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Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:00 PM Feb 2016

John Lewis on Bernie Sanders' work in the civil rights movement: "I never saw him. I never met him."

Darren Sands ?@darrensands 1h1 hour ago
Rep. John Lewis on @BernieSanders work in the civil rights movement: "I never saw him. I never met him."


Darren Sands ?@darrensands 1h1 hour ago
As John Lewis said he never met or saw Bernie Sanders during his time in the civil rights movement, people in this room GASPED.


from Buzzfeed:


A reporter, noting Sanders’ involvement with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the 1960s, asked Lewis, about Sanders’ record in the civil rights movement.

Sanders has made his history as a participant in the March on Washington and as a student organizer in SNCC a part of his campaign.

“Well, to be very frank, I don’t want to cut you off, but I know where it’s going,” Lewis said.

As Lewis began to lean into his answer, the room tensed, and someone let out an “uh oh.”

“I never saw him. I never met him,” Lewis continued. “I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for 3 years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed to voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton.”

Lewis’ comments drew applause from some members of the audience.

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John Lewis on Bernie Sanders' work in the civil rights movement: "I never saw him. I never met him." (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
bern! boston bean Feb 2016 #1
That's probably what will happen in Philadelphia, John Poet Feb 2016 #165
my cousin was a freedom rider in Mississippi. I doubt he saw her too but she was there to do roguevalley Feb 2016 #173
When CBC called for support against the disenfranchisement of the black vote in Florida...SBS there! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #166
Thanks! Duval Feb 2016 #194
So why doesn't the CBC PAC OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #295
You'd have to ask them. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #303
There is probably many thousands of activists he didn't meet. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #2
not less honorable, but possibly less self sacrificing. boston bean Feb 2016 #5
'bernsplain race'...wtf HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #9
Very disingenuous of Lewis! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #94
yeah thats the clinton bros PatrynXX Feb 2016 #221
Consider the source. n/t Gore1FL Feb 2016 #260
"berniesplain"? Please speak English. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #32
Sounds like an "artful smear" to me, that perhaps a wordsmith like Luntz (or Brock) suggest be used. Akamai Feb 2016 #223
Berniesplain is applying logic to facts and telling the truth without reservation. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #261
If someone asks what Sanders has done for AAs,... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #37
BernieSplain - is that the kinder, gentler version of HillShill? nt MattSh Feb 2016 #67
Well, there's also "Hillary-Splaining", John Poet Feb 2016 #170
bwahahaha! Hillshit and the like. Love it. This wouldn't be news to my cousin Debby roguevalley Feb 2016 #178
Bernie was working for CORE while Clinton was working for Goldwater Bernblu Feb 2016 #271
I can see how him not supporting your favored candidate would boston bean Feb 2016 #272
John Lewis is my congressmen and this was a very low point for him. Dawgs Feb 2016 #305
Truly. Orrex Feb 2016 #73
No, but John Lewis met the Clintons before Bill got his first job in politics. pnwmom Feb 2016 #108
Fair enough. That's probably why he remembers them. Orrex Feb 2016 #116
Since both were in the house for decades, Bernie had ample opportunity oasis Feb 2016 #188
When John Lewis was president of SNCC Hillary was a Goldwater girl. zeemike Feb 2016 #258
Uh, Bernie wasn't famous then. nt valerief Feb 2016 #3
^^^This. artislife Feb 2016 #26
+1 dchill Feb 2016 #291
Just cuz he didn't see him, doesn't mean he wasn't there. Bernie was arrested ViseGrip Feb 2016 #128
And many activists remain in background and unmemorable until they DO become known. blm Feb 2016 #129
Neither were the Clintons Tarc Feb 2016 #198
What does that have to do with the OP re Bernie and John Lewis? valerief Feb 2016 #201
You said Bernie wasn't famous then Tarc Feb 2016 #205
This message was self-deleted by its author Tarc Feb 2016 #203
And it continues.. SheenaR Feb 2016 #4
Carefully trying to diminish Bernie. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #6
I don't know why I get all riled up SheenaR Feb 2016 #19
I surprised that John Lewis would participate in this kind of thing. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #24
Disappointing.. disillusioned73 Feb 2016 #35
me too dana_b Feb 2016 #78
Swiftboating 101. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #45
Are you serious? Rep. Lewis saying that he never saw Sanders then is NOT "swiftboating" Empowerer Feb 2016 #80
it's a text book example my friend….. smiley Feb 2016 #104
Not swiftboating. dchill Feb 2016 #120
Ok, not swiftboating angrychair Feb 2016 #153
This smear isn't even artful... casperthegm Feb 2016 #8
Yes it is bullshit. Inferring Bernie is lying without actually saying it. Punkingal Feb 2016 #11
Be careful, John Lewis is One Who Can Never Be Criticized. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #17
My answer to that is he is a hero, but not a saint. Punkingal Feb 2016 #27
Except it's not very artful. Volaris Feb 2016 #119
With all due respect to Rep. Lewis oh08dem Feb 2016 #7
Considering Bernie didn't have a political career until 1989 artislife Feb 2016 #30
This ^^^ dorkzilla Feb 2016 #97
John Lewis met Bill Clinton in the 70's, before Clinton had his first job in politics. pnwmom Feb 2016 #118
And that, of course, translates into the Clintons slogging in the trenches for civil rights nichomachus Feb 2016 #172
They both got law degrees and Hillary immediately went to work for the Children's Defense pnwmom Feb 2016 #181
Of course she did nichomachus Feb 2016 #197
Marian Edelman gave all the edification I needed when she chose to support Hillary 2016. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #202
Yes those poor dears have lost so much in their political careers. They're paupers Armstead Feb 2016 #252
Not after she failed the D.C. Bar exam & only passed the Arkansas bar Divernan Feb 2016 #257
LOL. Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't pass it the first time. Ever hear of him? Or CA Gov. Jerry Brown? pnwmom Feb 2016 #274
I gave an example/bar passage not conclusive re career success. Can't you read? Divernan Feb 2016 #288
So what? She was a top graduate from two top schools and could have gotten a job pnwmom Feb 2016 #290
You just keep digging yourself in deeper Divernan Feb 2016 #293
I know how it works. And, as you said, she would have been hired before taking any exam, pnwmom Feb 2016 #294
"She could have gotten a job with a top law firm..." Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #281
With no experience, made partner after ONE Year! Nepotism rules! Divernan Feb 2016 #289
No. 1981 cali Feb 2016 #269
Meanwhile... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #39
Yes, the attack is intended to distract from an uncomfortable fact. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #48
Could he give us a complete list aspirant Feb 2016 #10
exactly! this means nothing renate Feb 2016 #61
Along with the vast, vast majority moondust Feb 2016 #12
Damn, that's cold. Orsino Feb 2016 #13
Good question. He seems to remember it that way. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #134
They're pulling out all of the kitchen sinks..not just one. lol Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #14
I'm not surprised that John Lewis did not meet Bernie at that time. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #15
Hmm, I thought Bernie was working with SNCC in Chicago. Not sure where KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #20
He has said that while he was working with CORE, he helped raise some money for SNCC. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #23
K&R - please consider making this an OP. kristopher Feb 2016 #49
John Lewis met the Clintons in the 70's, before Bill even entered politics -- pnwmom Feb 2016 #190
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #16
It's not legitimate work unless he met John Lewis? arcane1 Feb 2016 #18
GASP! nt thereismore Feb 2016 #111
Well, this is awkward...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #21
Indeed. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #28
Why, specifically? cyberswede Feb 2016 #66
For John Lewis, maybe. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #100
Thanks John, for letting us know that you care more about your political career ladjf Feb 2016 #22
Maybe John Lewis can explain pinebox Feb 2016 #25
Did Bernie claim to know Lewis in the 60's? bunnies Feb 2016 #29
Implications and ambiguity are not a coinicidence, bunnies. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #36
I cant believe its gotten so ridiculous so soon. bunnies Feb 2016 #42
They're hoping whatever they throw, sticks. NH was a rude awakening and then all the Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #46
Well, they better brace themselves because the money isnt going to stop. bunnies Feb 2016 #57
No it won't and the risk is obvious, people check online all kinds of info and it may Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #64
Yep. Exactly. bunnies Feb 2016 #76
That would barely make a dent when thrown. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #51
That one is probably up next, the day is young my friend. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #54
I've never heard him make this claim. I've also never heard him claim that he "Marched with Martin" Empowerer Feb 2016 #38
I've never heard Bernie make those claims either. bunnies Feb 2016 #53
It's pervasive and obnoxious Empowerer Feb 2016 #63
Thats unforunate. bunnies Feb 2016 #75
I agree. What Bernie did in the 60s was admirable and praiseworthy Empowerer Feb 2016 #79
I agree with you 100%. bunnies Feb 2016 #82
We have found common ground . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #158
Feels good doesnt it? bunnies Feb 2016 #162
He didn't literally "march" with MLK Jarqui Feb 2016 #74
No, he didn't march with Dr. King and I've never heard him claim that he did Empowerer Feb 2016 #89
In my book, if you show up to support a protest like that and the "verb" that Jarqui Feb 2016 #93
I don't begrudge him - I think it's misleading and insulting to the people who really DID march Empowerer Feb 2016 #145
I think he did and still does view the class struggle as paramount pnwmom Feb 2016 #199
Depends on how you define civil rights I guess. Armstead Feb 2016 #253
Your Post# 145 is a real eye opener. Thanks Empowerer. nt oasis Feb 2016 #275
And Hillary Clinton did those things while also campaigning for Goldwater? OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #297
I was at teh march on Washington, I sincerely doubt if anyone else there remembers me. hollysmom Feb 2016 #81
That must have been an amazing experience Kentonio Feb 2016 #87
Nope, not that exciting, didn't see much because in among taller union men, didn't hear much, hollysmom Feb 2016 #121
Hey, not stupid at all. Kentonio Feb 2016 #149
OH, I was invited to something called woodstock when I was young by a guy I just met. hollysmom Feb 2016 #169
Haha, you could have had instant cool cred for that one! Kentonio Feb 2016 #185
on the other hand,I don't like being dirty, cold and hungry either. hollysmom Feb 2016 #189
Wow, that would definitely have been worse! Kentonio Feb 2016 #196
Do you go around claiming that you "marched with Dr. King" as proof of your civil rights activism? Empowerer Feb 2016 #90
But I have heard many others that described it as their experience hollysmom Feb 2016 #126
It may be just an expression, but in this context, precision is everything Empowerer Feb 2016 #179
I disagree, I think we should stick to facts to reduce the animosity here hollysmom Feb 2016 #183
What Sanders said is true, but his supporters' claim that he marched with Dr. King is false Empowerer Feb 2016 #204
ok, if someone was saying they linked arms - not true, but if someone said "marched with King:" it hollysmom Feb 2016 #264
You're right. But the purpose of telling the story this way is to suggest that Bernie was more Empowerer Feb 2016 #266
So what do you think about the photo in #200 Mnpaul Feb 2016 #302
This message was self-deleted by its author thereismore Feb 2016 #124
Ouch mcar Feb 2016 #31
Woe.... quickesst Feb 2016 #33
I love John Lewis but this is nutty. Why on earth would he have met him? cali Feb 2016 #34
Bernie was a student civil rights protester like thousands of civil rights protesters. Vinca Feb 2016 #40
"Oh, wait, she was a Goldwater girl then." - lol... dana_b Feb 2016 #47
Kitchen's already been gutted. HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #228
"Civil Riots protestor"? Your auto-correct function may have tripped you up, but it's "Civil Rights" Hekate Feb 2016 #109
Wow . . . I must have had a brain fart. I'll correct it. Vinca Feb 2016 #232
Don't ever question someone's cynicism again Bok_Tukalo Feb 2016 #41
Responses: "Abada abada abada - Well, Bernie was too modest to make himself too obvious to the Empowerer Feb 2016 #43
He has never claimed that he marched with Dr. King. cali Feb 2016 #52
No, to his credit, he has NEVER claimed to have marched with Dr. King - But that hasn't stopped his Empowerer Feb 2016 #62
No, those aren't the responses. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #133
Damn!!! Beacool Feb 2016 #44
So John Lewis is expected to know everyone who participated in the civil rights movement? Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #50
So is he basically saying liberals do/should take progressive action solely to be famous/known? MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #55
So he met ever single volunteer? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #56
He only met the legitimate volunteers. AKA the ones who supported Clinton years later. arcane1 Feb 2016 #72
There're those ugly insinuations Hillary accused Bernie of in Rove-like fashion. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #58
I saw John Lewis in Montgomery in 1965. MineralMan Feb 2016 #59
Here's a newspaper record to refresh John Lewis' memory FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #60
"Ouch!" "Wow!" "Damn!" dana_b Feb 2016 #69
I don't mind these attacks Mnpaul Feb 2016 #299
^^^^^^^ RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE!!!^^^^^ dorkzilla Feb 2016 #114
It can't refresh Lewis's memory of a meeting that never took place. pnwmom Feb 2016 #127
From the way Lewis said it I figured he met Hillary when she was a Goldwater girl rurallib Feb 2016 #246
Yeah, right. When she was a high school student. No you didn't think that. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #248
No one is claiming Bernie wasn't involved in the race struggles of the past.. DCBob Feb 2016 #138
.... or he was actually DOING THE WORK, not making it a resume-padder ... Myrina Feb 2016 #174
I don't think that would have been necessary to get noticed. DCBob Feb 2016 #182
And the Clintons, during this time period, were doing what exactly? StandingInLeftField Feb 2016 #226
Please make this a separate post! nt thereismore Feb 2016 #191
Wow! Great catch! Duval Feb 2016 #209
“I never saw him. I never met him,” Lewis continued. workinclasszero Feb 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #83
All you need to know is that Lewis never met Sanders and that proves??? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #132
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #68
Sad that a real hero of the Civil Rights Movement..... George II Feb 2016 #144
This man has smeared himself by climbing into the Clinton's sewer. frylock Feb 2016 #159
How are their words in conflict? DaveT Feb 2016 #242
Blister raising bern! Alfresco Feb 2016 #70
Photographic evidence shows that Bernie participated... retrowire Feb 2016 #88
links? Alfresco Feb 2016 #92
...are you serious? retrowire Feb 2016 #102
I believe John Lewis who said he never saw him. R B Garr Feb 2016 #224
He's got an arrest record from being in marches Arazi Feb 2016 #115
Some questions for Rep. Lewis matt819 Feb 2016 #71
This. Good work. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #86
Associate with the Clinton's -->>tarnish your reputation FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #140
Did Bernie claim he had met John Lewis? I don't remember hearing that claim. Autumn Feb 2016 #77
Once again, we see how the Clintons seem to bring out the best in people. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #84
They do seem to have an ennobling influence n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #101
I'd laugh but I'm just furious. "You foot soldiers don't mean nothing to me!" nt thereismore Feb 2016 #143
"Welcome to Camp Clinton. "Please check your character at the door." Armstead Feb 2016 #254
We've got photographic proof of Bernie's actions sooo... retrowire Feb 2016 #85
You never saw him, never met him - so what? Bernie was an activist during the civil rights movement jillan Feb 2016 #91
Sanders claimed no leadership position. karynnj Feb 2016 #98
Bill met Lewis in the 70s. Skwmom Feb 2016 #95
He met Clinton when she was a Goldwater girl? Chakab Feb 2016 #96
I just saw this clip on MSNBC! Am just about laughing my ass off.... Hekate Feb 2016 #99
Please give us a time-line... StandingInLeftField Feb 2016 #230
How sad. I admire John Lewis. Surely he can support Hillary w/o demeaning Sanders Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #103
Along with millions of other civil rights activists he didn't meet. NT Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #105
It seems to be a repeating pattern Sheepshank Feb 2016 #106
Is this tangible enough for you? unapatriciated Feb 2016 #187
Bernie accomplished nothing.... but likes to ride on the coats tails of those who do accomplish Sheepshank Feb 2016 #259
Cool story Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #277
Exactly! Empowerer Feb 2016 #283
I went to a funeral in November... dorkzilla Feb 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author thereismore Feb 2016 #110
Wow. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2016 #112
That's exactly what I thought was going to happen bravenak Feb 2016 #113
Rep. John Lewis BernieBroed stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #117
This. MrWendel Feb 2016 #155
John Lewis BerniBroed hard indeed carburyme Feb 2016 #263
AKA Character assassination workinclasszero Feb 2016 #298
Really disappointing Arazi Feb 2016 #122
Ouch. DCBob Feb 2016 #123
heads up John Lewis rbrnmw Feb 2016 #125
I was living in Montgomery at that time. snort Feb 2016 #130
Well then you obviously don't count. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #146
Dammit! I wanted to count. snort Feb 2016 #171
Please proceed, Hillary! We know you put John Lewis up to this. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #177
I bet Rep. John Lewis hasn't met Barack Obama in the 60's either. Don't mean much. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #131
SNCC had thousands of members all over the country... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #135
While he may not have met everyone, it is certain he didn't meet the Goldwater Girl at a march. nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #136
It doesn't matter ejbr Feb 2016 #137
Establishment reeks from this statement. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #139
No surprise... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #141
Look for the Clintons to get uglier and uglier as they lose ground... I remember Hillary got so AzDar Feb 2016 #142
I think this is being blown a little out of proportion firebrand80 Feb 2016 #147
Maybe, in the 'olden days,' but elleng Feb 2016 #148
CLINTONS! Why are you dragging John Lewis into the muck with you? Is nothing of value to you? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #150
There Is Only One Response To This Thread.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #151
Amazing how the Sanders people are now trashing John Lewis, one of our greatest liberal leaders. DCBob Feb 2016 #152
Bernie's involvement in the civil rights movement HAS to be a fiction whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #154
Well, in all my 35 years of supporting the Democratic party, John Poet Feb 2016 #156
I have met him.. he's an amazing man, incredible speaker and a tremendous liberal leader. DCBob Feb 2016 #164
How many consecutive years has Lewis been in Congress now? jalan48 Feb 2016 #157
E s t a b l i s h m e n t. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #180
I call bullshit on that claim tularetom Feb 2016 #160
^^^ Absolutely!!! ^^^ SoapBox Feb 2016 #212
Huh.... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #161
I never thought Lewis would stoop that low Armstead Feb 2016 #163
What's low about it?? I am sure its the truth. DCBob Feb 2016 #167
Did you see it? Armstead Feb 2016 #243
Lets look at the history... SusanLarson Feb 2016 #168
sanders supporters are hurting bernie captainarizona Feb 2016 #175
Thanks for your concern. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #193
I respect John Lewis ,but vehemently disagree Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #176
Are you insinuating that he is lying? DCBob Feb 2016 #195
Please see post 200. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #210
Hardly answers my question. DCBob Feb 2016 #213
Bait all you want, I ain't biting. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #214
Baiting?? Just trying to understand what you are saying. DCBob Feb 2016 #216
You did not ask what I disagree with John Lewis on Truprogressive85 Feb 2016 #219
Thank you for the clarification. DCBob Feb 2016 #220
Ok maindawg Feb 2016 #184
The was the CBC's PAC not the CBC that endorsed Hillary. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #186
20 Examples Of Bernie’s Record on Civil and Human Rights..... dorkzilla Feb 2016 #192
This John Lewis, standing with Bernie and his wife? PonyUp Feb 2016 #200
Exactly! Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #208
But, I Thought.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #215
John Lewis will be tossed under the bus again for this Tarc Feb 2016 #206
Maybe this is what happens when you take your eyes off the prize, Congressman. jtuck004 Feb 2016 #207
Did he meet Hillary zentrum Feb 2016 #211
Darren Sands on Twitter... SoapBox Feb 2016 #217
I will continue to respect John Lewis MuseRider Feb 2016 #218
Grammar can help here Z_California Feb 2016 #222
^^^^^ MuseRider Feb 2016 #229
Rec this post ^ FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #280
Lewis Endorsed Secretary Clinton Billsmile Feb 2016 #225
Hillary keeps saying she ran for president in 2008 Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #227
No doubt in my mind that John Lewis is questioning Bernie's bona fides as a civil rights activist. Zen Democrat Feb 2016 #231
On John Lewis' comments people Feb 2016 #233
Shaun King on John Lewis' comment people Feb 2016 #238
Clinton had quite a following back then ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #234
Growing up in Arkansas moondust Feb 2016 #287
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #235
I was member of SNCC and I never met John Lewis or Hillary or Bill. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #236
But it is great that you got involved Mnpaul Feb 2016 #300
In Fact, John Lewis Did Not Support The Barack Obama... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #237
S0 John Lewis did not support Obama... Sienna86 Feb 2016 #241
No Problem!! LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #249
Ouch! Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #244
Lewis endorsed Obama in the primaries Empowerer Feb 2016 #255
The Primaries Were In 2007/2008.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #256
There is even room under the bus for John Lewis iandhr Feb 2016 #239
Wild that Lewis remembers meeting Bill Clinton while Bill was in college at Georgetown. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #240
one interpretation: he wasn't looking for attention back then, and the Clintons already were paulkienitz Feb 2016 #245
I'm sure John Lewis was not the only person there... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #247
Good Lord, the silliness never stops. Vattel Feb 2016 #250
Wow -- closing in on 250 replies DaveT Feb 2016 #251
Sickening. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #262
I trust John Lewis on this issue Gothmog Feb 2016 #265
What the hell does that mean? DaveT Feb 2016 #306
Everyone is going under the bus now. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #267
They're going to need a fleet of buses. DesertRat Feb 2016 #276
Shocking development... Bryce Butler Feb 2016 #268
I'm not sure why this picture, taken last year, is relevant to this discussion Empowerer Feb 2016 #270
Maybe they think people wont notice it's from last year. DCBob Feb 2016 #285
You're right - maybe they're hoping people will think it was taken in March 1965 Empowerer Feb 2016 #286
Bernie's history is well documented and readily available in the public record Stainless Feb 2016 #273
Seems to me the two would have personally exchanged civil rights oasis Feb 2016 #278
That can't be true BainsBane Feb 2016 #279
Not my man John Lewis. Not my man John Lewis. Tell me it ain't so. Why John Why? johnlucas Feb 2016 #282
Excellent fund raiser for Bernie left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #284
I know John Lewis and he is a hero, but OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #292
It's a shame Mr Lewis didn't watch himself in American Blackout Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #296
Is he claiming he met the Clintons in 1963 to 1966? SHRED Feb 2016 #301
Shame on you John, shame on you... 2banon Feb 2016 #304

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
173. my cousin was a freedom rider in Mississippi. I doubt he saw her too but she was there to do
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

her best. So was Bernie.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
166. When CBC called for support against the disenfranchisement of the black vote in Florida...SBS there!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

.







.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
295. So why doesn't the CBC PAC
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

want to talk about that? If John Lewis was there, he had to see Bernie's white face. I see Barbara Lee, John Conyers, Sheila Jackson Lee, what looks like the side of Jesse Jackson's head . . . and Bernie!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. There is probably many thousands of activists he didn't meet.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

Are the contributions of the foot-soldiers any less honorable than the leaders?

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
5. not less honorable, but possibly less self sacrificing.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:07 PM
Feb 2016

I think the back lash you will see is because Bernie has allowed his supporters to berniesplain race and what is best for black people to black people, by not putting his own contribution into perspective.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
94. Very disingenuous of Lewis!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

So he is basically saying Bernie made it up. Mr. Lewis, I hope those donations you got from Hillary's big corporate Donors was worth your credibility!

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
221. yeah thats the clinton bros
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

depressing major turnoffs fingers in ears sort of thing pretty bad day for John Lewis too. , that he can be used

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
223. Sounds like an "artful smear" to me, that perhaps a wordsmith like Luntz (or Brock) suggest be used.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

Of course maybe others should "shrillsplain" too! Stoopid to be get involved in such obvious and trivial attacks.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
261. Berniesplain is applying logic to facts and telling the truth without reservation.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

The opposite of Clinton speak.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
37. If someone asks what Sanders has done for AAs,...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

Then you can't claim a response is 'Berniesplaining'. And in any case, making an argument for candidate A is no different than making an argument for candidate B. You are simply demanding one side be silenced. Doesn't work that way.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
178. bwahahaha! Hillshit and the like. Love it. This wouldn't be news to my cousin Debby
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:48 PM
Feb 2016

who was freedom rider in Mississippi. He didn't meet her either but she was a rural kid who went to do good just like Bernie. I'm sorry he can't appreciate that. Very disappointing because I love this man.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
271. Bernie was working for CORE while Clinton was working for Goldwater
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

who wanted to end Civil Rights in the South.

John Lewis could have said something like "I commend Senator Sanders for the work he did in the Civil Rights movement but I am supporting Clinton for President."

The fact that he handled it the way he did is very disappointing.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
272. I can see how him not supporting your favored candidate would
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:53 PM
Feb 2016

be disappointing.

Doesn't mean he doesn't get to say how feels. That should be respected.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
305. John Lewis is my congressmen and this was a very low point for him.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

Calling Bernie a liar and doing it in such a sleazy way is really beneath him. I was very disappointed by it.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
73. Truly.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

Did he go out of his way to meet and remember every person who might someday figure on the national stage?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
108. No, but John Lewis met the Clintons before Bill got his first job in politics.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

So he's had a decades long friendship with them.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
116. Fair enough. That's probably why he remembers them.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

I have many clear memories of meeting people 20+ years ago if we're still friends, but I have trouble recalling people who happened to be a in a crowd with me around that same time.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
188. Since both were in the house for decades, Bernie had ample opportunity
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

to reaquaint himself with Lewis and catch up on old times, assuming there was old times.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
258. When John Lewis was president of SNCC Hillary was a Goldwater girl.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

I take it he never met her then.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
26. ^^^This.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016
Born in 1941, politician Bernie Sanders started out his career as the mayor of Burlington, Vermont. He served four terms as the leader of Vermont's biggest city from 1981 to 1989. Sanders then moved on to the national political arena by winning a seat in the House of Representatives. From 1991 to 2007, he distinguished himself as one of the country's few independent legislators. In 2007, Sanders won election to the U.S. Senate and was reelected in 2012. He announced his plans to run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2015.

http://www.biography.com/people/bernie-sanders


Gee, in 1966 he wasn't a politician and wasn't already planning on running for president. (heh... that one amused me)

He was just another white supporter in the crowd for civil rights, focusing on the goal.
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
128. Just cuz he didn't see him, doesn't mean he wasn't there. Bernie was arrested
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

long before anyone 'knew' who he was. Lewis does a real disservice to African Americans, who don't have what he has, from the government dole.

blm

(113,065 posts)
129. And many activists remain in background and unmemorable until they DO become known.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016

This is a nonissue, imo. I've been an activist for decades, yet, I'm pretty sure unless I do something to draw major attention to myself, or run for office, I will remain unmemorable. And that is OK with me.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
201. What does that have to do with the OP re Bernie and John Lewis?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

Oh, forget it. I've had enough bait for now. Welcome to Forever Ignored.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
205. You said Bernie wasn't famous then
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

I said "neither were the Clintons"

That is a pretty simple A-to-B to follow....

Response to Tarc (Reply #198)

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
4. And it continues..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

The pictures, stories and arrest report must all be fabrications.

I would call this an artful smear. I mean he didn't meet him.. Don't infer he never was involved though. That's some bullshit move right there.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
78. me too
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

I shouldn't but I do. I guess it's disconcerting because people like Lewis, Steinem, Albright all have clout. Especially someone like Lewis (who has a really good history) infers things like this (that Bernie wasn't there and is lying), then it's upsetting that people who may not know Bernie, or who are still trying to make up their minds, will see this and think "well, if Lewis says that Bernie wasn't there, then I'm not going to vote for a LIAR!".

They are the ones who are distorting the truth. Trying to make Bernie look bad because they are running out of positives on their own side. It reminds me of when Hillary was asked if she thought that Obama was a Muslim and she said "not as far as I know". Same tactics and low blows.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
45. Swiftboating 101.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

No surprise at all the Clinton campaign is adopting this RW Rovian tactic...they've adopted all the others. The difference is, we all knew the attack on Kerry was utter bullshit...however this time some people can't recognize the bullshit because it reinforces their already held ideology.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
80. Are you serious? Rep. Lewis saying that he never saw Sanders then is NOT "swiftboating"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps you need to go back and refresh your knowledge of what swift boating actually is.

angrychair

(8,700 posts)
153. Ok, not swiftboating
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

Ratfucking?
The clear implication, "I didn't see him but I saw Hillary Clinton, I saw Bill Clinton" is that Sanders is lying.

Sanders was involved with the movement and that is indisputable. There is photographic, third-party verification he was involved.

FYI, Interesting that he would say "I saw Hillary Clinton...Bill Clinton" considering she didn't graduate high school until 1965 and in her senior year of high school she was a Republican and a 'Goldwater Girl'. She didn't even know Bill Clinton in 1963. While Bill was in Washington DC at Dr. King's 'I Have A Dream' speech. Bill was a high school kid at the time so I doubt Lewis "saw" him either.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
8. This smear isn't even artful...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

C'mon Clinton supporters, this is what you've got? You can't compete on the issues, so we now go back to some guy in the 1960's who doesn't recall Bernie? Did you guys think about the pictures, his arrest, any of the actual evidence that immediately invalidates this attempted smear?

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
11. Yes it is bullshit. Inferring Bernie is lying without actually saying it.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

(Ready for the under the bus brigade.)

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
119. Except it's not very artful.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

As I thought, SC is where the big knives will get taken out. This is just beginning; be prepared. If we're still alive on super tuesday, the nomination is ours.

oh08dem

(339 posts)
7. With all due respect to Rep. Lewis
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

but I never met a dinosaur either, that doesn't mean it didn't exist. It's clear that Bernie WAS there, and was participating; why is the burden of proof set so high when it comes to Bernie and the civil rights movement?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
30. Considering Bernie didn't have a political career until 1989
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

and we know that he is not a spotlight seeking personality. He gets in the spotlight because it is a tool to a different goal. It is an issue goal and not a personal one.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
97. This ^^^
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps if he’d acted more like a Clinton and less like the mensch that he is, Lewis would remember him.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
118. John Lewis met Bill Clinton in the 70's, before Clinton had his first job in politics.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

And he and Bill and Hillary have been friends ever since.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
172. And that, of course, translates into the Clintons slogging in the trenches for civil rights
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016


The Clintons have never lifted a finger for anything that didn't feather their own nests.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
181. They both got law degrees and Hillary immediately went to work for the Children's Defense
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

Fund, and accomplished more than she would have if she'd only participated in some marches.

With a law degree from Yale, she could have gotten a job with a top law firm but she chose to use her talents to help children and fight poverty.

Marion Edelman did the voice-over for Hillary's campaign video. She still appreciates Hillary's work there.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
197. Of course she did
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

All politicians with political aspirations do high-profile things like this in the hopes that, at some future time, someone will cite this job as a "qualification" for election.

For your edification:

How Hillary Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
257. Not after she failed the D.C. Bar exam & only passed the Arkansas bar
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

No lawyer (someone with a law degree) can get a job/ practice law with any kind of law firm, top or bottom, without having passed a bar exam, and obtained a law license in the state (or District of Columbia) in which the law firm operates. Hillary failed the D.C. Bar, and the various jobs she worked at between law school graduation and heading down to Arkansas were research/writing/monitoring hearings type jobs, and not jobs which required a licensed attorney. In other words, she could not possibly have gone into a court of law and represented anyone for the Childrens Defense Fund. That would be practicing law without a license. So her role at the Children's Defense Fund would have been a subsidiary one - akin to a paralegal.

It's hard to pin down the exact dates on what she did after graduating from Yale law and heading down to Arkansas where she then got an Arkansas license. And not being licensed in any other jurisdiction (and eligible for reciprocity), she would have to be a resident of Arkansas to get a license there. Apparently in late '74, she decided to leave D.C. and head down to Arkansas & Bill. She kept her bar failure a secret for decades. A number of law grads fail bar exams every year and have to take them a second or even a third time. My first supervising attorney/senior partner had to take the bar 3 times. Ended up as an extremely successful trial lawyer and president of the trial lawyers' association. But he had to have the self confidence to acknowledge he had failed and had to take the exam over again. Hillary has demonstrated a lifelong inability to admit error or failure.

Here's the time line. She graduated from Yale Law in spring of '72; took both D.C. and Arkansas bar exams that summer. To be with Bill while he finished his last year of law school, Hillary signed up for a year of observing and working with children at the Yale Child Study Center (which did not require bar membership/law license). Bill graduated in late spring of '73 and headed back to Arkansas, sans Hillary. "After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a law professor at the University of Arkansas." (Wikipedia) At age 27, she took a job working for the House Judiciary Committee on the Watergate investigation, no later than spring of '74. At this point, not having yet moved to Arkansas, and never having passed the D.C. bar, she was not a licensed attorney. I could only find a reference to her working part time for Edelman while she studied for the bar (the summer after law school graduation) and perhaps while waiting for the bar exam results. She apparently returned to New Haven in the fall of '72 to work at the Yale Child Study Center (not a job requiring a law degree, let alone a law license)


Bekavac said she was shocked to hear that, a year later, Hillary had moved to sleepy Arkansas. “We could barely imagine her being there,” Bekavac said. Others were similarly surprised to learn that Hillary had taken up with a corporate law firm — for most of those who knew her best at Yale saw her destined for a high-profile job in the public interest.

http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillary-clinton-at-yale-law-school/

And yes Clinton hater Dick Morris was the one who pointed this out, but Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact's "Truth-O-Meter" determined it was true.
She failed, then followed Bill

By Robert Farley on Friday, February 15th, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
In an article for a conservative Internet journal that has been widely distributed via chain e-mail, former Clinton adviser-turned-foe Dick Morris points out a little-known embarrassment about Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was a star law student at Yale.

"She flunked the D.C. bar exam and only passed the Arkansas bar," he wrote. In his biography of Hillary Clinton, former Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein notes that in the summer of 1973, 817 people took the Washington, D.C., bar exam; 551 of them passed. Hillary Rodham was not one of them.

"For the first time in her life she had flamed out — spectacularly, given the expectations of others for her, and even more so her own," Bernstein wrote.

It's true.

In his biography of Hillary Clinton, former Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein notes that in the summer of 1973, 817 people took the Washington, D.C., bar exam; 551 of them passed. Hillary Rodham was not one of them.

"For the first time in her life she had flamed out — spectacularly, given the expectations of others for her, and even more so her own," Bernstein wrote.

Bernstein said Clinton kept the news hidden for 30 years and shocked some of her closest friends when she made the revelation with a passing reference in her 2003 autobiography, Living History.


So she followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas. She became a faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, where Bill Clinton also taught. And in 1975, the two married.

Wrote Bernstein: "There can only be conjecture about what turn her life — and the nation's — might have taken had she not failed the exam."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/15/chain-email/she-failed-then-followed-bill/

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
274. LOL. Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't pass it the first time. Ever hear of him? Or CA Gov. Jerry Brown?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

Or Michelle Obama? All of them went on to have very successful legal careers.

Any actual lawyer knows that not passing a bar exam the first time is common because top law schools teach legal reasoning, not the specific laws that are the subject of the bar exam.

https://getbarmax.com/failing-the-bar-exam/

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
288. I gave an example/bar passage not conclusive re career success. Can't you read?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

My points, in refutation of your emotional claims and which you predictably ignored, were that (1) she never did any work as a licensed lawyer for the Children's Defense Fund in lieu of going on marches, as you described it, and (2) she did not have the option of working for a top law firm in lieu of whatever work she did for Children's Defense Fund, because she wasn't licensed at that time.

Obviously you are not "an actual lawyer", but that's OK, I'm sure you've watched a lot of them on the teevee.

Not passing the exam the first time is NOT common, as you claim, but does happen to some people who end up RETAKING THE EXAM, something HRC did not have the courage to do, because she'd have had to publicly admit failure the first time around - to her friends, her law school classmates and most frightening of all, her hyper-critical father. I say she lacked courage because she kept it a secret for decades, even from those who thought they were her close friends.

You are so funny! "Top law schools" teach legal reasoning, "not the specific laws"? Get outta town! Let's see, first year there's contracts and torts and civil procedure; then criminal procedure, law of corporations and product liability; UCC, international law, administrative law, estates and trusts, family law - and in my day, law of admiralty and antitrust - all jam-packed with specific LAWS (case law and legislative law). Yes, the first year emphasizes teaching us how to think like a lawyer (legal reasoning) and applying that ability and integrating that perspective into every single substantive class. Further, HRC took a months long bar preparation course, the content of which was tailored to the most recent multi-state portions of the bar exam.

As to the "top law schools" of which you imagine you are qualified to speak, here's some fun facts.
Graduates of those schools are expected to and in fact do pass at higher rates. For example, take California (since you mentioned Jerry Brown), which is consistently ranked as having the most difficult bar exam in the nation. And I am familiar with what goes on bar-wise in California, since I have a post-JD certificate in teaching trial advocacy from UC Berkeley/Boalt Hall and have 3 cousins currently practicing law in San Diego.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/california-bar-exam-pass-rates-by-law-school.html

UC Berkeley has the highest pass rate for the California Bar of any of California's law schools, at 93.2%.

But Yale (HRC's alma mater) law school grads scored a 100% pass rate when they took the California bar. Those pass rates do not conform with your ridiculous claim that "not passing a bar exam the first time" (i.e., failing the bar) is common.

Looking at recent nationwide statistics,

In 2013, the nationwide pass rate for the July bar exam was 72%. However, those numbers do not tell the whole story. A closer look into the July 2013 pass rate reveals that 1st time bar exam takers passed at an 80% rate while repeat exam takers passed at only a 29% mark.

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/12/why-are-bar-exam-retakers-failing-at-a-high-rate/?rf=1

The pressure involved with the bar exam and the speed at which you have to answer questions are hard to convey to those who haven’t done it. It is brutal. My hat is off to anyone who has to put themselves through it a second time.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
290. So what? She was a top graduate from two top schools and could have gotten a job
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

with a major firm in any major city. And they don't require their new staff to have already passed the bar.

As a law graduate yourself, I'm surprised you don't agree that there's a difference between learning about contract law in the abstract, as taught at Yale law school, and learning the specific statutes of contract law for a particular state's bar exam. I don't think most law grads would agree with you, which is why they take the cram courses.

Do you happen to know Yale's pass rate in the year Hillary took the bar exam? Because that would be the relevant comparison, not now. But an average 20% fail rate DOES show that failing the bar is common.

And FDR, Michelle Obama, and Jerry Brown show it can happen to very capable people.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
293. You just keep digging yourself in deeper
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

Here's how it works. Law firms interview 3rd year students in the spring and hire them upon graduation with the absolute requirement and expectation that they will take the end-of-summer bar exam. Sometimes law students who have held summer jobs between 2nd and 3rd year are offered jobs at the start of their 3rd year, contingent upon graduating and taking the next available bar exam. The firms will continue to employ them while they await their bar results. But the firms count on the new hires passing the bar, getting sworn in and licensed in various state/federal courts within another week, and being able to practice law, i.e., be an attorney of record, go to court, etc., IMMEDIATELY. Law firms survive on billable hours - they're not going to carry someone for 6 months who has failed the bar, unless they're a family member of a senior partner, major client or the like.

Nepotism trumps capability, as elsewhere. HRC is an extreme example of nepotism in the law. As a newly licensed attorney, she (at age 28) was hired to teach by the Univ. of Arkansas law school, and a year later, hired by the most prestigious law firm in Arkansas (Rose) and put on the fastest-track-to-partnership ever to be named partner in one year. Youngest law faculty member ever; same for senior partner at a state's top firm.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
294. I know how it works. And, as you said, she would have been hired before taking any exam,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

and allowed to prepare over the summer. But if her interest had been making a lot of money at a big corporate law firm, she would have had the chance to get that kind of job.

And there's no way to know how close she was to passing that exam the first time. We do know she was a top student till then so maybe she just had a bad day. And we know that has happened to other very capable people.

Like Michelle Obama and FDR.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
281. "She could have gotten a job with a top law firm..."
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:13 PM
Feb 2016

And she did! In 1977, with the Rose Law Firm, where she represented Arkansas electric utility companies fighting against residential ratepayers!

Later, she even became a partner in "the ultimate establishment law firm"[6] in the state and "the legal arm of the powerful", and remained with the firm until she left the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Law_Firm

Yeah, she was really fighting poverty, all right!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
289. With no experience, made partner after ONE Year! Nepotism rules!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

Here she was, having freshly failed the D.C. bar and thus decided to join Bill in Arkansas. With ZIP legal experience (having only gotten her law license AFTER she moved to Arkansas) hired to teach at the Univ. of Arkansas law school AND a year later, put on the highest-speed-ever track to partnership at Little Rock's
most prestigious law firm. She has coasted through her professional life on Bill's coat tails.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
39. Meanwhile...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

No one is allowed to point out the terrible Clinton policies from the 1990's that continue to hurt minorities today. Or point out that the Clinton campaign refers to minority voters as a firewall, which is an insult to the notion that each voter will think for themselves on the issues that affect them. No one is allowed to point out racism in Clinton's 2008 campaign against Obama either.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
10. Could he give us a complete list
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

of everyone he saw and met during the movement?

This would give a balanced statement.

renate

(13,776 posts)
61. exactly! this means nothing
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

Except that John Lewis apparently thinks that the only measurement of involvement in the civil rights movement is having met him.

Disappointing to say the least.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
12. Along with the vast, vast majority
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

of those involved in the civil rights movement that John Lewis has never met. I'm sure most of those involved weren't doing it for the recognition or fame.

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
15. I'm not surprised that John Lewis did not meet Bernie at that time.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie was working with CORE in Chicago. Lewis was working with SNCC in the South.

I respect John Lewis. I am disappointed that his statement here seems to imply that he met the Clintons during the civil rights struggle when that is not the case. The Clintons were not involved in that struggle. He met them much later in life. I respect his choice to support Hillary. He clearly trusts her and thinks she is the better choice. But if he is going to imply that Bernie Sanders is lying about his own history, I can't respect that. It's old-fashioned sleazy politics.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
20. Hmm, I thought Bernie was working with SNCC in Chicago. Not sure where
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

I picked that up, so I appreciate your annotation!

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
23. He has said that while he was working with CORE, he helped raise some money for SNCC.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

That's probably what you heard.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
190. John Lewis met the Clintons in the 70's, before Bill even entered politics --
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

not "much later in life."

He's not implying that Bernie is lying; just that he's had many decades of friendship with the Clintons and he personally knows about their long-time commitment to civil rights.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

Response to bigtree (Original post)

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
22. Thanks John, for letting us know that you care more about your political career
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

than you do your fellow African Americans.

I assume that you statement was true. But, do you know for a fact that he was not a civil rights activist that he said he was?

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
25. Maybe John Lewis can explain
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

Why he supports Hillary who staunchly supported Bill's welfare reform which hurt millions of people. I'd like him to explain that.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
36. Implications and ambiguity are not a coinicidence, bunnies.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

Aka the kitchen sink Bernie talked about at his victory speech in NH



 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
42. I cant believe its gotten so ridiculous so soon.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis never met Bernie in the 60's. Who the fuck cares?! Someones polling must be worse than we know. What next?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
46. They're hoping whatever they throw, sticks. NH was a rude awakening and then all the
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

money that followed probably freaked them out, it keeps Bernie in the race.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
57. Well, they better brace themselves because the money isnt going to stop.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

This debate tonights gonna be REAL interesting.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
64. No it won't and the risk is obvious, people check online all kinds of info and it may
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

spread some doubt and that is all it may do but in the end when voters
disapprove of these kinds of tactics, well. You know what they do, they
give more money to their guy.



Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
38. I've never heard him make this claim. I've also never heard him claim that he "Marched with Martin"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

But his supporters repeat that over and over and over ad nauseum. Rep. Lewis is probably as sick of hearing that as many others are since, not only is it not true, but claiming that "Bernie marched with Martin" more deeply involved in the movement than he really was - and possibly close to Dr. King. John Lewis, who really DID march with Martin and WAS close to him, is simply saying that he never saw Sanders, a valid point.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
53. I've never heard Bernie make those claims either.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

But I've made it a point to stay away from all of that. I dont even bother to click those threads on DU. I guess I didnt realize it was such a "thing".

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
63. It's pervasive and obnoxious
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

"How DARE you question Bernie's civil rights record. He was marching with Dr. King in 1963 when Hillary was a Goldwater girl!!!"

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
75. Thats unforunate.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

I personally dont understand the desire to re-write history. Its important to me that Bernie was a civil rights activist and Im glad he was. Not marching with Dr. King doesnt make him any less so, imho.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
79. I agree. What Bernie did in the 60s was admirable and praiseworthy
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

But, frankly, he did what a whole lot of other people did and holding him up as some kind of a civil rights icon who did things he did not do only diminishes his actual work.

And it doesn't help him at all with the people they're trying to impress because it's annoying as hell . . .

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
82. I agree with you 100%.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

And I take your word about the annoying part. Being a white chick from NH, I know Im not who theyre trying to impress.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
74. He didn't literally "march" with MLK
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

As many did not that day in Washington - about 200,000 attended.

Figuratively, he did because he was there and supported the cause.

He took a bus from Chicago to Washington to attend the protest and saw the "I have a dream speech" from near the back - near the Washington monument. That's from a video he did for the anniversary of the speech.

He was involved in the civil and human rights movement with the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) which I believe he became president of for a period. He protested segregation, police brutality, etc during his college years in Chicago.

In the 70s, he goes to Vermont, pitching the same civil & human rights stuff.

80s supports Jesse Jackson runs for President in '84 + '88 - out campaign and helped deliver Vermont for Jesse.

This was not a one day thing.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
89. No, he didn't march with Dr. King and I've never heard him claim that he did
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

But you know as well as I do that many, many of his supporters make that claim anyway. It's such a pervasively spread lie that Snopes has had to address it.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
93. In my book, if you show up to support a protest like that and the "verb" that
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

arises from it is "march", I can cut a lot of slack for the figurative use of the word.

The guy who had been fighting for civil rights in Chicago and got arrested doing so, buys a bus ticket. Goes to Washington to hear Dr. King and support him at his "March on Washington". Hops on a bus and goes back to Chicago and carries on his fight for civil rights and economic justice that MLK talked about for the next 50+ years.

And you're going to begrudge the figurative use of the word "march" because maybe his bus didn't get him there soon enough to actually walk in the march?

Give me a break. Please, don't be so petty.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
145. I don't begrudge him - I think it's misleading and insulting to the people who really DID march
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

with Dr. King.

And while Sanders efforts were admirable, he did what a lot of other middle class white liberal college students were doing at the time. And it did not involve any great risk on his part. He didn't go down to Mississippi and register voters. He didn't join the freedom rides. He didn't march in Birmingham. He didn't do any of the things that many young people - white and black - did at great personal and physical risk. Again, I'm not saying that his efforts weren't laudable. But they also don't mean that he was some major civil right activist who took any major risks to his physical safety or future to engage in this activity.

And I don't buy the 50 year civil rights fight claim because it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. He did some good things in Chicago while he was in college and then, in 1968, at the height of the movement, when things were hardest and bleakest, when the movement most needed people to stick with it, he left and moved to Vermont, one of the least diverse places in the country. He didn't stay and fight but instead, exercised his white privilege and chose to move to a place where he would be surrounded by people who looked like him, where blacks were few and far between and where the civil rights movement playing out in the streets across the country was a distant matter. I don't think he did this because he hates black people or didn't care about the movement. But, by the same token, this is not the behavior of a civil rights savior.

Moreover, over the next 48 years, he has done little that could be held up as major fights for civil rights for African Americans. Yes, he fought for things that benefitted his constituents and some of those things have also benefitted blacks - but blacks were not the primary beneficiaries of those fights, which would have occurred whether or not black folks were in the picture. But he does not have much of a record of stepping up and really fighting for civil rights for blacks where he had to put some real skin in the game, take a political risk or alienate his base of white supporters. I even asked people here to point to any instances in the past 48 years when he actually fought for civil rights for blacks (not counting a House or Senate vote, since that's part of his job) and not only did people not come up with any examples, the thread was hidden.

The bottom line is that Sanders, in my view, is a good man, a dedicated liberal and committed public servant who cares about civil rights but has had other priorities throughout his career since his early days of working in the civil rights movement. Claiming otherwise is not only insulting to those of us who know better, it diminishes his actual accomplishments when the truth is told because they pale in comparison to the myth that some are trying to create.

Again, not mad at him for it, but a record like his does not make me want to stand up on the rooftops and proclaim him a great crusader for civil rights for blacks.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
199. I think he did and still does view the class struggle as paramount
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

and racial issues as secondary -- with the idea that they would go away if financial justice was achieved.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
297. And Hillary Clinton did those things while also campaigning for Goldwater?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

She is a "civil rights savior"?

She marched in Birmingham?

She put herself at great physical risk?

I just don't get the double standard.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
81. I was at teh march on Washington, I sincerely doubt if anyone else there remembers me.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

I was the young girl in a group of way taller men representing the Union with my father. Oh, and I look different and have a different name now, since I did get married.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
121. Nope, not that exciting, didn't see much because in among taller union men, didn't hear much,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:24 PM
Feb 2016

no one talked to me as I was the only kid, but got some exercise and it was the first time I was in Washington so the buildings interested me.
We were not up front, and I have a fear of crowds that probably colors my memories. Got caught in a crowd of trampling girls in a small young girl rock concert before that, so a bit leery when I don't have a lot of space around me.

I know this is not what people want to hear, but I was young and, you know, stupid.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
149. Hey, not stupid at all.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

I bet most of these landmark historical events were a lot less exciting than they sound, especially for kids at the time.

I wonder how many peoples true experience of something like Woodstock was actually sleeping through most of it, and spending most of the rest jostled in crowds not hearing much.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
169. OH, I was invited to something called woodstock when I was young by a guy I just met.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

Needless to say, I was not perfect but a respectable enough young girl to not go off with someone I did not know for a weekend. I missed so much in life, ha ha . He was cute and funny and older, too.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
189. on the other hand,I don't like being dirty, cold and hungry either.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

He never made it there, got caught in traffic and they closed all the roads around there. after a day in the car, he went back home

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
196. Wow, that would definitely have been worse!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

Choosing not to go is one thing, but trying and getting stuck.. he must have been frustrated for years after over that one!

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
90. Do you go around claiming that you "marched with Dr. King" as proof of your civil rights activism?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

Probably not.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
126. But I have heard many others that described it as their experience
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:26 PM
Feb 2016

Look, we always talk about how my father marched with Walter Reuther in Detroit. Was he standing next to him, talking to him? no, but he was there, he got hit and smacked by the goons. It is an expression.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
179. It may be just an expression, but in this context, precision is everything
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:48 PM
Feb 2016

since the expression is being used to make a point and it mischaracterized what actually happened.

And when people are trying to defend Bernie Sanders from criticism for not doing enough on civil rights and are trying to hold him up as a great civil rights champion, there is a big difference between saying, "Bernie marched with Dr. King" and "Bernie Sanders took a chartered bus to Washington, sat way back on the Mall and listened to Martin Luther King give a speech."

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
183. I disagree, I think we should stick to facts to reduce the animosity here
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

the fact is what both men said is true, this is why democrats can not have nice things, they have to fight to the death over little stuff.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
264. ok, if someone was saying they linked arms - not true, but if someone said "marched with King:" it
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

is true, just like I marched with King, for a cause. Unless I look at everyone's post I can't tell you, but it is a stupid argument either way, the point of the march was to be supportive and to show the power of people, not to hold hands with famous people.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
266. You're right. But the purpose of telling the story this way is to suggest that Bernie was more
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

deeply involved in the movement than he was. And invoking Dr. King's name seems to be intended to suggest that he did indeed rub shoulders with certain people - otherwise, why even mention his name?

He never marched with Dr. King, regardless how you define it. Apparently, the only time he was ever anywhere near anything Dr. King was participating in was the March on Washington, which he did not march in. Sanders himself says that he came on a bus and sat on the Mall and listened to the speech. The March was a different event that the people who came on buses from out of town did not participate in.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
302. So what do you think about the photo in #200
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

that young girl is going through the same thing. Is she a member of Sanders clan?

Response to Empowerer (Reply #38)

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
33. Woe....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

" I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years -- 1963 to 1966," he said. "I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery. I directed the board of education project for six years."

And he never met him?:

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. I love John Lewis but this is nutty. Why on earth would he have met him?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie was in Chicago. As far as I know, Lewis was not. It sounds like he's calling Bernie a liar over something that is very well documented. Weird

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
40. Bernie was a student civil rights protester like thousands of civil rights protesters.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Why would he have known John Lewis? As I recall, the March on Washington was more than a few hundred people for heaven's sake. Did John Lewis meet Hillary doing civil rights work? Oh, wait, she was a Goldwater girl then. Unlikely.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
47. "Oh, wait, she was a Goldwater girl then." - lol...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

so it's okay to cast a doubt onto Bernie but this little nugget of truth is ignored and just fine?? The tactics are getting so crappy now.

I'd say it's not the kitchen sink but the toilet!

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
109. "Civil Riots protestor"? Your auto-correct function may have tripped you up, but it's "Civil Rights"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

"Bernie was a student civil riots protester like thousands of civil rights protesters."

A simple edit will take care of that.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
43. Responses: "Abada abada abada - Well, Bernie was too modest to make himself too obvious to the
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

people close to Dr. King when he was marching with Martin!"

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
52. He has never claimed that he marched with Dr. King.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

He has said he participated in the March on Washington. I don't get Lewis's point. Why would he have met Bernie? Bernie was living in Chicago during the time he was a civil rights activist. Lewis was not. Why should their paths have crossed?

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
62. No, to his credit, he has NEVER claimed to have marched with Dr. King - But that hasn't stopped his
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

supporters from spreading that lie. We have been inundated with claims that "Bernie marched with Dr. King." And he's done nothing to correct them, perhaps because having that story out there helps him. Lewis has certainly heard that tale repeated over and over - how could he miss it? - and is simply noting that he never saw him. if "Bernie had marched with Dr. King," Lewis no doubt would have seen him.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
133. No, those aren't the responses.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

He didn't march with King and never claimed to.
Never claimed to work with SNCC in the south where Lewis was.
Did claim to work with CORE in Chicago and raise money for SNCC. There are pictures and arrest records, so I'm pretty sure he did that unless he knew in the 60s he was going to run for President in 2016 and got someone to impersonate him.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
50. So John Lewis is expected to know everyone who participated in the civil rights movement?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

This is a non-issue.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
55. So is he basically saying liberals do/should take progressive action solely to be famous/known?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

That if you're not Mary Ann Vecchio at Kent State, or the student in Flower Power, that your contributions are pointless?

What a load of baloney! Often times it's the quiet folks, that are not focused on getting their picture in a textbook, that are the most influential.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
72. He only met the legitimate volunteers. AKA the ones who supported Clinton years later.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

This is an amateur-level smear if I ever saw one.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
59. I saw John Lewis in Montgomery in 1965.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure he didn't see me, though. I was in the back of the crowd. I saw him. I saw MLK. That certainly doesn't put me in the forefront of the civil rights movement. I wasn't. I was there, though.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
69. "Ouch!" "Wow!" "Damn!"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

That must have stung!

Sorry - I know that's childish but I am sick of these non issues being thrown in Bernie's and our face(s).

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
299. I don't mind these attacks
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

when people go looking into his history, we find gems like the one above.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
114. ^^^^^^^ RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE!!!^^^^^
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

This is not Bernie’s SNIPER FIRE moment. But that’s what Lewis was insinuating.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
127. It can't refresh Lewis's memory of a meeting that never took place.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

Lewis met Bill and Hillary in the 70's, before Bill had his first political job.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380

He's not disputing that Bernie was in protests. He's just saying that he never met him or saw him -- that is, had any contact with him.

Much less a friendship over many decades.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
246. From the way Lewis said it I figured he met Hillary when she was a Goldwater girl
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

I heard the lewis story on the radio earlier and wondered why Lewis would want to put a huge gouge in his lifetime of integrity for Clinton.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
138. No one is claiming Bernie wasn't involved in the race struggles of the past..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

He just wasn't there enough to be noticed.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
174. .... or he was actually DOING THE WORK, not making it a resume-padder ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

"... See Me! I'm Here! Shake My Hand! I'm Going to be Famous Someday! Let Me Get In Your Face! I Need to be Noticed!" is just not Senator Sanders' style.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
182. I don't think that would have been necessary to get noticed.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

But if Sanders intended to be a leader in this issue he needed to get out front and lead. Apparently he didn't do that.. otherwise John Lewis would have remembered him.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
65. “I never saw him. I never met him,” Lewis continued.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016
“I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for 3 years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed to voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton.”

That's all I need to know.

God bless John Lewis a REAL american HERO!

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #65)

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
132. All you need to know is that Lewis never met Sanders and that proves???
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

What exactly? “That’s all I need to know” about - - what??

Response to bigtree (Original post)

George II

(67,782 posts)
144. Sad that a real hero of the Civil Rights Movement.....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

who still bears the scars of his heroism, has to be smeared.

I'll take John Lewis' word over Bernard Sanders' word any day.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
88. Photographic evidence shows that Bernie participated...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

So John Lewis' comments are merely comments.

bern indeed eh?

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
102. ...are you serious?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

Simply scroll to the bottom of berniesanders.com for a few of them.

A simple google search would reveal more.

And they're in his book "Outsider in the White House."

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
115. He's got an arrest record from being in marches
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

And photos.

I'm sure he didn't meet John Lewis. Sanders was.in Chicago.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
71. Some questions for Rep. Lewis
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Here in New Hampshire, the name of Jonathan Daniels is well known. A native of Keene, he was active in the civil rights movement in the south. Daniels, white, died in August 1965 when saving an African-American woman, Ruby Sales, in Haynesville, Alabama. Martin Luther King, Jr. observed at the time, “One of the most heroic Christian deeds of which I have heard in my entire ministry was performed by Jonathan Daniels.”

I did a quick Google search but could find no reference to Jonathan Daniels having met John Lewis. Does that diminish Daniels' action? If it does, it didn't come up when he was awarded the Jonathan Daniels Award from VMI in 2015. More information about the award is here: http://www.episcopalcafe.com/rep-john-lewis-to-receive-jonathan-daniels-award/. And the Wikipedia entry on Daniels is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Daniels. There is a reference in a biography of Stokely Carmichael that Lewis attended a mass following Daniels' murder, but no indication from a quick read that Lewis had ever met Daniels.

A year earlier three white civil rights workers - James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael "Mickey" Schwerner - were abducted and murdered while fighting for civil rights in Philadelphia, Mississippi. The Wikipiedia page on the three - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers%27_murders - does not note whether the three ever met John Lewis. Does that diminish their action on behalf of civil rights?

The irony is that many northern, liberal Jews were active supporters of the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

In contrast, the young Hillary Clinton supported Richard Nixon in 1960 and Barry Goldwater in 1964. It wasn't until the 1960s that she switched to the Democratic Party.

Sure, it may be unkind to question John Lewis. Yes, he was a pioneer of the civil rights movement, but in this case his comments simply don't hold water, and I don't think it's unfair for him to have made the comments he did or for the Clinton campaign to use it as an "artful smear." Or, in my view, an inartful smear.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
140. Associate with the Clinton's -->>tarnish your reputation
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

I would rather deal with the mob than with a Clinton.

Autumn

(45,106 posts)
77. Did Bernie claim he had met John Lewis? I don't remember hearing that claim.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie did march in the March on Washington and was a student organizer in SNCC That's a fact. I would like to see a link to Bernie saying he had met John Lewis.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
85. We've got photographic proof of Bernie's actions sooo...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

This comment from John Lewis is merely a comment.

ETA: Not like he met Hillary or Bill in those civil rights events. So, what he's trying to imply is disingenuous.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
91. You never saw him, never met him - so what? Bernie was an activist during the civil rights movement
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

moving in different circles than you, Congressman Lewis.

I have the utmost respect for John Lewis but I do not understand the point of this.
Many people were involved in activism during the civil rights movement. You are not going to work with all of them.
That's impossible.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
98. Sanders claimed no leadership position.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

Not to mention, he was one of many young Jewish college students who worked hard on this. I seriously doubt John Lewis, who I respect, knew each and everyone.

I guess they started this after the whispers that ir was unlikely he really spent a year at a kibbutz.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
95. Bill met Lewis in the 70s.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016


You know, John was up here talking about being 60 years old, and I was thinking about the first time I met him, when I was just a young man back in the seventies, held no office, wanted to get elected to something in my State, and was interested in helping a fellow from Georgia named Carter get elected President. And I remember John talking to me about all these stories we saw in the movie.


http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58380


Lewis - In 1970, he became director of the Voter Education Project. During his tenure, the VEP helped to register millions of minority voters.

http://www.biography.com/people/john-lewis-21305903#political-life
 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
96. He met Clinton when she was a Goldwater girl?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

...or did he meet at the time that she was calling black people super predators and supporting mass incarceration?

These attacks are getting sillier and sillier.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
99. I just saw this clip on MSNBC! Am just about laughing my ass off....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

ROFLMAO for freaking obvious reasons. We keep trying to tell the mystified acolytes that BOTH Clintons have a relationship with the AA community going back decades.

Last night I engaged with someone who kept asking what the "secret sauce" was, and every time I said it was no secret I was given some version of "You won't answer my question."

Let me repeat, once again, HILLARY CLINTON FORGED RELATIONSHIPS GOING BACK ALMOST 50 YEARS AND IT IS NOT A SECRET.


JURY: There is no secret sauce. Relationships matter in politics as in life.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
103. How sad. I admire John Lewis. Surely he can support Hillary w/o demeaning Sanders
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

What's with these surrogates that they can't just talk about their candidate in a positive way? It's so sad to see people I've admired resorting to this stuff.

I guess the kitchen sink includes people I've longed respected doing the dirty work. It's RACE now. After SC it will be TAXES.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
106. It seems to be a repeating pattern
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

He says he was there....no one remembers any actual action, or tangible results that benefitted that group.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
187. Is this tangible enough for you?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

He never said he marched with MLK, but did attend his speech.

Sanders was working for civil rights in Chicago during his college days.

This link is from post #60 Thanks to Flatbroque

He was arrested in Chicago for protesting.
The Asst. State Attorney named him as one of the one's in charge of the protest
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1964/01/14/page/6/article/race-protest-cases-of-159-are-decided

Hilary was not envolved in the civil rights movement until after her stint as a Goldwater girl and to my knowledge never envolved in any type of protest during that time.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
259. Bernie accomplished nothing.... but likes to ride on the coats tails of those who do accomplish
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

it's an on going meme, because "he voted". His 25+year as an elected official, and he has done so little to advance the cause of civil rights, he has to fall back on a march 50 years ago....as if he participation actually changed history. He voted...that's it. So did 1000's of politicians over the years. Some were even Republicans.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
277. Cool story
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

I'd love to get some insight on what Hillary has done to advance the cause of civil rights but I know you'll just deflect and come up with nothing.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
283. Exactly!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:28 PM
Feb 2016

I don't have a problem with his record, but it is not the record of a major civil rights champion. I find that the people who believe it is tend not to know any real civil rights champions, so they think that Sanders is something really unusual.

The narrative is "Bernie marched with Dr. King and was arrested and has spent the last 50 years fighting for civil rights. When asked what he's done in the last 50 years, we get, "Bernie MARCHED WITH DR. KING WHEN HILLARY WAS A GOLDWATER GIRL!"

Yesterday, I gave people a chance to offer up examples of specific things that Sanders had done since 1968 to fight for African Americans, beyond casting votes in the House and Senate, in instances in which he took political risk or went against his white constituency. People mentioned his 1988 endorsement of Jesse Jackson, his Iraq War vote, his welfare reform vote and other votes. They mentioned him "supporting" or "speaking out" on various things, but could come up with no examples of Sanders going out of his way, taking a risk, or putting himself on the line to fight for civil rights for African Americans.  And they were so upset by the question, the thread was alerted and hidden.

FYI, the reason I selected 1968 as the starting date is that is the year that Sanders left Chicago and moved to Vermont, where he would be surrounded by people the same race as he and from where the civil rights movement playing out in the streets and courts was very far removed.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
107. I went to a funeral in November...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

of a friend and former colleague who passed away suddenly from pancreatic cancer. I was seated there amongst people I had worked with for ages and afterward we mingled and reconnected. The point is..I WORKED WITH THESE PEOPLE FOR YEARS, side by side, and not only did some of them not recognize me, I didn’t recognize many of them. They’d walk right up to me and throw their arms around my neck and say “DORKZILLA!!!! I’ve thought about you SO often! I heard from XXXX (my former boss) that you’d recently gotten married! Remember that time when we....” and I couldn’t for the FUCKING LIFE OF ME remember who they were. Even after one of my close friends whispered their name into my ear and what department they’d worked in.

Such a stupid thing to say, as if it means anything.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
112. Wow.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

I respect Lewis but that's a pretty shitty way to dismiss the hard work of thousands of activists from that time who were active all across the country.

carburyme

(146 posts)
263. John Lewis BerniBroed hard indeed
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

It's happening folks!

DU is so predictable these days. Don't know why I even bother chekin in.

Everything is Hillary's fault. She is really so evil and desperate she must have sent John Lewis to smear their god now he's under the bottom pile of buses...

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
298. AKA Character assassination
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

If some people had any sense of shame they would apologize to the honorable man that bore beatings and jail for the rights they take for granted today.

This is a shameful chapter in the democratic party. I'm sad that a hero like John Lewis gets a knife in the back for the sin of supporting Hillary Clinton.

snort

(2,334 posts)
171. Dammit! I wanted to count.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:45 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps another danish with my coffee will make me feel better.

Seriously, these 'artful smears' are very disappointing. Please don't do that, Hillary.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
135. SNCC had thousands of members all over the country...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

... and the likelihood of Mr. Lewis, who was the Director of the organization, having met Mr. Sanders, who was just another idealistic kid doing a good thing, is minuscule. To imply that Mr. Lewis' statement is, by some twist of convoluted logic, a condemnation of Sanders is absurd in the extreme. I doubt that Sanders met Lewis' successor, Stoakley Carmichael, either. Will that elicit a gasp from the audience as well?

BTW, I've seen a few people just on this thread confuse the words "imply" and "infer." They are NOT synonyms. To imply is to suggest; to infer is to deduce.

There'll be a quiz in the morning.

- Your friendly neighborhood grammar bully

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
136. While he may not have met everyone, it is certain he didn't meet the Goldwater Girl at a march. nt
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
137. It doesn't matter
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

if he really does remember him or not. It's about the money Lebowski! It's sad when we actually begin to give politicians the benefit of the doubt in regard to honesty when it isn't about truth to them, but money and access.

Rachel's town hall HAD a picture of Bernie in the 1960s organizing for fair housing. If this isn't enough for some people, nothing will be.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
141. No surprise...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

...about John Lewis not meeting Bernie - but the way he said it was something else. The comment isn't about their non-meeting.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
142. Look for the Clintons to get uglier and uglier as they lose ground... I remember Hillary got so
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

desperate in '08, that she kept invoking the RFK assassination, and IIRC, at one point she pretended to cry...



They are SHAMELESS

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
147. I think this is being blown a little out of proportion
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

I tracked down the video clip. This wasn't part of his prepared remarks, it was in response to a question of what he thought of Bernie's civil rights record. It sounds to me like he's simply stating that he never met Sanders during that time, but he "knows," in other words, is confident of the commitment that Hillary and Bill have to civil rights. The main portion of his remarks are about going to SC to campaign for Hillary, he doesn't mention Bernie at all.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/lewis-on-sanderss-civil-rights-record-621092419770

elleng

(130,973 posts)
148. Maybe, in the 'olden days,' but
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

Nice photo of John, Jane, and Bernie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511201854


Sorry to add to this 'noise,' but thought people might like to know.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
151. There Is Only One Response To This Thread....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

First, All Folks Supporting The Civil Rights Movement During The 1960's Where Not Required To Check In with John Lewis.

Second, Well, There's This -- From FactCheck.org:



DCBob

(24,689 posts)
152. Amazing how the Sanders people are now trashing John Lewis, one of our greatest liberal leaders.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

Sickening.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
154. Bernie's involvement in the civil rights movement HAS to be a fiction
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

Otherwise how could Lewis justify supporting the Clintons with their destructive record? Cognitive dissonance.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
156. Well, in all my 35 years of supporting the Democratic party,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

I've never seen John Lewis.


Still wouldn't mind seeing him, but I've never seen him here.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
164. I have met him.. he's an amazing man, incredible speaker and a tremendous liberal leader.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

I have the utmost respect for him and what he says.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
160. I call bullshit on that claim
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:39 PM
Feb 2016

Lewis is implying that he met Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton during the days of the civil rights movement, in the mid-60's and that's misleading.

By Bill Clintons own admission he never met the Congressman until the 70's well past the height of the movement. Hillary Clinton on the other hand did not even graduate high school until 1965 and I have never seen any claim that she participated in any freedom ride, sit ins, marches or demonstrations during that period.

Nor have I ever heard Sen. Sanders claim to have met Congressman Lewis.

I think there is something else going on here. Apparently there is a school of thought that Sanders is insufficiently worshipful of President Obama, and he should be made to pay for his heresy.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
212. ^^^ Absolutely!!! ^^^
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

His claim, that he met Bill and Hillary, say between 1963 and 1966 when he was president of that group...

Hillary was only between 16 and 19 years old and Bill was 17 to 20 years old...remember they didn't marry until 1975.

So Mr. Lewis claims that he knew them, then????

Sorry Mr. Lewis but those times were long ago and there were thousands and thousands involved. Not to question your memories but this is just too embellished to believe. And, like so many others have said...maybe you just flat out never met Bernie. Did everyone that was involved need to come to you when you were the president of that group?

No wonder Twitterverse is lighting up, questioning all of this.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
161. Huh....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder if Sanders remembers meeting Lewis.


I wonder why anyone would care who remembers who?

I remember going to school with Marvin Bush.... but only because, well, you know...

I bet Marvin doesn't remember me!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
163. I never thought Lewis would stoop that low
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

He could have answered with a simple No I never him back then.

Instead he had to trumpet his own involvement, to artfully imply that Sanders
Was not really a participant.

I hate to see so many of the people I have admired showing a shitty side in thrir alliance with Clinton.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
243. Did you see it?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

He was asked if he knew Sanders from the civil rights era?

Lewis could have simply said "No we never met during that period." and left it at that.

Instead, he got this huffy tone and said "I was (hear and there) and no I never met him..But I did meet the Clintons."

The clear innuendo was to demean and cast doubt that Sanders really had been active in the movement. It was unnecessarily nasty, and somewhat deceptive.

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
168. Lets look at the history...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

I hate to say it, but Mr Lewis has already made clear exactly where his loyalties lay. He is either being forgetful or outright dishonest to support his candidate of choice.

Bernie Sander's record in Civil rights is just as unquestionable as Mr Lewis. Does Mr Lewis suggest that he intimately remembers everyone involved in the civil rights movement.

"The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), as an organization, began with an $800.00 grant from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) for a conference attended by 126 student delegates from 58 sit-in centers in 12 states, along with delegates from 19 northern colleges, the SCLC, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR), National Student Association (NSA), and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). Out of this conference the SNCC was formed.[7][8]"

Bernie Sanders was a activist with for the Congress for Racial Equality in Chicago, and would have likely been directly involved in the formation of the SNCC.

 

captainarizona

(363 posts)
175. sanders supporters are hurting bernie
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

I have said this before but its important. I got blocked from the bernie thread some time ago when I mentioned bernie needs to do more to attract the democratic minority vote.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
195. Are you insinuating that he is lying?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

All he said is that he never met Bernie nor remembered him. Is that a lie in your opinion?

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
219. You did not ask what I disagree with John Lewis on
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:17 PM
Feb 2016

I disagree on the premise him endorsing HRC


maybe you need to fallback

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
184. Ok
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

Just waiting now for a photo from 1963 with Lewis shaking Bernie's handat an event. Tic tic tic.....

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
192. 20 Examples Of Bernie’s Record on Civil and Human Rights.....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016


1. Raising Money For Korean Orphans: International solidarity was an unusual concept for any American to have in the 1950s, let alone a high school student. But one of Sanders’ first campaigns was to run for class president at James Madison High School in New York City. His platform was based around raising scholarship funds for Korean war orphans. Although he lost, the person who did win the campaign decided to endorse Sanders’ campaign, and scholarships were created.

2. Being Arrested For Desegregation: As a student at the University of Chicago, Sanders was active in both the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). In 1962, he was arrested for protesting segregation in public schools in Chicago; the police came to call him an outside agitator, as he went around putting up flyers around the city detailing police brutality.

3. Marching In March On Washington:Sanders joined the mega-rally called by the leaders of the civil rights movement, a formative event of his youth.

More at link:

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_record_on_civil_and_human_rights_partner/

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
215. But, I Thought....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

John Lewis Said He Never Met Bernie At a Civil Rights March.....

Guess John Lewis was Full Of It!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
207. Maybe this is what happens when you take your eyes off the prize, Congressman.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think this is what you were fighting for, but I could be mistaken.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
211. Did he meet Hillary
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

…..and Bill back in 63 and 66 in civil rights organizations and marches, when he complains he did not meet Bernie? Comparing "meetings" and "non-meetings" that are 30 years apart seems misleading. Or do I have that part wrong?

I have great respect for Congressman Lewis and know how important his work is, but he sounds a little like Cornell West's reasons for criticizing Obama back in the day. Paraphrasing: "Well, he never did such and such around me. I am the measure of his commitment to the cause."

Bernie was very active in these causes in 63 forward. What difference does it make if he and Lewis ever met? For that matter, would Lewis even remember if he met some young guy named Bernie 50 years ago?

Is Lewis saying that Bernie is lying about his organizing in SNCC? That's quite an accusation.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
218. I will continue to respect John Lewis
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

for all the great things he has done. I will respect him for all the things he will do. I even respect that he has chosen his candidate and has moved the CBCPAC to endorse. That is his business.

I also respect that he may not have met or seen Bernie during those days. Bernie is not the type to make himself a stand out but more like another person working with others. The Clinton's are not like that, I have never seen them take a back seat and let someone else get the glory so it makes sense that they would make a point to meet him. It is just the way they are, many people are like that. I don't even care about that.

I DO care that this statement was made to unfairly discredit someone who has only done good things for other people. This statement is a political dirty trick and I am sad that he has done that.

That aside, his work is respectable and commendable and I will continue to respect him.

We have to be able to take this kind of blind side. I never expected him to say these things but he has. Throwing the man under the bus is the absolute wrong thing to do. I hope we do not see that.

Z_California

(650 posts)
222. Grammar can help here
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

"Infer" is something the listener does. Used in a sentence, "People who listen to this quote by Rep. Lewis may INFER that Bernie is lying about his efforts in the Civil Rights movement in the '60's."

"Imply" is something the speaker does. "By saying he never met Bernie back in the 60's but that he DID meet the Clintons, Rep. Lewis is IMPLYING that the Clintons were involved in the Civil Rights movement but Bernie wasn't". It becomes a clear implication by omission of the fact that he met the Clintons later, in the '70's, not in the 60's when Rep. Lewis didn't meet most of the thousands of protesters who were behind the movement (another fact also omitted by design).

We should probably also look at the word "Implode". This is what is happening not only to the Clinton campaign at the moment, but also to the Democratic Party, as the Clintons are busy using up their political capital to continue a dishonest smear campaign against a hell of a good guy who has been fighting on the side of the oppressed from the very beginning of his adulthood.






 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
227. Hillary keeps saying she ran for president in 2008
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

But I didn't see her there so it must not have happened.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
231. No doubt in my mind that John Lewis is questioning Bernie's bona fides as a civil rights activist.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

As I read John's statement about meeting the Clinton's in 1976 - and reading Bill's recollection that it was during the Carter campaign when Bill was working for Jimmy Carter in Georgia - I recall that Bill was the Texas coordinator for the George McGovern campaign in 1972. He saw Hale Boggs off at the airport on his list flight in Alaska. So in both 1972 and 1976, Bill and Hillary were campaigning and also shopping around for FOB's to add to their Rolodex. This is political activism, not civil rights activism. The first time I heard of Hillary was 1972 with the Nixon impeachment hearings in Congress.

Trying to strip Bernie of his civil rights credentials is about the lowest of the low, and I'm disappointed with John Lewis letting his legacy be used as a political tool. In the 1960's, Bernie was putting it on the line when it mattered most, when it was most dangerous, and while Bill and Hillary were in high school, college and law school.

No complaints about attending school, and I voted for Clinton twice. But not for Hillary this time. She talks about having experience, and getting things done, but .... WHAT THINGS, at .... WHAT PRICE?

Edited to remind that Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman were Jewish boys from the North who traveled to Mississippi and met their deaths at the hands of the Klan. Did John Lewis meet them?

moondust

(19,993 posts)
287. Growing up in Arkansas
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

and cultivating pals like these guys, I imagine young Billy became quite fluent in the fine arts of dog whistles, race baiting, and innuendo. Would be interesting to go back and examine what was said and done in his race for governor there.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
300. But it is great that you got involved
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

I think some, who talk about it on the internet, think that doing that is enough. I admire people who actually get out in the street and walk the talk.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
237. In Fact, John Lewis Did Not Support The Barack Obama...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

In 2007 EITHER -- So What Again Does His Support Is Suppose To Mean To African-Americans and Who They Choose to be POTUS Again?

NOTHING!

"

From NBC's Mark Murray - October 12, 2007

Well, the Obama campaign might be winning the spin war over Clinton's remarks on Iran yesterday, but the Clinton camp picks up a key endorsement from civil-rights leader Rep. John Lewis (D). In a statement posted on the Clinton campaign's Web site, Lewis says, "I have looked at all the candidates, and I believe that Hillary Clinton is the best prepared to lead this country at a time when we are in desperate need of strong leadership. She will restore a greater sense of community in America, and reclaim our standing in the world."

That Lewis would endorse Clinton over Obama -- the first African-American with a legitimate chance of winning the Dem nomination -- is a blow to the Illinois senator's campaign."


http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2007/10/12/4429945-john-lewis-endorses-clinton

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
241. S0 John Lewis did not support Obama...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Thanks for sharing that news story. I had forgotten. What's up with this guy?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
249. No Problem!!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

If John Lewis Want TO Jump On the Bus, He Deserves To Be Expected To Pay His Fare.

Either He Corrects The Record on Bernie Sanders or Face Criticism - Which He Should - Now TWICE OVER for picking the Wrong POTUS Candidate.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
256. The Primaries Were In 2007/2008....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

So, umm and ---

When did Barack Obama Declare His Intent to Seek The Democratic Nomination Again:



John Lewis Was NOT THERE. #FYI!!!

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
240. Wild that Lewis remembers meeting Bill Clinton while Bill was in college at Georgetown.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

But I guess he could have met him at Fulbrights office, but that would be strange because Fulbright was a segregationist as most were in the south at the time.

Kind of like the Forest Gump story, people meet others in strange ways and in strange circumstances.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
247. I'm sure John Lewis was not the only person there...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

Other were there, so pretty easy to compare notes.

DaveT

(687 posts)
251. Wow -- closing in on 250 replies
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

A debate over John Lewis's bizarre comment that he never saw Sanders in the old days. OK. He never saw him.


Hillary, her brain trust and her supporters learned nothing on Tuesday night. I am relieved.


You wanna run with this barn burner of an issue? Oh God, please put about 20 million dollars into attack ads against Bernie for never meeting John Lewis.

What a bunch of maroons.

DaveT

(687 posts)
306. What the hell does that mean?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:34 AM
Feb 2016

I trust him too. He never met Sanders in the old days.

So what? Seriously, what does that have to do with anything?

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
270. I'm not sure why this picture, taken last year, is relevant to this discussion
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

but since it's being posted all over the place, maybe it shows that John Lewis knows Bernie Sanders now.

He also knows Hillary Clinton. When he had to decide whom to endorse in the primaries, he decided to endorse Hillary.

End of story.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
286. You're right - maybe they're hoping people will think it was taken in March 1965
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

Right before Lewis and Sanders linked arms and marched over the bridge together and were beaten and gassed by the Alabama State Troopers

Stainless

(718 posts)
273. Bernie's history is well documented and readily available in the public record
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

This appears to be willful ignorance and shameless pandering on the part of John Lewis. What a travesty it is for an icon of the Civil Right Movement to tarnish his image in such a pathetic manner.

Does John Lewis really think that he is the only person who is worthy to determine the authenticity of everyone who ever worked in the Civil Rights struggle?

The buffoonery on the part of Hillary supporters in putting this out there shows how utterly terrified the Democratic establishment truly is of Bernie's message and his appeal to people willing to listen and to think.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
278. Seems to me the two would have personally exchanged civil rights
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

"insider" stories during their decades long association in the House of Representatives. Same side of the aisle and all.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
279. That can't be true
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

On DU I was told in the most emphatic terms that Bernie had done more for civil rights than anyone.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
282. Not my man John Lewis. Not my man John Lewis. Tell me it ain't so. Why John Why?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:27 PM
Feb 2016

*sigh* My God.

Hillary is desperate.
John's paying back a favor but he needs to cut the Clintons loose.
The Clintons ain't on our side.

We have a choice for once.
We don't have to hold our nose & vote against the Republican this time.
This is 2008 all over again & she's scared to DEATH!
This IS her last chance to fulfill her old childhood ambition.
To be the First Female President of the United States.
So she will do ANYTHING it takes. I just hoped it wouldn't be this.

If Hillary had integrity & stuck to her guns on progressive issues, she would have no problem fulfilling that childhood ambition.
We would have GLADLY made her the First Female President.
But you sold out. You got compromised. You got corrupted.

If we have a choice, we will not support you.
There's a reason why you keep getting blindsided by candidates who run from "The Left".
You have no conviction other than reaching this last achievement of being the First Female President of the United States.

Obama didn't quite live up to that 2008 campaign but I'm glad he ran it.
It set the stage for a new energized coalition that will run politics in America for the next coming decades.
Bernie is taking advantage of the coalition Obama forged & will follow through on what that campaign stood for.
And he has ALL the credentials backing him up to do it.

John Lewis despite participating in this foolishness I still respect you.
Nobody can take away YOUR credentials in the Movement.
But please don't let yourself get tainted with the skullduggery of the Clintons.
There's no future in that. Their time is over.
He was the best we could do in 1992 to slow down that Republican coalition.
We have better choices now.

And furthermore John, it won't work.
This is the Information Age now.
You can tell a whole story with a simple GIF that goes viral in meme form.
I know you may owe the Clintons favors but don't pay 'em back like this.
People will see right through it. Enough of them will anyway.

Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic nominee & there's nothing Hillary Rodham & her Superdelegates can do about it.
Next go round. Try integrity. It especially works when you do it when it's unpopular.
John Lucas

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
284. Excellent fund raiser for Bernie
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

The more lies and character assassination by Clinton supporters,
the more $$$ goes out to Bernie.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
292. I know John Lewis and he is a hero, but
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

his remark about "I never saw him, I never met him," is beneath him.

There were millions of people in the Civil Rights Movement. Whether or not they all got to meet John Lewis is not any kind of a legitimate litmus test. I certainly hope no one ever tells me I wasn't active in the anti-apartheid movement in the 1980s because they never saw me at a protest. Or that I wasn't a student leader in the Jerry Brown for President Campaign ('92) because they met me. Or that I wasn't at President Obama's first inauguration because they don't recall seeing me there.

It's just a completely, thoroughly, and in all other ways, ludicrous thing to say.

Rep. Lewis has every right to support Hillary and I'm sure he has very good reasons for doing so that I would never dare to impugn. But "I never saw Bernie Sanders during the Civil Rights Movement" is not one of them.

Respect.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
296. It's a shame Mr Lewis didn't watch himself in American Blackout
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:01 PM
Feb 2016

An excellent documentary. With John Lewis and Bernie Sanders talking about voter disenfranchisement. From IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492443/

Chronicles the recurring patterns of disenfranchisement witnessed from 2000 to 2004 while following the story of Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who not only took an active role in investigating these election debacles but also found herself in the middle of one after publicly questioning the Bush Administration about the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Some call Cynthia McKinney a civil rights leader among the ranks of Shirley Chisholm and Malcolm X. Others call her a conspiracy theorist and a 'looney.' American Blackout gains unprecedented access to one of the most controversial and dangerous politicians in America and examines the contemporary tactics used to control our democratic process and silence political dissent. The film features interviews with: US Congressional Representatives, John Lewis, Cynthia McKinney, John Conyers, Bernie Sanders, and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones; former US Civil Rights Commissioner & Dean of UC Berkeley's School of Law, Christopher Edley; BBC journalist ... Written by Ian Inaba

Another article about this Sundance winning film.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/130538/coming-soon-theater-near-you-cynthia-mckinney-kathryn-jean-lopez

I can't imagine why Senator Sanders is given time in this film when he has never done anything for civil rights.

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