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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:25 AM Feb 2016

Rep Jeffries just pointed out on @CNN it was Bernie who voted yes on 94 crime bill; not Hillary. Bam

Good reminder for everyone.

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Roni ?@paleblueeyes24 8h8 hours ago

Rep Jeffries just pointed out on @CNN it was Bernie who voted yes on 94 crime bill; not Hillary. Bam!!! Oh & the CBC endorses her.





................The [Clinton] campaign announced the endorsement of South Carolina House Democratic Leader J. Todd Rutherford on Wednesday and a slew of other political leaders in the state.

Rutherford joined Jeffries in sharply denouncing Sanders for being "missing in action" on issues that matter to black voters.

[For Trump and Sanders, new challenges loom after victory in N.H.]

Rutherford faulted Sanders for voting in favor of a 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which has been blamed for helping to usher in an era of mass incarceration. Former president Bill Clinton, who signed the bill into law, has expressed regret for the consequences of the legislation.


"He only really started talking about issues concerning African Americans in the last 40 days," Rutherford said. "On the question of social justice for African Americans, the record is thin.".............



Black leaders who support Hillary Clinton slam Bernie Sanders on race issues


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/10/black-leaders-who-support-hillary-clinton-slam-bernie-sanders-on-race-issues/



By Abby Phillip February 10 at 3:25 PM

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Rep Jeffries just pointed out on @CNN it was Bernie who voted yes on 94 crime bill; not Hillary. Bam (Original Post) riversedge Feb 2016 OP
And because Jeffries is being honest Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #1
Yep, but it will make a great sound bite for Clinton and her super pacs I bet casperthegm Feb 2016 #9
Absolutely. Unfortunately that's what politics is Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #18
If I was his campaign manager I'd prepare him for this crap tonight casperthegm Feb 2016 #23
Yes, that is his biggest problem. polly7 Feb 2016 #33
Exactly, these two videos tell the true story: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #10
when you're a Hillary surrogate you do dishonesty......that explains the vote in NH virtualobserver Feb 2016 #27
+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #36
so to put it in context Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
Deceitful crap from hilly flacks cali Feb 2016 #2
It's only going to get uglier HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #5
Yes, and if you criticize a black elected official, they'll call you a racist cali Feb 2016 #6
Me, too. Punkingal Feb 2016 #41
Deceitful? So you deny that he voted for it? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #7
It must be nice to believe there is no nuance in politics Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #11
Do you actually think all votes are cut and dried. If cali Feb 2016 #13
The bill also included an assault weapons ban thesquanderer Feb 2016 #17
yes he voted for the violence against woman's act Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #29
Im just glad when he vetoed it bill was so stro g on the issue SwampG8r Feb 2016 #34
Results of Jury TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #24
glad it was not hidden Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #30
*facepalm* TCJ70 Feb 2016 #3
Right. But she did support it, and it was her husband's bill. (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #22
and he spoke against it but had to vote yes as it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #31
Jeffries, just another dishonest in-the-tank establishment politician. Broward Feb 2016 #4
Watch out. The new tactic is to insinuate you're a racist cali Feb 2016 #8
The others didn't work so now you are right Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #21
What Hillary said about the bill Mnpaul Feb 2016 #12
beat me to it UglyGreed Feb 2016 #15
"Super predators" and "bring them to heel" Disgusting. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16
wow. very interesting! nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #20
can you find bernies speech Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #35
Some of us are old enough to remember and I took part in the opposition to the Crime Bill Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #42
. UglyGreed Feb 2016 #14
And who signed that bill into law? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #19
Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter! It was Bill Clinton! Divernan Feb 2016 #32
Hillary is not pure on this. Vinca Feb 2016 #25
Kinda funny Uponthegears Feb 2016 #28
yeap uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37
Hillary was not in office, she of course could not vote for it. djean111 Feb 2016 #38
Did Rep Jeffries explain why Sanders should have voted against the Violence Against Women act? jeff47 Feb 2016 #39
Looks like your 'Bam' was a dud. Where's the rest of the story? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #40
This thread explains Bernie's vote AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #43

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
1. And because Jeffries is being honest
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:39 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sure he pointed out that Bernis denounced the bill in every form but they then added into it The Violence Against Women Act and he felt he had to vote for it. Right?

I'm sure he mentioned this:
Even in 1991, Bernie spoke against what he saw as a, “so-called crime prevention bill… let’s be honest, this is not a crime prevention bill this is a punishment bill”—

Didn't think so.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
9. Yep, but it will make a great sound bite for Clinton and her super pacs I bet
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:51 AM
Feb 2016

I can definitely see her super pacs mentioning this in an ad and conveniently leave out the rest of the story. Politics, gotta love it.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
18. Absolutely. Unfortunately that's what politics is
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:00 AM
Feb 2016

Sound bites for the media to promote.

Clinton's campaign can't seem to focus on her positives so they have to mislead the public. And the media help

Bernie isn't a soundbite candidate. He believes people should be smart enough to to fully understand issues and complicated votes. He is going to have to find a way to beat back the innuendo and half-truths of the Clinton campaign. And it's hard when he has at his core, integrity and honesty.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
23. If I was his campaign manager I'd prepare him for this crap tonight
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

I'd have Bernie turn to the moderators and say "The fact checkers are going to have their hands full tonight."

polly7

(20,582 posts)
33. Yes, that is his biggest problem.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

He needs to start calling out the lies and half-truths for what they are a LOT more forcefully - oh ... but then it'll be back to 'angry man'. It's hard to win against these kinds of tactics but now that he has a good, savvy team, hopefully they'll respond to each and every slime and not let her go unchallenged with a single one of them.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
10. Exactly, these two videos tell the true story:
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:52 AM
Feb 2016


And this is why he voted for the VAWA:



But when you're a Hillary surrogate you don't do nuance and context.
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
27. when you're a Hillary surrogate you do dishonesty......that explains the vote in NH
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

in the group that cared about honesty, Bernie won 92 percent of the vote.

So what is their strategy going forward?.....doubling down on dishonesty.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. so to put it in context
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

He voted for the violence against woman's act and the rest of that big bill but spoke against that part of the crime bill just as he always has been. We are smart enough to know the context and point out the smear. Hillary of course will try that too

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
5. It's only going to get uglier
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:45 AM
Feb 2016

Their backs are against the wall so they're going to try and drive every narrative they can.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. Yes, and if you criticize a black elected official, they'll call you a racist
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:47 AM
Feb 2016

I've already had it happen.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
41. Me, too.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

I said that in 2004 John Lewis endorsed a Congressional candidate in Nevada that had gone to a Bush fundraiser and was a former law partner of Ted Olson. I was at the NV state convention and saw this speech, and it was very disappointing to me.

I was attacked for saying that. I didn't say he was evil incarnate...just that I was disappointed in him. I respect his Civil Rights work, he is a hero, but he is not a saint. But you can't even speak truth or common sense here without being accused of throwing someone under the bus, a phrase I have come to hate, or worse being told you are racist.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. Do you actually think all votes are cut and dried. If
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:54 AM
Feb 2016

he hadn't voted for it. Hilly toadies would be slamming him for voting against the Violence Against Women Act. Sometimes, voting in Congress is a Catch-22. If you actually give a shit about fairness, you'd watch the video of him up on this page.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
17. The bill also included an assault weapons ban
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:58 AM
Feb 2016

So you know that, if he had voted against it, they'd be throwing that against him now, too.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
29. yes he voted for the violence against woman's act
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

And spoke out on the floor about that part of the crime bill. Yes Hillary is being deceit full. He was right, she is throwing the kitchen sink at him.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
34. Im just glad when he vetoed it bill was so stro g on the issue
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

Oh wait ......he never did veto it he signed it over from a bill to a law.

TheFarS1de

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Feb 2016

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Duckhunter935

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30. glad it was not hidden
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:14 AM
Feb 2016

But I would not have used that Nam myself. The Hillary surrogates have nothing but posting have true deceitful post's. The think we are stupid or something.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. Watch out. The new tactic is to insinuate you're a racist
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:49 AM
Feb 2016

for daring to criticize a black elected official.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
21. The others didn't work so now you are right
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

It's Racism

And TAXES.

Mark my words. They will all be repeating those lines.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
12. What Hillary said about the bill
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:53 AM
Feb 2016

In her support for the 1994 crime bill, for example, she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. "Super predators" and "bring them to heel" Disgusting.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

Not to mention her racist 2008 campaign.

Hillary's supporters really need to stop pointing fingers at Bernie because no one has forgotten her record.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
42. Some of us are old enough to remember and I took part in the opposition to the Crime Bill
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

It had the support of a strong majority of Democrats, 2/3s of the Black Caucus and all leadership of that caucus were in favor of the Crime Bill. In the Senate, only 2 Democrats voted No, Russ Feingold and Richard Shelby. 54 Democratic Senators including Kennedy, Biden, Kerry and Boxer carried the Crime Bill to victory in the Senate.

I objected to Bernie's vote, to the votes of both of my Senators, my Rep was Maxine Waters who was a no vote. Of course Hillary Clinton was a strong advocate prior to the passage of the law and an ardent defender of the law and of the results of the law for years afterward.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
28. Kinda funny
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

What passes for your "lead story"

How do you spell "desperate?"

Hint: It starts with an "H"

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
38. Hillary was not in office, she of course could not vote for it.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:00 AM
Feb 2016

And it was stuck into a bill that Bernie would have been criticized for if he had not voted for it.

Doesn't make Hillary palatable, anyway. Nothing said about Bernie can make Hillary palatable to me. Nothing negates war, fracking, cluster bombs, the TPP, Wall Street cronyism. Nothing at all.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
39. Did Rep Jeffries explain why Sanders should have voted against the Violence Against Women act?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

Did he explain why Hillary Clinton lobbied for the bill?

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