The Clinton Campaign is Disgusting

[Joe the Revelator]

I thought the race baiting in 2008 was bad.

http://theweek.com/articles/567774/hillary-clinton-needs-address-racist-undertones-2008-campaign

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/group-tell-clinton-to-stop-race-baiting/


But the stuff coming out today, the favors she's pulling in from people like John Lewis are beyond the pale. Today is the day that she should start to feel some shame, and her supporters should start thinking about what kind of candidate they want to put themselves behind.

Reference this thread by Bigtree (no beef with you Bigtree, I enjoy all of your posts since the M'OM era) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511201109

[virtualobserver]

1. That's a good one, Joe....Hillary feeling shame.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Yeah, I hold no hope, this has been her MO forever, and why I've never supported her. Ever.

But, she should feel shame. She should.

[HooptieWagon]

76. She's ammoral...I don't think shame is in her vocabulary.

[cali]

3. It's sad to see.

[TwilightGardener]

4. I don't think Bernie supporters should get too sucked in to the racial arguments.

Some of it is obviously meant to bait emotional Sanders supporters into looking condescending, racist, angry at blacks, etc. Kind of like the "Berniebros" thing was meant to elicit angry sexist comments which could be used against the campaign. Be careful, is all I'm saying. Don't denigrate African American leaders, be respectful in your disagreements. Bernie is simply going against an entrenched power structure and long-cultivated ties that Hillary is relying on.

[cali]

5. It's certainly a Catch-22

[TwilightGardener]

7. Yes--it's important to respond to an outright misrepresentation of facts or a character attack

on Sanders, but to do it in an unemotional, reasoned, and respectful way.

[roguevalley]

46. when the south carolina vote is in, this race stuff will be shown one way or another for what it is.

personally, I have a lot of faith in all people to do their best for themselves and this country. Anyone who uses people's greatest fears and their situations for personal gain will find a 'special place in hell' waiting for them. It may not come out the way some intend when the last vote is counted. Be calm. Be patient. Let them scream. Don't feed the flames. Wait for the goodness of the American people to tell the tale.

[Voice for Peace]

69. +++ good advice

[Vinca]

6. Good point. I've heard speculation that the "Berniebros" are not really pro Bernie.

Considering the stench on the surface of the Clinton campaign, anything is possible below ground.

[Kip Humphrey]

37. given the Hillary camp made up the term it would not surprise me if they hired actors to

play the part too.

[scottie55]

62. That's What I Was Thinking

Berniebros hired to trash his name.

The Big Dog is already calling 'them" out.

I don't trust anything anonymous.

Remember, never trust anything you read on the internet tubes......

Sometimes the shit is just too obvious.

[retrowire]

26. Exactly.

Race relations cannot find a solution when we divide one another everytime we try and speak.

And you know what that leads to? Silence.

[m-lekktor]

8. Very much so. They wallow in sewage. nt

[LondonReign2]

59. And her followers DON'T.FUCKING.CARE

They are right there, wallowing in the sewage with her with smiles on their faces.

[NCTraveler]

9. John Lewis rocks and the insinuation being made here sucks. nt.

[Punkingal]

12. John Lewis is a hero, not a saint.

[NCTraveler]

15. OK. Don't recall calling him a saint. nt.

[Punkingal]

18. No, you didn't, but my point is he can be criticized. That's all.

[NCTraveler]

20. I never said he couldn't. nt.

[scottie55]

64. Bernie Is Fighting For The Same Kind Of Fundamental Change Of The System Lewis Fought For

It amazes me Lewis doesn't understand this.

Something wrong here....

No way Hillary can make anyone's lives better without a bunch of new faces in the Senate and House.

Her base, the over 70 crowd always votes.

It't the youngsters that will change the course of this country.

Don't have to look to hard to understand these facts.

[NCTraveler]

66. "It amazes me Lewis doesn't understand this. "

Lewis fully understands this. It's why he is supporting Clinton. He would like progress, not setbacks. He wants a strong economy, not depression. He want someone with the clout to change things, not someone with no clout, meaningful coalition, respect, or track record of meaningful accomplishments considering the length of Sanders career in politics. Sanders is currently the only career politician running on the dem side. I understand his decision fully. Makes perfect sense.

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. IOWs ...

John Lewis knows, and has worked with, HRC, personally. He, also, knows, and has worked with, Sabers, personally.

Based on that knowledge, he chooses to side with HRC.

I trust his discernment.

[m-lekktor]

16. John Lewis is a CAREER POLITICIAN who can be criticized like any other.

His civil rights "hero" status from 50 years ago does NOT inoculate him from criticism as a politician. to imply otherwise by shaming people is RIDICULOUS.

[NCTraveler]

19. Bernie Sanders is a career politician.

I never said Lewis should be inoculated from criticism.

[m-lekktor]

34. "I never said I never said" yeah you did and i responded.

and yeah I know Bernie is a career politician I am not sure where you got the impression I thought he wasn't.

[NCTraveler]

51. False accusation once again. I never said what you are debating against.

It's like you just stopped in to debate yourself for a minute.

"I never said Lewis should be inoculated from criticism. "

Should be one of the easiest things to prove. You can't because I simply never said it. Claim what you want. That is on you.

[PatrynXX]

56. well you can insinuate all you want but the insinuation is you did :( n/t

[NCTraveler]

61. Back it up. Simple as can be.

You are making a one hundred percent false claim directed at me. Nice. lol.

Quote or link?

[thereismore]

36. Part of the establishment now. How things change. nt

[peggysue2]

68. Ditto!

John Lewis is a Civil Rights Icon. With the scars to prove it. Disrespecting the man is a grave error in judgment by any measure.

[Jarqui]

10. Bill Clinton on Obama: “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/10/lets-be-friends

Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

[bigwillq]

11. The Clintons are disquisting. Period.

They have been for a long time.

[cali]

21. They really are contemptible

[TheProgressive]

13. It is disgusting how low the Clinton campaign can go...

How can *anybody* support Clinton with all her awful dirty tricks.

I know the saying 'all is fair in love and politics', BUT, do you
really want a Democratic president who has to resort to such
dirty tricks?

[Punkingal]

14. Yes!

[Jefferson23]

17. Don't sweat it too much, this is what Bernie expected and reiterated the night he won NH.

The establishment does not desire this change, and they don't seem to
realize yet that even if he loses, it won't be going back the way it was before Bernie
ran.

[workinclasszero]

22. "..the favors she's pulling in from people like John Lewis are beyond the pale."

You are the one that should be ashamed to drag John Lewis through the mud!

How damned low can the BS campaign get anyway?

[Joe the Revelator]

23. John Lewis is not beyond critique. I am a fan of his. Have been since I lived in GA and saw the bs

...he was put through. But that was a bullshit answer by him today and an obvious favor to Clinton. Don't get it twisted.

[Dustlawyer]

24. What he did with his statement was to call Bernie a liar!

He can always back track it a little after the damage is done and say I don't recall him from 50 years ago, or "I never met him."

[TTUBatfan2008]

28. Someone should ask him...

About the implication in his statement that he met the Clintons in the 1960's. Hillary was a Goldwater campaigner. Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. I'm looking forward to saying goodbye to the Clinton Era.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. You and me both. They are terrible for the party.

[LovingA2andMI]

47. This^^^^^

Sooner than Later.

[MuseRider]

55. Me too.

I am so very tired of this kind of behavior.

[Nedsdag]

29. The Clintons are disgusting? Really?

Please tell me something that I didn't know.

[DCBob]

30. This post is disgusting and should be deleted.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Great rebuttal. I've totally changed my mind.

[DCBob]

35. Doubt anything would change your biased mind.

[Logical]

39. Alert it or quit whining! Nt

[DCBob]

40. I dont alert.

[Logical]

88. But you do whine. nt

[DCBob]

89. I like wine..

but I dont normally whine.. except to my wife.

[m-lekktor]

41. It's a great post I wish I could recommend it more than once!

[DCBob]

42. You have no idea.

[ejbr]

32. How John Lewis

could attempt to slyly besmirch the integrity of someone who was in the fight during difficult times is disgusting.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Is slyly besmirching like artful smearing, or nah?

[ejbr]

74. Yes?

[Helen Borg]

33. What I think of the Clinton Campaign

[LovingA2andMI]

48. Let Me Add...

[hifiguy]

87. Let me add

[ViseGrip]

38. Worst campaign I have ever seen!

I will never ever vote for Hillary Clinton. EVER! The U.S. they helped to shape sucks due to their policies!

[KingCharlemagne]

49. Hey VG, I know it hurts but if the GE is Clinton vs. Cruz, please tell me you will

vote for Clinton. Sometimes, as adults, we must vote AGAINST the greater evil.

[senz]

43. They want one thing and one thing only. For themselves, solely for themselves.

It is why they amassed a huge fortune, built a formidable power base, and cultivated a reputation for revenge.

They want this thing. They will do anything to get it.

Like all forms of insanity, it is highly disturbing to behold.

[pnwmom]

44. There is nothing shameful about the many decades of friendship John Lewis has had

with Hillary and Bill.

Or with Hillary's endorsement by the political arm of the Congressional Black Caucus, almost all of the members of which had already personally endorsed her.

[KingCharlemagne]

50. Um, you mean the CBC

SUPER PAC, right? There is no such thing as "the political arm of the Congressional Black Caucus".

[pnwmom]

53. No, I don't. The Congressional Black Caucus doesn't have a Super PAC.

A Super PAC and a PAC are different entities.

In this case, Hillary was endorsed by the political arm -- the Political Action Committee or PAC -- of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Not an independent "super PAC."

[KingCharlemagne]

58. You know, I'm not conceding your point here, but I will concede that I do not

pretend to have the final word on this matter. There does seem to be a lot of disagreement even here over whether this was a regular PAC or a Super PAC. The thread linked to below references an installment on Democracy Now:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511199614

[pnwmom]

67. That is just a link to another DUer who doesn't understand the difference

between a Super PAC and a PAC, and is incorrectly using the terms interchangeably.

But there is no question that the Political Action Committee of the Congressional Black Caucus is a PAC and that it has endorsed Hillary.

[libdem4life]

71. There is also a difference between the PAC and the Congressional Black Caucus.

The Caucus members are not involved, were not a part of it or endorse the endorsement. Super or no...it's still a PAC and it's not in any way connected with the members of Congress who are members of the Congressional Black Caucus...as I understand it.

[questionseverything]

52. not all tho

Not all CBC members have embraced the Clinton endorsement. Speaking this morning on Democracy Now, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., a CBC member, said she has not endorsed in Democratic primary, and reminded viewers that the CBC “has nothing to do with the” CBC PAC, which is a legally distinct entity. NBC Capitol Hill producer Frank Thorp tweeted that Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., was one of two abstentions on the CBC PAC board.

[MFM008]

54. For those who say

They will never vote for HRC, really? Is Donald Trump or Ted Cruz or Rubio better? I dont understand, I support Hillary but am reasonable enough to consider Sanders if he is the nominee. I will never NOT vote. That falls into the republicans plans to steal elections. Its MY vote and as much as I hate Sanders is as OLD as he is and is six years older than my dad was when he died and has all these great ideas and will never be able to pay for them because of the gop in congress. I will vote for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. Get with it or really suffer when the gop takes over all 3 branches of government.

[Mike Nelson]

57. This implies John Lewsis can't think for himself...

...or, if capable of independent thought, what is it that the Clintons have on him? Personally, I think John Lewis decided to make this statement on his own. He's an adult and knows what he's doing. He clearly added a coda which put down Bernie Sanders, but going after John Lewis for this is a mistake.

[Joe the Revelator]

63. Follow Lewis' career. This isn't his style. It is however the style of Clinton campaigns.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

60. I'm going to assume the poster of this topic is not a Democrat.

Bernie's chastising of negativity toward Hillary falls on deaf ears. He alone among his movement realizes that a Democrat must win and therefore be careful about what you say. It may cone back to bite you.

[Joe the Revelator]

65. You know what happens when you assume...however I am proud to say I am not a Clinton

democrat. Not with these type of tactics. That's not what I'm about.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

70. The Clinton Machine lays waste to the most energized part of the Democratic base

no regard for the future

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. It's politics-as-usual from a politics-as-usual politician.

The very thing that Bernie is trying to rid us of....at last.

[libdem4life]

73. Clinton is unelectable, IMO.

The first Big Three for now...Steinham, Albright and now Lewis...have been asked to make fools of themselves. Steinham half-assed apologized, Albright, who knows, and Lewis...time will tell. And, it's only beginning.

What's worse, is it is fodder for comedians and cartoonists. I remember the comedians lamenting how no more GWB would cut into their material. His was out of ignorance and unwittingness. HRC's stunts are out of intelligence and shadiness. It's time Bernie started calling her out...but he doesn't. Just a recap of her unfortunate and circular past record is termed smearing and attack...so she goes on the counter attack.

Voters...experienced, inexperienced, or would-be... Get This.

[Beacool]

75. Ahhh, this place is a riot.

AA leaders come out in support of Hillary Clinton and you insult her, and by inference, you insult them too.

Thanks, keep it coming. That will sure bring out voters for Sanders.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. LOL ...

AA leaders come out in support of Hillary Clinton and you insult her, and by inference, you insult them too.

When they are not just insulting the AA Leaders directly.

[Beacool]

79. Yeah, John Lewis has been trashed all over the internet by Sanders' supporters.

Do they really think that this is helping their cause?

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. They must ...

this is his 2nd DU drubbing for being an infidel.

[Joe the Revelator]

82. This is such bullshit...

A. Someone claims Bernie is a liar
B. That person happens to be a PoC
C. The person who made the silly allegation is called out for said bullshit
D. Lectures start about how calling out person who made the bullshit claim is racist

It's mind blowing really.

[d_legendary1]

80. Why did John Lewis do this?

Wasn't Clinton a Goldwater girl at the time he specified meeting the Clintons? I honestly do not understand.

[Nonhlanhla]

83. You know what is funny?

This thread accuses the Clintons of being disgusting, and yet the only disgusting behavior I've seen today has come from Bernie supporters. This very thread paradoxically proves the point.

[Beacool]

84. Hear, hear!!!

The whole day, one insulting thread after the other against John Lewis and the Black Caucus.

Wow........

[Joe the Revelator]

85. How so? Am I throwing the kitchen sink?

or just giving an opinion on a campaign gone bad?

[hifiguy]

86. There is always a new low to be sunk to.

Stick around.

[youceyec]

90. Only

desperate folks would keep talking about the year 2008 when its actually 2016!

[Joe the Revelator]

91. Not when history repeats itself.