Superdelegates have no place in a supposedly "Democratic" Party.

[reformist2]

Despite the fact that she was trounced in the NH primary, the idea that Hillary can walk away with just as many total delegates supporting her as Bernie is totally disgusting, unfair, and most importantly un-democratic. These super-delegates have got to go.

But you Hillary supporters, keep bragging about her delegate count. It only puts a spotlight on the unfairness of the situation, and I believe it will only hasten real reform on this matter.

[scscholar]

1. Why shouldn't a party be allowed to pick its own candidate?

It is our party so we set the rules for our party. We decided who to support. Why are you demanding that we not pick our own candidate?

[CentralMass]

3. Do you realize what your are saying ?

Voters chose the nominee, not the party. Why bother having elections?

[LongTomH]

6. I thought it was supposed to be voters who pick the candidates?

I suppose that seems a hopelessly outmoded idea in these cynical days!

[reformist2]

7. You beg the question - who is the "we" that sets the rules? The voters, or the party elite?

[Duckhunter935]

9. then save the cost of voting

[blm]

2. Then work to change the process in the years BEFORE a prez primary. Some of the HRC supporters

now gloating were complaining loudly back in 2008. The gloating is not helpful and the complaining is not helpful from my point of view as a GOTV activist.

If you want change, commit to it beforehand, not DURING where it only serves to further division.

Experienced workers, delegates, and super delegates are lifting Sanders as they are lifting Clinton. Certainly in my circle, district, and state.

[99Forever]

14. Well isn't that fucking convenient?

the entrenched establishment rigs the game and then blames it on voters because they didn't stop them from rigging the game. How very fucking Rovian.

[Empowerer]

4. Sanders agreed to this process when he joined the party

He wants the party's resources, infrastructure and support, but now y'all are whining about the rules?

[CentralMass]

8. This is a voters rights issue.

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[Empowerer]

11. Then Sanders should have raised this long before it personally affected him.

Super delegates have been around for almost thirty years. But he didn't seem to have any concern about this "voting rights issue" until last week? Just when it happened to seem that it could be a problem for HIM?

I call bull.

[CentralMass]

16. This has nothing do do with any of the candidates in the race.

This is between the party and the voters.

[reformist2]

19. We can do what we want, but my OP points out the hypocrisy of calling ourselves "democratic".

[jonno99]

5. From what I can see, the 'superdelegate' scheme was put into place to ward off candidates

precisely like Bernie. The idea being that in the event a "mob" tried to foist a populist candidate onto the electorate, the cooler-headed & "wiser" elder states-persons in the party would, if need be, SLOW THAT TRAIN DOWN...

But is it "democratic"? No...

[shraby]

10. Superdelegates shouldn't come into the count until the primaries are over. Then they should

go with the one who won them.
Otherwise do away with them and quit trying to control the outcome of the voting process.

[PonyUp]

12. I'm keeping my torch unlit until I see what's going to happen at the convention. n/t

[MineralMan]

13. You should see how Democrats chose their nominee before 1968.

I remember that. It wasn't a pretty process, and far less democratic.

Here's the deal. Every superdelegate goes to the convention unpledged. They can vote for whichever candidate they wish. Some have said they support Clinton. That could change in each and every case.

The only pledged delegates are those selected in proportion to the primary vote. They must vote according to that primary vote. You can expect, this year, that there will be a majority of those pledged candidates by the convention. Just watch the pledged delegate count as primaries are held. That will give you a true picture of the actual pledged delegates.

The unpledged "superdelegates" don't count until the convention.

[reformist2]

15. 1968 was almost 50 years ago - time for a complete "democratic" overhaul of the system.

[MineralMan]

17. Cool. Have you been participating in Democratic organizations for years?

If so, get yourself elected to as a statewide party official. They're the ones who attend the conventions that set the rules. The party decides how it selects the presidential nominee. If you want to change that, do the work required to become a party leader. It takes a hella lotta work to do that, though. Thousands of hours of work and years of active participation.

Or, you could start a new party and become a leader right away. I see no other alternatives, frankly.

[onehandle]

18. ...unless they choose Bernie. nt

[msongs]

21. sanders crowd would love supers...if they were for bernie lol. nt

[reformist2]

22. I'm for real democracy... are you?