Hold on Rachel

[angrychair]

She just said voter turn-out was down for Democrats in New Hampshire and insinuates It was not that great a win for Bernie and exposed weakness in his ability to draw Democrats....he had more votes for him, 151, 000+, more than any other primary candidate, D or R, in New Hampshire primary history.
How many more votes could he have got?!?

Your own network states:
"For another, consider that margin in a historical context. Among New Hampshire Democrats, the biggest win ever for a non-incumbent was Michael Dukakis’ 16-point victory in 1988. Sanders defeated that record easily. In fact – here’s the really amazing part – Sanders’ 22-point win is actually larger than some of the Democratic primaries in which an incumbent Dem president faced a challenger: Jimmy Carter won by 10 points in 1980 and Lyndon Johnson won by 8 points in 1968."

He received 151,584 votes, the largest in New Hampshire primary history for a Republican or Democrat. He got more than the first and second place republican, combined.

That hurts Rachel.

On edit: I don't hate or dislike Rachel. I assume she had bad information or made a mistake. Please do not take this as license to slam her or worse. Do that somewhere else

[Armymedic88]

1. Not Bernies fault that...

Hillary couldn't help with turnout!!

[virtualobserver]

2. exactly....he did his part

[artislife]

23. Yup..hee. nt

[Kip Humphrey]

3. The drop in turnout was solely because Hillary failed to turn out the vote for herself.

[Avalux]

4. True. Rachel will NOT say that though, she's not allowed. n/t

[onecaliberal]

6. She sold her soul. Done watching as of two days ago.

[Avalux]

7. Hillary interview? Yes, me too. n/t

[onecaliberal]

9. Yes, the second one in four days.

[berniepdx420]

26. +1

[2pooped2pop]

41. same here

[glinda]

5. Rachel turned the corner awhile back I could see it coming when

they started the staff lay offs. She has fallen in line. Too bad. I had high hopes for her. Was wrong.

[MissDeeds]

16. Same here

I used to watch her every evening until she started using the first third or half of her program to lecture us. Please. I don't appreciate being lectured, or to have someone shout at me. Tweety does the same thing.

They both have toed the corporate line and are trying to ram their talking points down our throats.

Not going to happen. BTW - I never thought I'd draw parallels between Rachel and Matthews.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

20. Oddly, what turned me off to Rachel

was an excellent week long in depth segment she did about Deep Water Horizon. It was great, but the only problem was that it aired right when Occupy Wall Street broke out in a big way. There was not a peep from Rachel about Occupy for that week, and then when she finally did start covering it, she was dismissive. And people accuse Olberman of having an ego.

On edit, come to think of it, I think that was when that I joined DU.

[INdemo]

8. Rachel is so in the tank for Hillary

Lets see now all the MSNBC hosts are now Hillary mouthpieces,then we have CNN ( always for Hillary)
and the corporate networks are carrying her baggage ..so why didn't Hillary win?.
Hillary had all the Major Newspaper endorsements,all the Major political office holders endorsements,so why didn't Hillary win?

[mikehiggins]

11. She didn't win because she is a terrible candidate. TPTB nominate her at all of our risk eon

[John Poet]

15. And David slew Goliath with a sling and a stone...

[napi21]

17. I'm sure it was orders from the MSNBC, chiefs or MAYBE the NBC chiefs.

NBC is a VERY, VERY BIG Corporation, and they don't want someone like Bernie to win the nomination. He promised to make them PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES. I honestly don't fault either Rachel or Chris for showing a bias toward Hillary. If you remember Keith Olberman don't you? That's what happens when you buck the bosses.

Aside from this one issue, I still think Rachel is an excellent reporter (if that's what they call the suit behind the network desk). We've learned more from her about many news worthy items that are never discussed by anyone else. Chris is sometimes a PIA, but he'os also one of the good ones.

You can't really fault people for wanting to keep their job, can you?

[Gregorian]

10. And that's the power of money.

It affects most people in strange ways.

[mgmaggiemg]

12. that is not what rachel is saying

she is saying the BS people in NH may vote Trump in the GE and more dems in the GE will vote HRC...that is what she is saying for NH....I like BS but I see it this way mathematically as well

[angrychair]

13. What???

If you think that Bernie Sanders supporters would vote for a racist and xenophobic asshole like tRump than you have no idea what Bernie Sanders election campaign is about and what we, as supporters of Sanders, believe in.
I would vote for an actual piece of shit before I would vote for tRump.

[mgmaggiemg]

14. you are not from NH are you? ;)

i am speaking specifically about NH...which is number one in the US for gun/ammo manufacturing....

[amborin]

21. um.

it seems that the preceding poster to whom you replied was saying that, if Trump and HRC are the nominees in the GE,
then many indies will vote Trump (though they voted for Bernie in the primary) and many Dems will vote for HRC (Though they voted for Bernie in the primary)

thing is: yes, trump is racist. but how does he differ from hIllary? she voted many times for a border wall to keep out "illegal immigrants." so she is many steps ahead of him, no? and, she dog whistled that Obama might be Muslim in 2008, suggesting that she, like repubs, thinks Muslim=Bad. again like trump, no?

[global1]

18. Please Explain In Detail How You Came To That Conclusion.....nt

[mgmaggiemg]

19. that you are not from nh?

[Zorra]

24. That you are a Clinton supporter?

[Kurovski]

22. Women are bad at math.

OH MY GOD I'M KIDDING.

Everyone knows most men mistake five inches for nine.

[Skwmom]

25. She likes the millions she's paid and needs to rationalize toeing the corp line.

She won't be the first to do this and she won't be the last.

I find it hard to watch her anymore. The selective outrage over atrocities is hard to take.

[valerief]

27. She's a Comcaster. nt

[99th_Monkey]

30. +10 nt

[scottie55]

28. And Rachel Is Almost As Good As They Get Corporate Wise

In 2008 we had Bush driving Democratic turnout.

Rachel forgot that fact.

Dooooof.

[Cassiopeia]

29. Rachel on AAR was fucking awesome!

Rachel on MSHRC not so much.

I'm not slamming her. Hell, if I was offered the money I would take it as long as I could. Then I would flame out in a blaze of glory as I moved my ass out of the US.

[Armstead]

31. I hope you send that to her. It's an important point.

[99th_Monkey]

32. I was puzzling over that Rachael segment myself

it seem to be doing two things at the same time:
1) downplaying the turnout for Sanders by
2) completely ignoring how many INDEPENDENTS turned out
to vote for Bernie. <--she didn't even mention Indies, did she?

[world wide wally]

33. She's not lying.

Add up the totals yourself. More people voted in the R primary than in the D primary. That is just math.
Now consider "WHY" that is…. Could it be because of the incredible amount of negative shit we are saying about our candidates?
Sliming Dem A because you might like Dem B is purely self destructive. It is showing.

[scottie55]

35. A Lot Of It Is The Anti Obama Vote

All the nut jobs are convinced all our problems are caused by PBO.

Haven't you been listening to their psycho babble?

Their minions believe it.

They are out of power (White House) and want a Republican President to destroy our economy... Again....

The way I see it, Republican are simply fools. Maybe the word lemmings would apply too.

I do know a couple smart, but wrong Republicans. The other 90% of them haven't got a clue, and pretty much everything they believe could be disproved in 5 seconds on the Google. They are bat sh*t insane, or living in a fantasy world.

[angrychair]

36. I get the math

Really my point. He bested his opponent by 22 pts. He got more votes than any candidate in New Hampshire primary history by a Dem. or Rep.
He got more votes than tRump and Kasich combined.

More importantly, it is not that historically off in relation to voters in past New Hampshire Democratic presidential primaries:
2016: 250,962 (Republican 284,108)
2012: 60,659 ( Obama incumbent year)
2008: 287,557 (Republican 234,851)
2004: 219,787 (67,833 Bush incumbent year)
2000: 154,639 (Republican 236,802)

Not sure, looking at these numbers, it says what Rachel was stating it says. In fact it is the second highest Democratic turn-out in New Hampshire history. So, we have President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders all involved in the 2 largest Democratic Primary turn-outs.
Hillary won in 2008 with 112,404 votes, Sanders bested that outcome by 39,169 votes in his 2016 win in comparison. I don't think it is indicative of any shortcoming but an example of his campaign's strength.

[Uncle Joe]

39. That's a good post, angrychair.

[Uncle Joe]

34. More Republicans voted in New Hampshire than Democrats and I've posted this before but I will post

it again.

You can thank Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the corporate media conglomerates for that in

trying their best to stifle Bernie's message from reaching the people.

CAMPAIGN 2016 COVERAGE: ANNUAL TOTALS FOR 2015 1. During 2015, Campaign 2016 logged more than 17 hours of coverage on the broadcast networks' weekday nightly newscasts (ABC, CBS and NBC combined).

2. The annual total of 1031 minutes is higher than any other penultimate year of the last seven Presidential campaigns, except for 2007 (1991 = 146; 1995 = 294; 1999 = 339; 2003 = 167; 2007 = 1072; 2011 = 790).

(snip)

4. The Republican race is more than twice as newsworthy than the Democratic race (701 mins vs 248 -- with 82 mins of coverage with no partisan focus). Besides the fact that there are many more Republican candidates than Democratic ones, the GOP debates have made much more news than the Democrats' (123 mins vs 25).

5. Donald Trump is by far the most newsworthy storyline of Campaign 2016, alone accounting for almost a third of all coverage (327 mins or 32%), more than the entire Democratic contest combined. The other GOP candidates, in order of prominence, were Jeb Bush (57 mins), Ben Carson (57), Marco Rubio (22).

6. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been the second most newsworthy candidate (121 mins), with an additional 88 mins devoted to the controversy over her e-mails as Secretary of State and 29 mins to the investigations into the Benghazi Consulate attack. The second most newsworthy Democrat was a non-candidate: 73 mins on Joe Biden's decision not to run.

7. Noticeably under-covered have been the current second-placed candidate in each party's national opinion polls: Ted Cruz has attracted only 21 mins, Bernie Sanders only 20 mins.

http://tyndallreport.com/

WASHINGTON – Sen. Bernie Sanders has made big gains in Iowa, leads most New Hampshire polls and fares better than Hillary Clinton in general election matchups against Donald Trump and other Republican White House hopefuls.

But the insurgent campaign that has drawn the biggest crowds on the presidential campaign trail has been all but ignored on the flagship television network newscasts, according to Tyndall Report, which tracks nightly news coverage by NBC, CBS and ABC.

“The corporately-owned media may not like Bernie’s anti-establishment views but for the sake of American democracy they must allow for a fair debate in this presidential campaign,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager. “Bernie must receive the same level of coverage on the nightly news as other leading candidates.”

ABC’s “World News Tonight” has devoted 81 minutes to Donald Trump’s campaign so far this year compared to a mere 20 seconds on Sanders through the end of November. NBC’s “Nightly News” afforded 2.9 minutes of coverage to Sanders since January. The “CBS Evening News” provided viewers 6.4 minutes of coverage on the Vermont senator.

“The network newscasts are wildly overplaying Trump, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support, while at the same time wildly underplaying Sanders, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support,” according to a report Friday by the journalism watchdog group Media Matters for America analyzing the Tyndall report data.

Media Matters called the lack of coverage of Sanders a “rather stunning revelation.”

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/why-the-bernie-blackout-on-corporate-network-news/

Bernie's biggest challenge has been name recognition, Schultz and the corporate media conglomerates knew this.

There is still a wide gap between the two in name recognition nationally. Nearly a quarter of Democrats and two-fifths of Independents say they are still not that familiar with Sanders. In comparison, Clinton has almost total name recognition among voters.


http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-presidential-hopefuls-sanders-clinton-dead-heat-reuters-133828882.html

Schultz only added debates at the last minute after realizing that Bernie was becoming competitive in Iowa, leading by double digits in New Hampshire and beginning to attract more minority support.

In the meantime, the Republicans with their superior number of debates ruled the airwaves and were allowed to set the frame.

Bernie has done remarkably well despite this blackout and mismanagement of the Democratic debates.

I believe that Bernie decidedly winning in New Hampshire and finally having more Democratic Debates will only improve excitement nationwide as his message reaches the people and more people come to know him.

Thanks for the thread, angrychair.

[angrychair]

37. I don't disagree at all

At the same time, I don't think that Bernie's performance and voter turnout is bad in historical perspective.

See my post #36 for a breakdown of the numbers and math.

[Uncle Joe]

38. I agree, it wasn't a record breaking turnout but it was in the top tier as for overall numbers,

of course had Schultz and the corporate media conglomerates been honest brokers, I believe it would've broken the record on the Democratic side and specifically votes for Bernie over the total Republican votes.

[Bernblu]

40. Bernie got more votes than any candidate ever!

Rachel is in the tank for Hillary as is most everyone on MSNBC. Tonight's nonsense proves it.