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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:22 AM Feb 2016

The More Bernie Sanders Wins, the More Establishment Liberals Will Tell You He Can’t Win


This post first appeared at Jacobin.

Bernie Sanders won the New Hampshire Democratic primary last night.

Edith Wharton described it best:

The blast that swept him came off New Hampshire snow-fields and ice-hung forests. It seemed to have traversed interminable leagues of frozen silence, filling them with the same cold roar and sharpening its edge against the same bitter black-and-white landscape.


Some fascinating tidbits about the Democratic primary voters from the New York Times exit poll:

• 72 percent of the voters said that the candidates’ issues were more important to them than the candidates’ leadership or personal qualities; only 25 percent of the voters said that the latter was more important to them. This confirms what Jedediah Purdy argued in an excellent piece contrasting Sanders’s candidacy with Obama’s candidacy. Obama’s campaign was about him; Sanders’s campaign is about the issues.
• 68 percent of the voters described their philosophy as either “very liberal” or “somewhat liberal.” 31 percent said it was “moderate” or “conservative.” What’s interesting about this data — beyond the leftward shift it marks — is that independents are allowed to vote in Democratic primaries in New Hampshire. In this primary, 41 percent of the voters were either independents or undeclared. That we get that kind of ideological skew in a primary that includes independents, who are often reputed to be moderates, is telling.
• 63 percent of the voters want to replace the current health care system with a single-payer plan.
• Only 16 percent of the voters said they were getting ahead financially (as opposed to keeping steady or falling behind); Clinton did her best among those voters.
• 80 percent of the voters said they were very or somewhat worried about the economy; Sanders won nearly two-thirds of those voters. 20 percent of the voters said they were not too worried or not worried at all about it. Clinton won 57 percent of those voters.
• Only 10 percent of the voters said terrorism was the most important issue for them.
• 48 percent of the voters decided upon their candidate in the last month. That suggests the race is still very fluid and that it is not until the campaigns come to the different states that voters really settle upon their choices.

The best comment of the evening, though, goes to my CUNY colleague David Jones, who is providing commentary to the New York Times:

Even so, there were a few silver linings for Mrs. Clinton. . . . And, though Mrs. Clinton lost nearly every income group, she did carry voters in families earning over $200,000 per year.


Remember, back in 1992, Bill Clinton placed second in the New Hampshire primary, and he declared, “New Hampshire tonight has made Bill Clinton the Comeback Kid.” Twenty-four years later, Hillary Clinton places second in the New Hampshire, and her campaign declares, New Hampshire doesn’t matter. .................(more)

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18844/bernie-sanders-primary-new-hampshire-hillary-clinton




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The More Bernie Sanders Wins, the More Establishment Liberals Will Tell You He Can’t Win (Original Post) marmar Feb 2016 OP
Well . . . Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #1
Bernie is anti-establishment RobertEarl Feb 2016 #3
If candidate Clinton has the best shot at it versus Bernie I doubt the "unofficial" endorsement of Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #2

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
1. Well . . .
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

At least you called us Hillary supporters liberals!

Funny how Bernie is owning the non-establishment title, yet Bernie has been part of Washington longer than Hillary. Very skillful.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. Bernie is anti-establishment
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie may be considered establishment but he has shown he doesn't like the way the establishment has been acting.

Who does? Establishment members, besides Bernie, are all in for more bribes, less democracy.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. If candidate Clinton has the best shot at it versus Bernie I doubt the "unofficial" endorsement of
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

her by Obama would have been made so soon. Amazing how quickly they felt she needed
a life line.

They don't seem confident about her odds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/25/make-no-mistake-obama-just-tried-to-undercut-bernie-sanders/

"I think the president has signaled while still remaining neutral that he supports Secretary Clinton's candidacy and would prefer to see her as the nominee," Carney said on CNN Wednesday following coverage of the president's speech to the Illinois state Senate in Springfield.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/who-does-obama-want-to-be-president-219097#ixzz3zpHPVNZm

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