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We've all heard that "the deck is stacked against us"... This graphic is the epitome of that. (Original Post) reformist2 Feb 2016 OP
i heard super delegates were created partly in response to artyteacher Feb 2016 #1
Doomed because the corporatist/war wing of the party Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #2
that was probably part of it artyteacher Feb 2016 #4
Yet McGovern still managed to get nominated... MattSh Feb 2016 #7
Actually, when you strip away political labels Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #10
+1 TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #16
Did the super delegate problem prevent Obama from winning? FSogol Feb 2016 #3
Why should non-establishment candidates have to jump over a higher hurdle? reformist2 Feb 2016 #8
What hurdle do they have to jump over? Get more voters and the super delegates will move to your FSogol Feb 2016 #9
Popularly elected delegates are all any candidate should have to worry about. Shouldn't have to beg reformist2 Feb 2016 #11
No begging is necessary. The super delegates will switch on their own to the candidate FSogol Feb 2016 #14
If you care for the Democratic party then you had best hope and pray that you are right Fumesucker Feb 2016 #19
So the sky is falling? Sorry, but won't happen. Human nature is the reason. FSogol Feb 2016 #20
You're not worried about it at all? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #22
No, wasn't worried in 2008, not worried now. The super delegates will do FSogol Feb 2016 #23
The superdelegates can change their vote. Ask John Lewis who switched Jarqui Feb 2016 #5
I think the supers were more split in 2008 eom artyteacher Feb 2016 #6
This superdelegate story is just another fundraising ploy to stir up anger with the uninformed. Alfresco Feb 2016 #12
It's not fair!!!!!! FSogol Feb 2016 #15
"Democratic" party = false advertising. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #13
Yep. I'm suprised so many here are defending such un-democratic rules. reformist2 Feb 2016 #18
my understanding of superdelegates is that elana i am Feb 2016 #17
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artyteacher

(598 posts)
1. i heard super delegates were created partly in response to
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

Leftist McGovern ' s doomed campaign. Ask yourself why.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
2. Doomed because the corporatist/war wing of the party
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

didn't want peace and wanted to make sure they NEVER had to deal with a threat to war profits ever again.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
10. Actually, when you strip away political labels
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

the majority of the country is quite socialist. They like:

- Universal health care
- Minimum wage laws tied to inflation
- Free education at all levels
- Restrictions on corporate power
- Higher taxes on the rich
- Cuts in the massive Pentagon budget
- Equal pay for all
- Marriage equality
- Anti-discrimination laws
- Clean air/water laws
- Work safety laws.
- Workman's Comp laws
- Anti-monopoly laws
- Infrastructure spending
- Food stamps
- Paid sick leave
- Paid maternity leave
- The right to unionize

and much more.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
3. Did the super delegate problem prevent Obama from winning?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

The super delegates don't count until the convention.
The super delegates will support the candidate with the most electoral votes regardless of who they are supporting now.
The super delegates have never gone against the will of the Democratic voters.

Can we lay this nonsense to rest?



Fun fact: Sen Sanders is a super delegate.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
9. What hurdle do they have to jump over? Get more voters and the super delegates will move to your
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

side. That's how Obama got elected. Wanna win? GOTV. Doesn't matter whether you are establishment or non-establishment.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. Popularly elected delegates are all any candidate should have to worry about. Shouldn't have to beg
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

the superdelegates to switch their votes.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
14. No begging is necessary. The super delegates will switch on their own to the candidate
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016

that secures the nomination. See the 2008 election for a good example.
As Democrats, the Democratic super delegates are committed to electing Democrats.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. If you care for the Democratic party then you had best hope and pray that you are right
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

I think this election is different, I would not count on past events to entirely predict the future.

If the superdelegates do try to overturn a popularly elected Sanders I think the reaction will be cataclysmic and there will be a smoking hole in the ground where the Democratic party used to be.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
20. So the sky is falling? Sorry, but won't happen. Human nature is the reason.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

Whether the super delegates like Sanders or not, if he wins, they'll be on his side when the dust settles.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. You're not worried about it at all?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

It's not "not liking" it's "the gravy train getting derailed".

Or maybe even "they have photographs".. or much worse.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
5. The superdelegates can change their vote. Ask John Lewis who switched
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

to Obama in 2008.

Mr Civil Rights endorsed the white woman who was the horse he thought would win until the black guy started to win.

elana i am

(814 posts)
17. my understanding of superdelegates is that
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

they pledge to vote for a particular candidate IF that candidate surpasses 270 electoral votes, meaning all these superdelegates have pledged to clinton that they won't switch their vote to sanders after she obtains 270 electoral votes. it doesn't mean that all these superdelegates are going to vote only for clinton.

what it does mean is clinton is falsely padding her tally. par for the course for her.

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