So the Congressional Black Caucus will tell AAs tomorrow...

[grasswire]

....that it is more important to protect Barack Obama's legacy than it is to vote in their own self interest?

Is that the message?

[Cali_Democrat]

1. So now the Congressional Black Caucus has been thrown under the bus

It's getting awfully crowded under there.

[grasswire]

3. not at all

It is possible to question the actions of a group without losing all respect for the history and composition of the group.

[bravenak]

5. Sad

[workinclasszero]

75. Real sad

[NanceGreggs]

6. At this juncture ...

... the next round of Dems thrown under that bus will have to be the size of fleas.

And even with that restriction in place, there's only room for three of them.

[bravenak]

8. More busses will be coming

[NanceGreggs]

10. Had I known how this campaign was going to go ...

... I would have invested heavily in the vehicle-manufacturing industry.

[bravenak]

13. Hell! There's still time.

You can make boo coo money in a month.

[JRLeft]

17. Get ready for president Trump.

[bravenak]

19. Trump is fake

Next year he might be trying to be Bernie

[JRLeft]

22. Trump is racist as hell going back to the 70's, but I believe the democratic electorate

is fractured, this doesn't feel like 2008. The Republicans have more enthusiasm than the democrats.

[bravenak]

23. Who are we supposed to feel enthusiastic about?

Meh.

[JRLeft]

28. I feel you, but the it's obvious the youth will not support Hillary because she's not authentic.

Bernie fucked up by not engaging the black community from the beginning. Neither side have hired many minorities to work for their campaign.

[bravenak]

32. If Jill Stein was a Democrat she's have my vote.

But it is what it is and we do what we can with what we got.
His lack of engagement appears to be a fatal flaw. I'll just vote with the majority cause meh.

[JRLeft]

35. She's the best candidate, actually Barbara Lee is the best congressional member.

[bravenak]

39. Yep

And they are still a bit to the right for me so meh. I think i must be a weird far left but know nobody will ever do what i think makes sense democrat.

Nobody ever even thinks about going over the Tribal Treaties and giving land back. I think my approach is conservative because we get to keep some. It was stolen. But dors anybody wanna do that? No! Because they are too moderate and to the right to see that it is mild justice. Not even full justice.

Do they consider permanet and proportionate reresentation as a thing to be enshrines in law? No. Greedy. Will they give at least two full sentae seats to minority groups each with voting power to help end white supremacy? No. Selfish.

Really. She is the closest I can get but it's barely anything so it does not matter one bit.

[JRLeft]

40. I agree with that, Native Americans have had it bad, high suicide and

alcoholism rates.

[bravenak]

44. Sexual assault

My god my town has it bad

[JRLeft]

46. They had their country stolen from them with virtually nothing in return.

[m-lekktor]

62. I like her as well. nt

[bravenak]

98. I see her as the future. Hopefully

[NanceGreggs]

27. I dunno, brave ...

I think I missed the boat on this one.

A quick look at the list of Democrats who AREN'T already under a bus shows that just another two or three buses will be required for the few (D)s still standing.

Had I gotten in on the ground floor of this investment opportunity, I'd be wealthy enough to part of The Establishment - which means I'd be under one of my own buses right now.

The irony is downright O'Henry-esque.

[bravenak]

29. That is actually depressing.

Do you know how much we could donate if we had just taken transit operstions seriously? Billions. I could be an oligarch like Dr Dre and Oprah right now, mores the pity.
As it it I'll just watch this new Nascaresque show and extravaganza.

[JRLeft]

33. You trying to be on some Donald Trump shit? LMFAO

[bravenak]

41. Um? YEAH. I want to get something out of this.

[NanceGreggs]

36. Well, ya know ...

... I have to give a certain contingent here a BIG thumbs-up for their contribution to keeping a lot of us entertained.

Credit where due, and all that.

[bravenak]

42. Like a comedy show

[NanceGreggs]

45. And dare I say it?

"It's a show about nothin'."

[bravenak]

49. .

[Chitown Kev]

18. sheeeeit, fuck the busses

We can go right to the train yard on Howard Street in Chicago and get some of those -el trains.

[NanceGreggs]

31. The few remaining Dems ...

... who aren't already under a bus can probably fit under a golf cart.

[workinclasszero]

79. You can count on that

Bernie backers war on the democratic party demands it

[bravenak]

83. I really do no like primaries

[valerief]

2. Seems to be. Legacy, not policy. No we can't! No we can't! nt

[HooptieWagon]

4. Will they harangue the youth and call them stupid?

That seems to be the current plan, strange as it is.

[VulgarPoet]

91. Then we fracture the party, leave the Clintonistas scrambling.

Take the ground from beneath their feet, leave 'em Skywalking like Anakin.

[bravenak]

7. Who determines our own self interests? Seems presumptuous for others to decide

what is in our best interest for us without even asking what we think. We elect our congressmen, they represent us. We tell them how we feel about our 'best interest'. Maybe they know our 'best interests' from our own lips?

[oasis]

12. True that! (eom)

[SwampG8r]

59. You were speaking for natives upthread

As a native american i find it as offensive for you to tie your issues to me as you claim when others do it to you. Please.dont try to speak for us we do our own thinking.

[bravenak]

66. I was not speaking for them at all.

And I was discussing them just like people seems to discuss us without us there. Funny I never saw you try to put yourself in that and stop people from discussing us without permission. I will discuss what I please just like everyone else here says what they want to say without permission.

If I ever want your permission to discuss something I will inform you directly. No need to attempt to tell me what to discuss, I find it strange to be singled out for that pleasure.

[SwampG8r]

67. If you didnt see me you didnt look

[bravenak]

68. I looked. Just now in fact. Nope. Not there.

[SwampG8r]

70. Optometrists are available

[bravenak]

71. The reality remains that you did not come

No need to discuss it further

[SwampG8r]

73. Thats not reality at all

I even posted support in the aa forum
You need a bigger.....hat to pull this stuff from

[bravenak]

77. I am speaking of this week. Not there.

It happens so much i recognize the regulars who show up to give an assist regularly

[SwampG8r]

78. Cool story bro...

[bravenak]

85. Overused expression alert

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. LOL/NT

[NanceGreggs]

9. Yeah, that's what they're gonna be saying.

I guess it never occurs to you that millions of people are supporting HRC because THAT'S in their best interest?

(That's a rhetorical question. I'm pretty sure that has never occurred to you.)

[Number23]

11. Let me trash this before I get my black ass in trouble.

[Chitown Kev]

20. LOL, Laaaaaaaawd

[NanceGreggs]

38. I understand the sentiment ...

... and the reasoning behind it.

But for the record, it's when you "get your black ass in trouble" that you are at your FINEST!

Just sayin' is all.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. +1

[tazkcmo]

92. Wish you wouldn't.

Using your best restraint (easier said than done! lol), I support your efforts to make clear why you don't need anybody telling you what's in YOUR best interest and how it makes you feel when they do. I know you can do it and I also think it's important that you express it. Go for it!

This has nothing to do with which candidate we support but it has everything to do with respecting a person's ability to think for themselves!

[JI7]

14. aren't members of the CBC african american ?

[bravenak]

21. Somebody wanted them all primaried earlier

[Chitown Kev]

15. Who in the living hell are you

to decide what's in the best interests of African Americans?

[Recursion]

26. The white liberal savior complex runs deep, unfortunately. I blame Avatar. (nt)

[pinebox]

96. Who in the hell is Hillary to decide

what is best for POC?

BOOM!

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

[AgingAmerican]

16. They don't want to kill the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs

Just like the rest of the establishment Dems. I am starting to become convinced that establishment Democrats would rather see the Republicans win than give up the goose. It's pretty obvious, IMHO, that Hillary is hopelessly damaged goods.

[Cheese Sandwich]

24. I wonder will anyone say black people have a special place in hell if they don't vote for Hillary?

Or is that just for women voters in New Hampshire ?

[Recursion]

25. Whoever convinced Democrats that the line "if only you knew better, you would agree with us"

is persuasive, should be taken out behind the woodshed and flogged.

It doesn't work when we tell rural whites that. It doesn't work when we tell African Americans that. Stop insisting that people are "voting against their self interest" and actually listen to them and see what they see their own interests to be.

[grasswire]

34. I have listened, and I have observed.

The CBC tells us, regularly. BLM tells us. For generations now, AAs have been telling us what their own interests are and why and how they are not met. I attempt to advocate for those interests.

Maybe you can convince me that Hillary advocates for those interests.

[Recursion]

37. Why would I want to convince you of that?

I'm certainly not a Clinton supporter, and just factually I think her support among African Americans will be much, much weaker when the rubber meets the road than a lot of people think (though I think that will express itself in voters staying home rather than jumping to Sanders).

What I do see is two candidates who realistically have fuck-all to offer minorities, both of whom have some pretty significant baggage we're going to have to pull across the field to 270 electoral votes, in a year that's already going to be structurally difficult for the Democratic nominee, and neither of whom, I think, would be very good as President. So it's a "lesser evil" calculation that, as of now, Sanders is narrowly winning for me.

[senz]

30. What has Hillary Clinton ever done for PoC?

[Chitown Kev]

43. Ask Sandra Bland's mother

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/33c1340af432466085e28f0c784fe5f8/sandra-blands-mother-campaign-hillary-clinton

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Clinton will campaign next week with the mother of Sandra Bland, the Chicago-area woman who was discovered hanged in her jail cell three days after being pulled over for a routine traffic stop near Houston.

Geneva Reed-Veal will join the Democratic presidential candidate at a Feb. 17 voter mobilization event in Chicago. Bland's death has become a symbol of the racial inequalities in the criminal justice system. Her family, black leaders and other activists have questioned her treatment by white law enforcement officers and the determination she committed suicide.

Clinton is trying to boost her support among minority voters ahead of contests later this month in South Carolina and Nevada, where African-Americans and Latino voters make up a sizable part of the electorate. After an overwhelming defeat to rival Bernie Sanders on Tuesday night in New Hampshire and a razor-thin win in Iowa last week, two largely white states, Clinton hopes her support in the minority community can fuel a comeback.

And frankly:

I don't even support Clinton, for a lot of reasons: it hasn't even been 24 hours since I wrote a post (at DK) that sharply criticized Clinton.

But I am so tired of the arrogance of some Bernie Sanders supporters acting like they know better than black people.

[senz]

52. Oh, you didn't recognize her from my sig line? She's been there since mid-October.

Here's a larger image:



And here's the story behind it (it's a good read):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857

[uponit7771]

60. Isn't she supporting Clinton though?!

[msanthrope]

47. They probably have Stockholm Syndrome, according to one Bernie supporter here. nt.

[AgingAmerican]

51. They don't want to kill the corporate cash cow

Why else would they or any other establishment Dem back right wing?

[msanthrope]

53. Please, tell us more about the motivations of Black people.

I'm fascinated.

[AgingAmerican]

54. I am entitled to my own opinion

Even if you don't believe that I am

[msanthrope]

55. Absolutely you are entitled to your opinion. I'm asking you to expand upon it. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

93. More than one

The sentiment was met with approval by a number supporters.

Quite the exhibition.

[msanthrope]

95. Some people just let it all hang out before SC, yes? nt

[Beacool]

50. Here's Charles Blow's response to your question.

"I cannot tell you the number of people who have commented to me on social media that they don’t understand this support. “Don’t black folks understand that Bernie best represents their interests?” the argument generally goes. But from there, it can lead to a comparison between Sanders and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; to an assertion that Sanders is the Barack Obama that we really wanted and needed; to an exasperated “black people are voting against their interests” stance.

If only black people knew more, understood better, where the candidates stood — now and over their lifetimes — they would make a better choice, the right choice. The level of condescension in these comments is staggering."

[MrWendel]

58. Telling..

African Americans that they don't know what's best for their best interests is Bernie-splain' 101

[uponit7771]

61. Do you think this post could be offensive?

[Starry Messenger]

63. Um. Wow.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. Oh shit! We Negras had better fall in line!

Sigh....

[Odin2005]

65. Endorsing a woman who called young black men "superpredators".

[Nanjeanne]

69. It is the Congressional Black Caucus PAC which is different

Listening to Barbara Lee of the Congressional Black Caucus WHO IS NOT ENDORSING ANYONE - explain the difference. She is NOT a member of the CBC PAC. She said this is a group that raises money for specific candidates and they have a strong firewall between the actual CBC and the CBC PAC.

Wonder if the media will make the distinction?


I crack myself up!

[ChiciB1]

76. I Just Started A Thread About It...

Barbara Lee explained it and DID say she HAS NOT ENDORSED!

[brooklynite]

84. And the Planned Parenthood Action Fund was different from Planned Parenthood...

...didn't stop the outrage around here.

[Nonhlanhla]

72. Attacking black Democrats

is going to work out real fine for the Bernie campaign. Do proceed...

[ChiciB1]

74. Not EXACTLY... Please Watch Democracy Now Today...

Barbara Lee, CA was on... SHE HAS NOT ENDORSED and won't yet. You should watch to see what she said.

[NCTraveler]

80. I can't fathom what would lead one to this thought process. nt.

[notadmblnd]

82. dont know if you saw this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511199614

[azurnoir]

86. yep the PAC getting some of it's funding from Vic Fazio lobbyist for

Corrections Corp of America

http://littlesis.org/person/2235/Victor_H_Fazio

[polly7]

90. That's interesting! nt.

[HassleCat]

87. Self interest

They believe the interests of black voters will be best served by electing more black candidates to office, and they believe Hillary Clinton will help them with that.

[tazkcmo]

88. They're not alone.

There's a lot of people telling AA's exactly what is in their best interest as if they can't determine it on their own. I personally think my African American, Hispanic, Asian, European, Native American fellow citizens are quite capable of making their own decisions based on what they view is most important to them in spite of what any Congressional Caucus members, celebrities, candidate supporters or anonymous message board posters (like me) say or think.

Present the facts. Compare and contrast the candidates' records. Refrain from comment as it can seem condescending. That's my advice but I'm nobody. Just a dude.

[Bobbie Jo]

89. Keep it up...

[bigtree]

94. you should listen and see for yourself

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. This thread is a classic./nt