2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTwo Prominent Black Intellectuals Just Delivered a Blow to Hillary Clinton
After a crushing loss in New Hampshire on Tuesday night, Hillary Clinton may be having an even worse morning. As her campaign turns to South Carolina, where she hopes to win the primary with the support of African American voters on February 27, two prominent black intellectuals issued forceful statements Wednesday morning that could boost her rival, Bernie Sanders.
"I will be voting for Sen. Sanders," Ta-Nehisi Coates, a correspondent for The Atlantic and the author of the 2015 National Book Award winner Between the World and Me, said Wednesday in an interview on Democracy Now! Coates has written critically of Sanders recently for not embracing reparations for African Americans as part of his economic and social justice platform.
A much stronger rebuke of Clinton came from Michelle Alexander, the author of The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, who blasted the former secretary of state in an essay published Wednesday on the website of The Nation titled "Why Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote."
{snip}
But the comments from Coates and Alexander Wednesday are a sign that the degree of support Clinton is counting on from the black community might be slipping away, and that she may not be able to sew up the black vote in South Carolina, as her supporters have long predicted.
Full article (and interesting read) at this link: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/two-prominent-black-intellectuals-just-came-out-bernie-sanders
Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)
6chars This message was self-deleted by its author.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Really excellent stuff, I will post the clip if I can find it.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Greed
Militarism
Racism
I think Bernie has those covered.
jillan
(39,451 posts)these 3 evils.
I can't watch Rachel... her HRC bias is so apparent
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Opposition to Reparations. Democracy Now! interview Feb. 10.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)come on ta-nehisi, i've been keeping the political pulse much better than you, could've told you so in 2014.
this new populist wave shouldn't be a surprise for anyone paying attention, shame on hrc and others for not doing so.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)forthrightly.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... "that was the 90s" as if the other stuff wasn't
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)bernie getting slammed by the clintons for supporting the clintons is bizarro world
uponit7771
(90,347 posts).... and that's the double standard
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)and has taken for profit prison money also
lots of us trusted the clintons more than we should of during bill's term so i don't blame bernie
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)astray into rhetoric I saw as racist and right wing. To try to claim she was neutral in it is absurd. I can post videos of her talking about those 'super predator kids' and bringing them to heel and on and on and on. In fact those videos can fill DU. Is that what you'd like?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and since she couldn't vote on it she doesn't have the same onus of responsibility that Sanders had.
Sanders voted for the bill Hillary Clinton did not... she was not in office at the time
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)This question is answered differently, constantly. HRC refers to her 90s health care initiative as a genuine political policy effort. She was not in office. What's your conclusion?
Punx
(446 posts)by Ben Jeaolus last night. I found him to be exceptionally well spoken. And not because I agreed with what he had to say, but the way he said it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I saw this CSpan interview with Robinson years ago, and it is devastating to the Clinton machine. I wish I could post it directly, but it's from CSpan and for some odd reason, you can't do that. I was thinking of creating a video using pieces of this interview. It's not current, but it definitely lends insight into how brutal Clinton was to black people around the world. Well worth watching to get a sense of the brutality toward black nations during his presidency.
One of our great modern scholar/activists, Randall Robinson shares a personal experience with the beloved former President- often referred to as the "first black President".
Randall Robinson On CSpan
senz
(11,945 posts)Because Bernie has always been on their side, and Clinton, never.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... right.
Oh, he also lost NH PoC too... not by much but... well
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)But recognizing that Bernie, like Hillary, has blurred vision when it comes to race is not the same thing as saying their views are equally problematic. Sanders opposed the 1996 welfare-reform law. He also opposed bank deregulation and the Iraq War, both of which Hillary supported, and both of which have proved disastrous. In short, there is such a thing as a lesser evil, and Hillary is not it.
On the other hand, you do have 85% of the Congressional Black Caucus outright endorsing Hillary (100% of the leadership) (vs a single endorsement for Bernie), and only 6 of its members uncommitted.
Whomever is the next President does still need congress to actually pass laws. Only one of our candidates has that support:
39 US Senators have now Endorsed Hillary.
1 US Senator has endorsed Bernie.
158 Representatives from the House have endorsed Hillary.
2 have endorsed Bernie Sanders.
Please explain how he is going to bully pulpit the Republicans into passing his agenda when he can't even get his party to back his candidacy?
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Would expect him to have as much backing from Dem officeholders as Obama had in the 2008 general election.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)candidate Clinton without CBC membership input.
Rep. Keith Ellison Verified account
?@keithellison
Cong'l Black Caucus (CBC) has NOT endorsed in presidential. Separate CBCPAC endorsed withOUT input from CBC membership, including me. 7:47 AM - 11 Feb 2016
https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/697809288203522048
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280115759
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)He's the only one. Yes the CBC, and the CBC PAC are 2 seperate entities, however the PAC is made up of a number of actual CBC members, including the Whip from the leadership. So saying it was done without input is completely inaccurate since at the VERY least the members that are part both did have input.
The Actual Member list
https://cbc-butterfield.house.gov/members
Hillary Clinton Endorsements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#U.S._Representatives
Between those 2 we have:
GK Butterfield Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Yvette Clarke Vice Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Andre Carson Second Vice Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Karen Bass Secretary : Endorsed Hillary
Hakeem Jeffries Whip : Endorsed Hillary
Alma Adams : Endorsed Hillary
Joyce Beatty : Endorsed Hillary
Corrine Brown : Endorsed Hillary
Wm. Lacy Clay : Endorsed Hillary
Emanuel Cleaver, II : Endorsed Hillary
John conyers, Jr. : Endorsed Hillary
Elijah E Cummings : Endorsed Hillary
Danny K Davis : Endorsed Hillary
Donna F. Edwards : Endorsed Hillary
Chaka Fattah : Endorsed Hillary
Marcia L Fudge : Endorsed Hillary
Al Green : Endorsed Hillary
Alcee L Hastings : Endorsed Hillary
Eleanor Holmes : Endorsed Hillary
Sheila Jackson : Endorsed Hillary
Eddie Bernice Johnson : Endorsed Hillary
Hank Johnson : Endorsed Hillary
Robin Kelly : Endorsed Hillary
Brenda Lawrence : Endorsed Hillary
John Lewis : Endorsed Hillary
Gregory W. Meeks : Endorsed Hillary
Gwen Moore : Endorsed Hillary
Donald M Payne, Jr. : Endorsed Hillary
Stacey Plaskett : Endorsed Hillary
Charles B Rangel : Endorsed Hillary
Cedric Richmond : Endorsed Hillary
David Scott : Endorsed Hillary
Robert bobby C Scott : Endorsed Hillary
Terri A Sewell : Endorsed Hillary
Bennie Thompson : Endorsed Hillary
Marc Veasey : Endorsed Hillary
Maxine Waters : Endorsed Hillary
Bonnie Watson : Endorsed Hillary
Frederica Wilson : Endorsed Hillary
Keith Ellison : Endorsed Sanders
Sanford D Bishop
Corey Booker
James E Clyburn
Barbara Lee
Mia love
Bobby L Rush
So, 100% of the leadership, including 39 endorsements for Hillary 1 endorsement for Bernie, and 6 undeclared.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)
release given to the media is not accurate. The CBC PAC was established to help members run for congress.
The correct story should be 'The CBC PAC Endorses Candidate'.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So don't count Mia for Hillary you know?
It's also worth bearing in mind that this is not the Perfected Sages Caucus, and it is a caucus that is not always right, and the individual members are certainly not always right.
On DOMA William Clay, Elijah Cummings, Cleo Fields, Harold Ford, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Major Owens, Bennie Thompson and Mel Watt did even bother to cast a vote while CBC Members Sanford Bishop, Corrine Brown, Eva Clayton, James Clyburn, Cardiss Collins, Floyd Flake, Earl Hilliard, William Jefferson, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Bobby Rush and Albert Wynn voted for DOMA.
Voting No were Barbara-Rose Collins, John Conyers, Ron Dellums, Julian Dixon, Chaka Fattah, Alcee Hastings, Jesse Jackson Jr., John Lewis, Carrie Meek, Cynthia McKinney, Juanita Millender-McDonald, Donald Payne, Charlie Rangel, Robert Scott, Louis Stokes, Edolphus Towns and Maxine Waters.
The majority of the caucus was either in favor of DOMA or utterly apathetic. 2/3 of that caucus also voted for the Crime Bill including 100% of caucus leadership.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)There is no : Endorsed Hillary next to Mia's name. She is not one of the number I counted for Hillary. She is one of the 6x at the bottom that has no endorsement by her name.
You got me, Here, in this conversation about the Democratic Primary I didn't mention that she endorsed Rubio. I'll take your word for it though. Point for you.
Is it irony that you mention the same crime bill that Bernie voted yes on?
On DOMA, Was I mistaken that this is a conversation about African American support of Democratic candidates in 2016? How about we just go after the vast majority of Americans at the time of DOMA when only 27% of Americans period supported gay marriage (ref below graph)? Or do you prefer to just go after African American leadership? I'll grant that DOMA was a disgusting thing, I'm not going to fault the politicians of the time for being the product of the overwhelming public opinion at that time.
Why stop at DOMA, are we also going back to 70% of black voters voting for Prop 8 as well? If so, tell me now, and I'll back out of the conversation. I have no interest in participating in right wing talking points that attack the African American community.
I'm glad as hell that the SCOTUS decided right on this issue. Especially since it's finally given my own husband and I the equality and equal recognition as well. DOMA was awful, luckily the majority of society has evolved. I have no interest in a conversation that will only further divide the party, and possibly start swinging that public opinion back the other way.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)In 2008, many insisted that Obama drop out as Clinton had the vast majority of endorsements and super delegates. Having these things does not mean you will win.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...out number these guys along with poll numbers.
Don't get all happy and ish
Chakab
(1,727 posts)Why is anybody supposed to be swayed by establishment politicians supporting one the most prominent members of the party?
turbo_satan
(372 posts)Michelle Alexander's article is devastating and should give Hillary supporters pause, even if Bill is the one to blame for the devastation his actions wrought on the AA community. But Hillary was an enthusiastic supporter and she should be held to account for her actions. Bernie also has some explaining to do, having supported the Clintons' crime bill. And he has explained his reluctant support; but the (un?)intended consequences of this legislation demand more adequate explanation.
Finally, for all of us white folks discussing the Clinton/Sanders match-up vis-a-vis race, Charles Blow wrote a great piece in the NYT yesterday. Called "Stop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters," Blow's writing stopped me dead in my tracks. Although the title makes it sound like Blow is being a scold, it would behoove both Hillary and Bernie supporters to read this article and take it to heart.
Lots of food for thought.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Chakab
(1,727 posts)in the past.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)check this out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511200848
Chakab
(1,727 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)share your opinion. But you are entitled to it.
Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)
Name removed Message auto-removed