, the people to whom it refers call foul and demand another terminology be used.

[tularetom]

178. I think thats sort of my point

I just find it a bit ironic that in an effort to find an inoffensive descriptor, we dug one up from the past that was offensive at the time to many people.

[Fumesucker]

182. You are not the first one to ask that question...

[tularetom]

189. I swear on all that is holy

that, although I devoured everything published by Berkeley Breathed for probably 15 years, and even had pictures of Bill the Cat, Opus and Alf Mushpie hanging on the wall of my office (until my boss made me take them down), I was completely unaware that that strip even existed.

But I still wish that my dad, a transplanted Okie who didn't have a bigoted bone in his body, could be here to see how the "new-age term" people of color has wormed its way into popular usage (at least with some segments of the population).

[Fumesucker]

191. Glad you enjoyed it..

for your dad.. and you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

184. That is one of the strangest semantic shifts I have seen in years

and I do get the humor in it as well.

[LittleBlue]

148. There is a special place in hell for any progressive who takes issue with opinions from POC

Same game, different target.

[quickesst]

150. WTF!!!

" Hillary employing someone who is the most iconic civil rights leader alive, to attack Bernie on his well documented civil rights activism, is so far beyond the pale."

Do you have proof that Hillary employed John Lewis to, as you put it, "attack Bernie"? Is John Lewis lying in his statement, and simply parroting what Hillary Clinton told him to say? To say that he is the most iconic civil rights leader alive, and then to accuse him of being a lap dog is quite the oxymoron. This is Bernie's supporters continuing to paint a respected congressman who happens to be POC as a lackey for personal political gain. Bernie's supporters have no right to try and shame anyone pointing this out. Perhaps they should first look into a mirror.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

157. To say that Hillary is "controlling" John Lewis is pretty insulting AND silly.

Also to " demonize" Hillary for anything her supporters do or say is also silly.

[Beacool]

176. Keep it going........

"Hillary employing someone who is the most iconic civil rights leader alive, to attack Bernie on his well documented civil rights activism, is so far beyond the pale."

I doubt that John Lewis would appreciate your comment about being "employed" by Hillary. What's beyond the pale is the arrogance of Sanders' supporters throwing a tantrum because someone endorsed Hillary. Your dismissive and insulting attacks on Rep. Lewis are, not only tone deaf, but counterproductive and will backfire.

How DARE you state that he's being used, as if this courageous man can be manipulated into saying something that he doesn't believe in.

[Babel_17]

193. It's like the Clinton campaign had to stop thinking about winning the general election

They're motivated now to do anything, say anything, to win the nomination. But the cost of doing that will come sooner than in November (should Secretary Clinton have managed to become our candidate).

The head to head comparisons as shown in polls are likely, imo, to show the downside of sleazy attacks against one's competitor in the primaries.

Senator Sanders will look like a lock to win against Trump and other Republicans, while Secretary Clinton won't. Her negative numbers, already bad, will look flat out untenable. And then there's the three investigations going on that will reflect on her integrity as the public becomes more aware of them.

If Secretary Clinton can't gain at least the grudging admiration of the majority of those supporting Senator Sanders, she might be unelectable. She'd need those voters in the swing states.

Following the David Brock playbook is not the way to win friends, and influence opinions, among Sanders supporters.

[frylock]

195. I had a post hidden today because I dared to even suggest that John Lewis may have experienced TBI..

when he was beaten by racist pigs. This post may get hidden.