2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMedia Reporting Un-cast Super Delegate Votes for Hillary Clinton Misleading & Unethical
The numbers reported out of NH may very well not be the case as we move forward. Some of Hillary's superdelegates changed to Obama in the end, in 2008. So anyone concerned about the delegate count, watch this, and be heartened. The media is using the un-cast votes in order to undermine our enthusiasm in the process.
blm
(113,065 posts)Note to some (not all) HRC supporters here at DU - stop the gloating. It wasn't cool when you were complaining about the process back in 2008, and it isn't cool that some (not all) are gloating about it now.
In my opinion.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)But posting facts to rebut incorrect statements is something that I like to do, no matter whom I support.
blm
(113,065 posts)Broad paint brushing causes unneeded fury, too.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)We have much more in common than not. Too many seem to forget that in the heat of the campaign. I certainly do not include you among them.
The issue of SDs is confusing for many (both newbies and those who just never paid attention in previous elections). The reactions include knee-jerk denial and accusations of unfairness. But it is what it is.
As I noticed in your excellent OP on the topic, you invited those who found SDs to be unfair to work towards remedying the situation in future elections. I didn't notice whether anyone ever took you up on the invitation. Many seem to want it to be different NOW - just for Bernie, either not knowing or not caring why SDs exist in the first place and not thinking long-term at all.
Instant gratification predominates among too many who really do not understand the day-in day-out work of people who don't just wake up to politics once every four years.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)So yes, some SDs may switch from Hillary to Bernies IF he wins the majority of primary delegates. He is a LONG way from doing that right now. As can be seen, only 50 switched in 2008 before Hillary released them during the convention - as is the usual practice.
But as to your headline, the media reporting is neither misleading nor unethical. It is factual.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)do you know of any current running total on delegates that lays out how they looked moving forward, too?
I really would like to see how it looks compared to 08 ...
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)that would provide a delegate-to-delegate comparison to 2008. 2016 running totals for both parties can be found here: http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-primary-delegate-count/
For an excellent overview of the 2016 presidential nominations: calendar and delegate rules, see: https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_nominations:_calendar_and_delegate_rules
An overview of the Democratic Presidential Primaries can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
FiveThirtyEight provides weighted totals of endorsements for each candidate (counting elected Reps, Senators, and Governors in the total): http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/
A comprehensive list of all persons who have endorsed Democratic candidates can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016 But you have to continue to the respective candidate's site to see who endorsed whom. Links are provided.
Lots to see and learn. Good luck!
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)My sense is that bho was postioned a little better with delegates than bernie, I just am trying to see how he is tracking at the same point compared to bho.