So not being a Dem all your life = Fuck your civil rights accomplishments

[d_legendary1]

Just watched Anderson Cooper interview J. Todd Rutherford and this just struck me as bizzare:

"...In South Carolina we believe that someone who is going to run for president as a Democrat should have run as a Democrat before now. He's running as an independent. He's new to the game of catering to African Americans and caring about our interest...and because you get arrested over, I believe, he was quoted as saying that he marched on Washington, well know that Republicans have as well. You know I come from a state where Republicans sometimes stand in the room or be present in a march, but that doesn't mean that they believe in what we believe in. What we're talking about are the history are that the Clinton have...that Clinton's have in this state, the history that they have with individuals on a one on one basis of doing what it takes to care about African Americans and their interest. And so I applaud Bernie Sanders for what he may have done in the past, it simply does not move the needle in South Carolina as it relates to African Americans and their interest."

No matter what Sanders fought for it means jack if he's not a life long Democrat? Fuck that! He was denouncing private prisons and police violence before it was cool. Its funny how people pick and choose which history is more relevant than actual history.

[HooptieWagon]

1. Hillary is not a life long Democrat.

She was a Goldwater Girl, and in college was president of the Young Republicans Club. Some people make the case she's still a Republican....could be, there's no difference between her and Jeb on Foreign Policy or Economic Policy. Goldman/Sachs CEO Blankfein doesn't have a problem with either as president.

[tazkcmo]

4. But!

She didn't miss the deadline. It was "before now".

[d_legendary1]

24. For HRC life begins in 2008

and certain parts of the late 90's and early 2000's. All that other stuff (i.e. pandering the crime bill) doesn't qualify.

[cascadiance]

29. And Goldwater VOTED AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT!!!!

Bernie was never a Republican at all in his life like she was then supporting Republican obstruction of Civil Rights...

[Beacool]

71. Really, you want to go there?

Hillary was 17 years old when she was a Goldwater girl and became a Democrat in her early 20s. Sanders ran against Democrats, refused for years to join the party and now he wants to be the standard bearer of the Democratic party. Why? Out of political expediency because he decided to run for president. If he's so true to his values he should have ran as what he really is, an Independent.

[HooptieWagon]

73. If he ran as an independant, Clinton loses and GOP wins.

Sanders said he didn't want to play spoiler and have the GOP win. Do you want the GOP to win?

[Beacool]

75. I want neither to win.

[HooptieWagon]

77. Well, if Bernie was in the GE as an indy, he and Hillary are splitting votes.

Impossible to beat the republican candidate. Realizing this, DWS said "OK, you can run as a Democrat". It's not Sanders fault he's far more popular than a flawed candidate.

[Bonobo]

2. Goes right along with:

"You're an Independent? Fuck you and your vote!"

[d_legendary1]

26. Worse. According to him his time in the lime light was just

to aggrandize just like the Republicans. Pretty sick stuff.

[tazkcmo]

3. He's just too cute!

"What we're talking about are the history are that the Clinton have...that Clinton's have in this state, the history that they have with individuals on a one on one basis of doing what it takes to care about African Americans and their interest."

Well Mr. Rutherford, I look forward to an in depth look at all the ways The Clintons have done what it takes. I hope for a robust discussion on this matter, preferably in a panel setting on national TV for the rest of the election, say weekly. Yep.

[uponit7771]

5. Nah, just when you dog dems for decades and then join them to dog them more it seems kinda..

...well poor taste?

tia

[azurnoir]

9. check out some very real history like the fact that Bernie has caucused with wait for it

the Democratic Party members in the House for decades

[mythology]

42. And then there's this quote from Sanders

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

Apparently something changed. Sanders may have caucused with the Democrats as a way to increase his ability to impact Congress, but he also hasn't felt any need to not tear the party down either when it served his interest. Being with the party has a cost, but it also has a benefit. Sanders wants the benefit without the cost. Maybe he gets it, but maybe he doesn't.

[Beacool]

72. What changed is that he decided to run for president.

Self-serving and political expediency are terms that come to mind.

[frylock]

50. But he didn't kiss their ass in gratitude of them allowing him to caucus with them.

That's the real sin here.

[RobertEarl]

6. South Carolina is full of rebels

That kinda means they aren't too keen on establishment carpetbaggers.

I have a suspicion they are gonna surprise H and nicely tell her to take a hike. I wonder if, in her concession speech, she'll say she still loves South Carolina?

As the primary moves on, the fact that Bernie has been an independent is gonna look good to more and more people and make the strident "He's not a Dem" complainers look a little bigoted.

[rbrnmw]

79. not in South Carolina

SC is my second home, so I know it well spent a lot of time with Democratic Party people there. I think you may be surprised how well Hillary does there, especially with AA's the rebels are mostly Republicans now so it won't matter

[JimDandy]

7. What exactly has Clinton done for Blacks?

What we're talking about are the history are that the Clinton have...that Clinton's have in this state, the history that they have with individuals on a one on one basis of doing what it takes to care about African Americans and their interest.

Throwing out a statement means nothing. Please tell me Anderson Cooper didn't just let him make that statement without asking exactly how she has been "doing what it takes to care about African Americans and their interest."

A large portion of Clinton's constituents, at every level over the last 35 years, have been Blacks. There should be a YUUUGE list of her accomplishments that clearly benefited mostly Blacks (that's now the requirement apparently ). Clinton has been campaigning for a year, so, by now, her campaign should have a long list of those accomplishments.

Let's see the list.

[mikehiggins]

10. Why doesn't anyone ever answer this simple question? What exactly has she done? eom

[JimDandy]

25. It is mystifying. Clinton supporters are out there making these general blanket statements

but no list of her specific accomplishments, let alone accomplishments that were targeted to benefit Blacks specifically {again, that is the ridiculous requirement they have imposed on Bernie: must be targeted to Blacks and no one else }

[uponit7771]

11. Keep a long term imperfect relationship for a start

[JimDandy]

32. That does not qualify as a specific accomplishment.

So, you've got nothing? 35 years of non-specific nada?

[HooptieWagon]

13. Well, this guy outlines what Clinton has done TO Blacks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511197383

[notadmblnd]

44. Well she graced herself upon some people in Africa

walked among them and tsked tsked about their plights and warned African leaders about co-operation with countries that want to exploit the continent's resources.

In the pious and slightly smug tone that people in Africa – and, indeed, the rest of the developing world – are only too used to hearing from North Atlantic leaders, Clinton apparently went on to say the US would stand up for democracy and universal human rights "even when it might be easier or more profitable to look the other way, to keep the resources flowing … Not every partner makes that choice, but we do and we will."

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2012/aug/07/hillary-clinton-speech-africa-deluded

[senz]

57. NOTHING. That's what she's done.

[Arazi]

8. And anything you did that helped black folks is moot if it helped even 1 white person

thats the new standard.

[uponit7771]

12. Do you think this post could be offensive?

[farleftlib]

15. No because that is what is being said

[HooptieWagon]

16. The truth can sting.

It does appear the new standard for some...

[Arazi]

17. Empowerer put up a thread asking what BS has done to help AA's in VT

She had many valid responses including mine that she refused to acknowledge or respond to before it was hidden . It's shit stirring

So no, I don't think it's offensive. Many DUers have, in good faith, tried to answer these OPs over and over and over and been shut down because of this bizarre requirement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118739256

Here she even goes further to denounce those bad Bernie supporters who never gave her an answer.

This meme is fucked up and I'm sick of it

[uponit7771]

19. The poster is making a claim of fact not a question or a debatable position

[Arazi]

27. There's no "fact" there. That's the point

Sanders DOES have a real record of helping POC. There are real links proving this especially on that thread (even tho most of us saw it for the flamebait it was)

But here on DU? No fucking way.

If it helped ONE white person - it's disqualified.

That's bullshit

[uponit7771]

30. ok...so this is meta... got it

[d_legendary1]

34. I wanted to post about an amendment Sanders placed in the ACA

that funded community clinics in rural and urban areas, but the thread was locked. Of course I would have gotten the "rural = white" speech so who knows.

[jeff47]

20. No more than the original post it came from.

You posted in that thread, too.

[JimDandy]

36. LOL. That is now the requirement imposed on Bernie!!! - by Clinton supporters!!!

So show Clinton's, please.

[TCJ70]

14. I read that entire thread before it was hidden...

...it was a very disturbing attitude that person was expressing.

[nc4bo]

18. I think he's full of sh*t. I think that "establishment" and their admirers are terrified

that once blacks and other minorities get within earshot of Bernie Sanders and his message, the wave becomes a tsunami.

That's what I suspect.

I think, these people speak from a place of dread, perhaps even fear.

[uponit7771]

22. Sanders lost IA PoC by 25% after spending 3 months campaigning there... those PoC heard

... Sanders message loud and clear no?

[nc4bo]

28. 3 months?!! You do realize that 3 months is NOTHING vs. what.....20 years?

and a family gig in the WH and one was a SOS to the 1st black POTUS to boot! Hell, the Clinton's are like American royalty.



Just no comparison. 3 MONTHS?!!

Months can not compete with decades.

[uponit7771]

33. 3 months isn't enough time to get his point across to PoC? I Mean....whats he gonna do in a couple

... of weeks? tia

[nc4bo]

35. OMG. I just can't with you uponit7771

[uponit7771]

38. don't know what this means... just trying to get a perceptive... If 3 full months isnt enough time..

... to get hos message across then how much tome does he need? tia

[JimDandy]

46. In NH, he won 48% of the minority vote. His message, as of 2 days ago is reaching minorities

loud and clear. Clinton's campaign, that said SC Blacks were her "Firewall" (such an incredibly disgusting term), is now so worried about his inroads, they are sending surrogates to SC to stop the hemorrhaging of Black votes to Bernie.

[senz]

61. His truthfulness, sincerity, and lack of phoniness

will be noticed by PoC.

Oppressed people can detect phoniness, or lack thereof, very quickly.

[frylock]

52. If you want a real exercise in futility, ask that poster what Bernie's numbers were with PoC..

3 months prior. The poster believes that number to be irrelevant.

[JimDandy]

51. In 1 week he won 23 points of the minority vote away from Clinton. 48% in NH

Now that his message is getting out, it's clearly resonating with people of all races, SC has a much larger population, of all races, that he has to reach, but let's see what he can do with 2 weeks.

[HooptieWagon]

31. And got 48% in New Hampshire.

There's those pesky facts interrupting your narrative again.

[uponit7771]

39. .... in a loss for the PoC vote right? tia

[JimDandy]

48. It's a big gain of the minority vote: 23 points shifted from Clinton to Sanders, IN 1 WEEK!!

Last week, IA at 25% to NH, now with 48% of the minority vote going to Sanders.

GO BERNIE!!

[Number23]

65. You do realize that Iowa and New Hampshire are two different states, don't you?

It's not a 23 point "swing" from losing by 25 points in Iowa to losing by 4 points in NH. Two different states.

And the point is that he has not won the majority minority vote in either of the two states he's primaried in.

[JimDandy]

66. My point is valid. He is gaining minority votes and Clinton is losing them. n/t

[Number23]

67. And still losing, and in some cases losing pretty big.

[JimDandy]

69. Yes Clinton lost bigggg! NH blew her out of the water and onto an ice Bern.

48% of the NH POC gave her the cold shoulder.

[Number23]

70. Your need to change the subject is as transparent as it is unnecessary

We are talking about Sanders losing big among minorities. If winning 52% of something is a "loss" then I'm sure Clinton hopes to keep "losing" all the way to the White House.

[JimDandy]

76. It was your open door. Just ask Clinton what she thinks of Sanders getting 48% of the NH POC vote.

Oh puleasee... Getting nearly 1/2 the minority vote in NH is in no way losing big. That is the #1 thing she was BANKING on-the Black vote (talk about taking a voting block for granted ). Blacks are her "firewall" (her campaign's disgusting term) as her campaign has repeatedly said. I've been part of political campaigns. If your opponent has 48% of your firewall, you're in trouble.

Are you watching the Black wave of Clinton endorsers hit SC? That is a campaign whose internals undoubtedly show she is in trouble.

Goodnight

[Number23]

87. NH is ONE STATE. There are states where the polls have Clinton winning something like 70+% of the

minority vote. And yes, that is winning and winning BIG. 48% of her "firewall" in ONE STATE where minorities make up about 10% of the population is not nearly the big deal as you are desperately trying to make it out to be.

Even in lily white Iowa she beat Sanders by almost 25% among minority voters. That is winning and winning BIG.

[JimDandy]

88. That was a vote...the real test. She failed it. The polls...well we know how bad they've been.

It's all about momentum and message. Bernie owns both. He built on Iowa, reamed Clinton in NH and now it's on to NV. I'm looking forward not back. Join me in that...or not.

[Number23]

89. What are you talking about??! SHE WON among minorities in both primaries.

On what freaking planet is winning a failure??

Or is this how you are trying to justify the fact that Sanders hasn't won the majority of minority votes in either of the two primaries. Oh, he lost but that actually really means that he won!11

[HooptieWagon]

74. If Sanders picks up 48% of SC Blacks he probably wins.

[JimDandy]

78. True. He is going to get a high number of black youth voters

but the population is larger, less cohesive, and there is more ground to cover. It will be a tough pull and, while I think his momentum is going to help a lot, he will probably lose that state by single digits. If he keeps the loss that low, he will start winning in some of Clinton's softer "firewall" states.

Goodnight

[Jefferson23]

21. LOL The powers that be for Clinton are just getting started..this is the kitchen sink.

Breathe, don't take them too seriously.

There are so many OP's today that are hilarious trying to smear Bernie.

If they want a candidate who is NOT receiving pac money of all kinds
then he is NOT their guy...most of the rest is pure noise to distract.

[d_legendary1]

40. Yer telling me! Some of the OPs I've seen

use skin color as an excuse for not voting for Sanders. We've seen the sexist meme go up in smoke. These too shall pass.

[Jefferson23]

47. Yep, not all criticism against Sanders is legitimate, far from it. Some is

down right pathetic and his record they can't erase. So instead the
objective is to tell you it is without merit and or it does not qualify
him as a better candidate...he simply isn't good enough. That's
fine, he does not need every vote and he won't receive them all
anymore than she will.

Anything to distract you from her ties to the elite which she has
waded into with both eyes open but expected a better reception.

I swear, I sometimes can almost hear Hillary saying, WTF, what are they
complaining about!! lol

They did not count on this many Americans saying, nope..no more.

[d_legendary1]

85. That's cuz most of them are still

unemployed, underpaid, in massive debt or bankrupt, and discriminated against by a corrupt justice system. Some even know people who have been killed by the ever-so-great free market system. Those are the people who are behind Bernie. Until Clinton understands this the only people who will show up for her are those people who are still in love with Bill. If the voter turnouts in other states emulate NH she's gonna have a long primary.

[Jefferson23]

86. I don't presume to know, I am speaking of reasons I see here and in the commentary

of journalists etc..that's what I am referring to when I say some complaints are legitimate
and some are clearly about something else. Regardless, people vote as they see fit same as
I do.

There is some manufactured "concern" the Clinton campaign is using, it may work,
who knows. Hillary Clinton is the single most cynical politician in the party and
her opportunistic smears do not surprise me at all..I have seen this movie before.

Nothing they do, even a Sanders loss will allow for them to define the
Democratic Party as they did before his run.

I'm not sure that has sunk in yet.

[jillan]

23. Yes because it is so much better to have a candidate that toes the party line. NO THANKS!

[JDPriestly]

37. This guy has forgotten how bigoted someDemocrats in the South used to be.

Within my lifetime, and therefore within Bernie's.

[d_legendary1]

43. It boggles my mind

when someone talks about such things. He might want to read about the Dems BEFORE the Civil Rights act became law.

[jeff47]

54. Not that long ago.

Not that long ago, there was a Democrat who declared young black men to be "superpredators" who needed to be "brought to heel".

And who darkened her opponent's skin in a campaign mailer.

And who sent surrogates out to say he was born in Kenya.

[senz]

63. I remember that ...

[Le Taz Hot]

80. Yeah, some of us are old enough to remember "Dixiecrats"

and how the Democratic Party turned a blind eye to discrimination and Jim Crow laws in the South just to maintain that voting bloc.

[fun n serious]

41. Bernie went to Harlem today. Bill Clinton has offices in Harlem.

Someone earlier said Bernie was a " Johnny come lately" to the black community. Hilary is well known decades long...

[d_legendary1]

45. Of course they'd know Hillary

She's Bill's wife.

[Zorra]

53. As former President Bill Clinton leaves Harlem, no tears from residents

HARLEM residents aren't crying over former President Bill Clinton's offices moving out of their neighborhood.

The William J. Clinton Foundation, which moved onto W. 125th St. nearly 10 years ago, plans to move most of its offices to Water St. in the financial district.

Clinton will keep an office in the building, but many residents don't care what his plans are - either because they never saw him or don't think his presence helped the neighborhood.
snip---
"When he was here what did he do for us? Nothing," she said as she stood on Lenox Ave., not far from Clinton's offices. "He never did nothing while he was here. What difference does it make?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/president-bill-clinton-leaves-harlem-no-tears-residents-article-1.118478

[fun n serious]

55. 2015

“I’m just a neighbor here,” Mr. Clinton said. “We’re very excited for this.”

The former president said the festival will lift up the neighborhood with permanent benefits for residents.

Mr. de Blasio spoke of linking Harlem’s storied past with its more gentrified present through the festival.

“I remember my mother and her sisters talking about the Harlem of 1930s and '40s with a sense of magic in their voice,” he said. “It’s one of the quintessential New York City neighborhoods.”

The planners are currently searching for corporate sponsors to help underwrite the event. EY, formerly known as Ernst & Young, has already pledged $250,000.

The event will draw tourists, as well as create jobs, Mr. Samuelsson predicted.

“This will create thousands and thousands of jobs,” he said.

Mr. Samuelsson was joined by fellow celebrity chefs Aarón Sanchez

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140520/HOSPITALITY_TOURISM/140529986/harlem-foodies-to-launch-festival-in-2015

[Zorra]

59. “I’m just a neighbor here,” Mr. Clinton said.

[liberal_at_heart]

62. gentrification does not help minorities. Low wages, and high rents drive the poor

out of the city which is exactly what the city officials want.

[JimDandy]

64. No. Clinton hasn't had a office in Harlem since 2011. The poor were pushed out

of Harlem due to high rents and low wages, as were Blacks--Harlem became gentrified during the 10 years Bill's office was there--Yeah Clinton!!!

Apparently this didn't make it to Clinton's "What I've Done To Help Blacks" list. Oh...No list for that?

[bravenak]

49. Pretty much

[liberal_at_heart]

56. here comes the kitchen sink. That's okay. Bernie can handle it.

[Jefferson23]

58. Indeed. n/t

[Hiraeth]

60. I didn't realize that Bernie or Hillary were running a catering service.

[AgingAmerican]

68. The Hillary campaign has started using racial division

Because she sucks on the issues that matter to Americans.

[d_legendary1]

84. Mostly cuz such issues hurt her campaign donors

Much easier to smear the opponent with racial/misogynist talking points than to debate the real issues that hurt Americans and keep the industries rich.

[Lorien]

81. It's all just a f-ing sports game to some shallow souls

the issues don't matter to them; it's all identity politics. "Go team Blue! Yay Democrats! Issues mean squat! It's all in the name and team colors!!"

[Art_from_Ark]

82. Would J. Tood Rutherford support Lester Maddox over Bernie?

How about George Wallace? Orval Faubus? Ross Barnett? They were all lifelong Democrats.

[islandmkl]

83. I KNOW it's just a primary, and all the delegate-gathering is the deal...but in the long run:

google 'Last Time a Democrat Won South Carolina' and you'll find 1972 with Jimmy Carter and then back to 1960 with JFK...

I don't give a shit what the demographic make-up of SC is...there apparently aren't enough of ALL segments to swing the contest to the Dems...

black, white, brown, yellow, woman, man, LBGT, whatever...KNOW YOUR INTERESTS and VOTE THEM

fuck identity politics...that shit merely keeps people voting against their best interests...