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Hillary: Let's dispel with this fiction that POTUS doesn't know what he's doing (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
The more she needs African American voters, the harder she'll hug Obama. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #1
lol so true. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #2
its hysterical yet sickening at the same time! nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #6
Wow, Hillary channeling Rubiot! Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #3
Is this a lampoon of Rubio? cyberswede Feb 2016 #4
Actually...let's NOT. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #5
Right there with ya.. disillusioned73 Feb 2016 #7
On the way to the White House a funny thing happened. The economy collapsed. SHIT HAPPENS! politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #11
Oh, come on, Junkie. I lived through that time too and even helped administer PatrickforO Feb 2016 #14
LOL!!! firebrand80 Feb 2016 #8
Is the gap between Congress and The People not gaping? Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #9
Let's call it what it so freakin transparently is: race-pandering. Nt JudyM Feb 2016 #12
Bernie is right. jkbRN Feb 2016 #10
marco, is that you? nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #13

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. The more she needs African American voters, the harder she'll hug Obama.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

Watch what happens if she makes it to the general election, though. That's where the hug will get kinda loose, LOL. She's nothing if not a cynical operator.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
5. Actually...let's NOT.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

Oh, Obama has a genius plus IQ and definitely knows what he's doing. Bernie's problem (and mine) with him is that in 2008 he built the most massive, efficient political machine ever in American politics - I mean, I was ready to march for single payer healthcare, and Obama's campaign promise of universal healthcare was specifically what compelled me to volunteer for his campaign.

Alas, when elected, he did not use the bully pulpit to activate his huge engaged constituency around specific issues and he took single payer off the table, instead substituting a giant corporate welfare program dreamed up by the Heritage Foundation for what should have been Medicare for all Americans, which is what many of us on the line wanted.

So, you know, in my eyes there IS a leadership gap. I thought Obama was gonna be the next FDR and was ready to march with him to make things happen, and....

they didn't. Instead he has governed as a socially liberal Eisenhower Republican.

Bernie's not gonna do that, and the fact that Obama did what he did shows there IS a leadership gap between Obama and rank and file Democrats.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
11. On the way to the White House a funny thing happened. The economy collapsed. SHIT HAPPENS!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure that Obama never dreamed that he would have to spend the first years of his administration focused on cleaning up Wall Street's mess and trying to save the US economy from another Great Depression. In addition, he faced an obstructionist GOP Congress who say a failed Obama administration as their only way pack to power. Instead of the policies that he had hoped to put into action, he had to spend money on creating jobs, unemployment benefits, and food stamps for people who lost their jobs. This type of spending caused the deficit to sore. The GOP provided no assistance and Obama pretty much had to go it alone with just the help of the Democratic Party. Many of those Democrats lost their seats for the actions taken to prop up the economy. You must have slept through that period. In spite of it all, Obama held steadfast in trying to get Health Care for all, but, he had to make compromises because of Blue Dog Democrats to get anything passed. He had to make compromises or else we would have had nothing. Bernie had the luxury of us having come through those tough times, which no one knew at the time knew how they would turn out. He would be inheriting a much stronger economy, should he be elected, than what Obama faced coming into office. It is disingenuous of him and his supporters to blame Obama when he did the best he could with the cards he was dealt.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
14. Oh, come on, Junkie. I lived through that time too and even helped administer
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

substantial amounts of ARRA funding (ARRA1 wasn't enough - we needed a second package).

I still stand by what I said. The Dems had the nearest thing to a super majority they'd ever have in the Senate and we could have done Medicare for all Americans in 2009. Obama had the political capital then to make that happen. Sure the R's would have resisted. Those assholes held a treasonous meeting in a DC restaurant and agreed to oppose Obama on EVERYTHING the very night of his inauguration.

But Obama moved very, very rapidly toward the center right upon taking office. We had ARRA, but immediately thereafter he began echoing the Republican rhetoric about the deficit. The problem: if it was some sort of compromise made by Obama, he sure as hell didn't get ANYTHING from it and the Repubs got pretty much everything.

Do a little mental exercise with me, though. Businesses weren't hiring because demand was down. Demand was down because we'd lost well over a million jobs and those people were languishing on unemployment payments, which are designed to keep up demand for goods and services during economic downturns. And let's not forget about state and local governments, which were being stretched to the max. One of the biggest expense items employers have is health care. If Obama had wanted Medicare for all Americans, a) he had the machine to force the hand - millions of us willing to hit the streets, b) removing that expense from businesses would have had great benefit because the substantial cut in costs may have kept demand up even more. Yeah, we'd all be paying more payroll tax, but we already pay a huge payroll tax for healthcare (18.5% of gross in my case) - this 'tax' is called premiums and in my case covers shitty, rationed healthcare through an HMO that cares more about cutting costs than treating me.

There's no excuse for us not to have single payer, and Obama was wrong for taking it off the table. The great recession is simply not a causal factor in that.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
9. Is the gap between Congress and The People not gaping?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

The gap between how Congress votes and the needs of the American people is 'yuge'.

At his own political peril, Sanders is honest.

Congressional gridlock has meant government hasn't functioned for the bulk of Obama's presidency. That doesn't mean the President doesn't know what he's doing, it means he never found a way to overcome it.

Sec. Clinton is wrapping herself in the Obama flag - pandering before South Carolina.

Sen. Sanders could, but hasn't, taken issue with many things with which Sec. Clinton is dealing. DU knows the list, and its far more significant and extensive that that of Sanders. He has tried to avoid the cheap shot. This is one item in what will inevitably be a long list of cheap shots by the Clinton campaign.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
10. Bernie is right.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

To say that Obama has let down the American people on a number of issues is an understatement--as with HRC, he leads with compromises, which isn't a leader at all.

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