2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary has a killer message and she rolled it out last night:
Hillary reintroduces herself as the Best Change-Maker:
Tue Feb 09 2016 15:13:36 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
What is the best way to change peoples lives so we can all grow together? she said. Who is the best change-maker?
You are! people in the audience shouted.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/in-concession-speech-hillary-clinton-pitches-herself-as-the-best-change-maker
Excerpts:
Now, the real differences in this race are truly over: 'How do we create a future of prosperity, opportunity, and security for all of us?' We need to build a growth and fairness economy with higher wages and more good-paying jobs including a bold, national mission to create millions of jobs in clean energy, manufacturing, and infrastructure.
But when children anywhere in our country go to bed hungry, or are denied a quality education, or who face abuse or abandonment, that diminishes all of us. That's why I did start my career at the Children's Defense Fund. That's why I went undercover in Alabama to expose racism in schools. That's why I worked to reform juvenile justice in South Carolina. And that is why I went to Flint, Michigan, on Sunday.
When people anywhere in America are held back by injustice, that demands action. That is why I believe so strongly that we have to keep up with every fiber of our being the argument for, the campaign for human rights. Human rights as women's rights, human rights as gay rights, human rights as worker rights, human rights as voting rights, human rights across the board for every single American. Now, that is who I am. That is what I've always done.
And we've learned it's not whether you get knocked down that matters: It's whether you get back up. So, my friends, please join me in building on the progress we've made under President Obama. . . . . I know there are those who want to deny the passion and the purpose you all show every day for this campaign, but you are the reason we are here and you are the reason we are going to win the nomination and then win this election together."
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/9/10956458/hillary-clinton-new-hampshire
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Made change for me (needed some nickels for the bus) lickety split! 3 quarters, one dime and 3 nickels. What a change maker!
earthside
(6,960 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)she may well have something there.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillarys speech, which sounded a lot more like a victory speech than a concession, also featured language condemning Wall Street and a promise to reign in the Big Banks.
Yknow, the Sanders campaign has really got to stop leaving their stump speeches just lying around. Next time we see Hillary, maybe she will have forsaken her flawless do in favor of an erratic mess a la Sanders.
jfern
(5,204 posts)She won most of the coin flips
Lol...love it
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farleftlib
(2,125 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Yep, a real change artist.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)No more "A progressive who gets things done"? I'm guessing the voters weren't buying it...a 23 point drubbing would suggest that.
So now it's "best change-maker"? Yeah, that's going to fail too as it is nothing more than a marketing pitch for brand "Hillary". It re-enforces her establishment bonafides in an anti-establishment election year.
Sorry, try again...
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)and I'm partial to believing (missed her speech) it as it's her usual go-to strategy.
Bernie says ****** within weeks, days, hours or even minutes and seconds, count on Hillary to do a MEEE-TOOOO!!
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Last night right after her concession speech, Twitter was on fire, calling it #stealthebern.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Granted, I'm no catch phrase historian or anything.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)It's exceedingly lame.
MrMickeysMom
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Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Imitation is the best form of flattery.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Their platforms are more alike than different, except Sanders' is all slogans and Hillary's is all polciy. And If Rove had been going after Bernie and not Hillary for the last 25 years I imagine NH would have been the cakewalk most expected it to be.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)over and over. The difference is, what are we going to do about it?"
http://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/clinton-regroups-after-defeat-620594755806
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Maybe Goldman knew what would become of their speaking fee?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)As for the point you are trying to intimate, I haven't the foggiest idea.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Incidentally it was a GOP opposition research firm that introduced the speaking fees meme after discovering that it tested well in Florida.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)As the facts are not in contest, there really seems to be little to dispute here apart from the extent to which HRC's lacks good judgement.
Also: source?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Stop blaming Rove. The issue is HILLARY.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I take nothing away from her. But there were certain lines that were exact quotes from Bernie. For one, I've never heard her in a speech say the "too big to fail, not too big to jail" before.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Once more she goes for the, I'm Awesome, Check it out, meme.
Can you explain what exactly "Change Maker" is?
She frequently changes her positions, but I don't think that was what she was talking about. She seems to be a real fan of regime changes, but doesn't seem to be too concerned by what they change into. She was a driving force in changing the Democratic Party into something more corporate and in the process changed herself into a multimillionaire operating the largest political machine in the world. She changed her self image of a moderate into an anti-establishment progressive.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)"They both talk the talk, but only one walks the walk"
http://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/clinton-regroups-after-defeat-620594755806
Basically, Sanders has been giving the same stirring speech for 25 years, but Hillary knows how to write policy.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Ok
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)DELEGATE COUNT
Hillary: 394
Bernie: 42
Source: AP
https://www.willhillarywin.com/tagged/endorsements/
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)coerced, folded, spindled and mutilated.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)let's see if she keeps it up.
Most telling would be if Wall Street came out loudly against her.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)24 characters or less.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)'cause she still seems pretty scripted to me.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Maybe she should ask for a refund on their fees.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Guess the dogs are still not eating the dog food.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Of course, the 'New Nixon' turned out to be just like the old Nixon.
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's all about Hillary. Bernie would say that WE are the change-makers.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Who gets the credit? SHE DOES.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)This just adds to her problem with being authentic.
It doesn't matter what her message is when the majority of people don't believe it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Call her a weather vane but that's what democratically elected politicians are supposed to do.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The very fact that she was running the wrong campaign all this time shows what a terrible candidate she is.
We can't risk her as a nominee. If she can't handle the primary process, even with a former Democratic President holding events for her as well as a money advantage, then how can she perform well in the General considering that those advantages will be gone?
She is simply a terrible candidate and not worth the risk.
P.S. Did you see Ben Jealous on Rachel's show just now? He spelled out some of her recent flip flops very well.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)if she's only saying things because "thats what politicians do", isnt it safe to assume that everything she says between now and the convention will go right out the window the second she needs to "pivot toward the center" for the general election?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)She's just saying what she's always said in a slightly different way.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)Make some change
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Truly!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I wish she wouldnt try to scream over the crowd cheering. I think its best to let them calm down then speak normally. She sounds so much better that way.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Unless she figures out a way to give voters amnesia.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)the people know what she is and what she isn't. She isn't presidential material...she is a self centered , arrogant, egotistical opportunist who thinks that the american voters are too stupid to see her for what she is.
LondonReign2
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John Poet
(2,510 posts)But I did enjoy that speech.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)She can change her message all she wants; it will still boil down to whether people believe they can trust her.