2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRep Jeffries just pointed out on @CNN it was Bernie who voted yes on 94 crime bill; not Hillary. Bam
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Roni ?@paleblueeyes24 8h8 hours ago
Rep Jeffries just pointed out on @CNN it was Bernie who voted yes on 94 crime bill; not Hillary. Bam!!! Oh & the CBC endorses her.
................The [Clinton] campaign announced the endorsement of South Carolina House Democratic Leader J. Todd Rutherford on Wednesday and a slew of other political leaders in the state.
Rutherford joined Jeffries in sharply denouncing Sanders for being "missing in action" on issues that matter to black voters.
[For Trump and Sanders, new challenges loom after victory in N.H.]
Rutherford faulted Sanders for voting in favor of a 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which has been blamed for helping to usher in an era of mass incarceration. Former president Bill Clinton, who signed the bill into law, has expressed regret for the consequences of the legislation.
"He only really started talking about issues concerning African Americans in the last 40 days," Rutherford said. "On the question of social justice for African Americans, the record is thin.".............
Black leaders who support Hillary Clinton slam Bernie Sanders on race issues
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/10/black-leaders-who-support-hillary-clinton-slam-bernie-sanders-on-race-issues/
By Abby Phillip February 10 at 3:25 PM
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)I'm sure he pointed out that Bernis denounced the bill in every form but they then added into it The Violence Against Women Act and he felt he had to vote for it. Right?
I'm sure he mentioned this:
Even in 1991, Bernie spoke against what he saw as a, so-called crime prevention bill
lets be honest, this is not a crime prevention bill this is a punishment bill
Didn't think so.
casperthegm
(643 posts)I can definitely see her super pacs mentioning this in an ad and conveniently leave out the rest of the story. Politics, gotta love it.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Sound bites for the media to promote.
Clinton's campaign can't seem to focus on her positives so they have to mislead the public. And the media help
Bernie isn't a soundbite candidate. He believes people should be smart enough to to fully understand issues and complicated votes. He is going to have to find a way to beat back the innuendo and half-truths of the Clinton campaign. And it's hard when he has at his core, integrity and honesty.
casperthegm
(643 posts)I'd have Bernie turn to the moderators and say "The fact checkers are going to have their hands full tonight."
polly7
(20,582 posts)He needs to start calling out the lies and half-truths for what they are a LOT more forcefully - oh ... but then it'll be back to 'angry man'. It's hard to win against these kinds of tactics but now that he has a good, savvy team, hopefully they'll respond to each and every slime and not let her go unchallenged with a single one of them.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And this is why he voted for the VAWA:
But when you're a Hillary surrogate you don't do nuance and context.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)in the group that cared about honesty, Bernie won 92 percent of the vote.
So what is their strategy going forward?.....doubling down on dishonesty.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He voted for the violence against woman's act and the rest of that big bill but spoke against that part of the crime bill just as he always has been. We are smart enough to know the context and point out the smear. Hillary of course will try that too
cali
(114,904 posts)They all disgust me with their hypocrisy
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Their backs are against the wall so they're going to try and drive every narrative they can.
cali
(114,904 posts)I've already had it happen.
I said that in 2004 John Lewis endorsed a Congressional candidate in Nevada that had gone to a Bush fundraiser and was a former law partner of Ted Olson. I was at the NV state convention and saw this speech, and it was very disappointing to me.
I was attacked for saying that. I didn't say he was evil incarnate...just that I was disappointed in him. I respect his Civil Rights work, he is a hero, but he is not a saint. But you can't even speak truth or common sense here without being accused of throwing someone under the bus, a phrase I have come to hate, or worse being told you are racist.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I wish I could be as naive.
cali
(114,904 posts)he hadn't voted for it. Hilly toadies would be slamming him for voting against the Violence Against Women Act. Sometimes, voting in Congress is a Catch-22. If you actually give a shit about fairness, you'd watch the video of him up on this page.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)So you know that, if he had voted against it, they'd be throwing that against him now, too.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And spoke out on the floor about that part of the crime bill. Yes Hillary is being deceit full. He was right, she is throwing the kitchen sink at him.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Oh wait ......he never did veto it he signed it over from a bill to a law.
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But I would not have used that Nam myself. The Hillary surrogates have nothing but posting have true deceitful post's. The think we are stupid or something.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)She COULDN'T vote for it...
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Includes the violence against woman's act.
Broward
(1,976 posts)No surprise there.
cali
(114,904 posts)for daring to criticize a black elected official.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)It's Racism
And TAXES.
Mark my words. They will all be repeating those lines.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)In her support for the 1994 crime bill, for example, she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. They are not just gangs of kids anymore, she said. They are often the kinds of kids that are called super-predators. No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not to mention her racist 2008 campaign.
Hillary's supporters really need to stop pointing fingers at Bernie because no one has forgotten her record.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He had to vote for the bill due to other provisions
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It had the support of a strong majority of Democrats, 2/3s of the Black Caucus and all leadership of that caucus were in favor of the Crime Bill. In the Senate, only 2 Democrats voted No, Russ Feingold and Richard Shelby. 54 Democratic Senators including Kennedy, Biden, Kerry and Boxer carried the Crime Bill to victory in the Senate.
I objected to Bernie's vote, to the votes of both of my Senators, my Rep was Maxine Waters who was a no vote. Of course Hillary Clinton was a strong advocate prior to the passage of the law and an ardent defender of the law and of the results of the law for years afterward.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Who was President in 1994?
Here's a big, fat hint
http://www.c-span.org/video/?60148-1/crime-bill-signing-ceremony
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)If we're going for a trip in the wayback machine, this is mandatory reading:
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)What passes for your "lead story"
How do you spell "desperate?"
Hint: It starts with an "H"
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)And it was stuck into a bill that Bernie would have been criticized for if he had not voted for it.
Doesn't make Hillary palatable, anyway. Nothing said about Bernie can make Hillary palatable to me. Nothing negates war, fracking, cluster bombs, the TPP, Wall Street cronyism. Nothing at all.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Did he explain why Hillary Clinton lobbied for the bill?