Since millennial voters are absolutely worthless to the DNC? What is the DNC's future?

[JPnoodleman]

If the legions of pro-Hillary threads have taught me anything its that the Youth Vote is clearly trash and totally garbage and all our ideas are stupid, also we are sluts and going to hell if we happen to be female.

So my question, what is the future of the DNC? Wasn't there a lot of hope that all these left leaning youth will make the DNC triumphant as the GOP's mostly aged base dies off?

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Republican Lite ?

[JPnoodleman]

2. Begs the question, What is the point? /nt

[orpupilofnature57]

5. The 1% solution

[Uncle Joe]

48. Get what you can get while the getting is good, the same greed based short term thinking that

dominates Wall Street.

[jfern]

54. 1996 was a kind of pointless election

[villager]

3. That's not the future. That's what the Democratic party is now.

The GOP, meanwhile, is an American fascist party.

So where do both young -- and "actual" -- Democrats go?

[HooptieWagon]

27. Good question. Maybe a new party?

[Betty Karlson]

53. Or maybe the old one: just kick out DWS and her Third Way pals, and you'd be amazed at how much

is left to create blue landslides - the kind that DWS works to prevent?

[orpupilofnature57]

55. + 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!!

[merrily]

26. So, same old, same old?

[arcane1]

4. The DNC will be the New Republican Party after that party is destroyed by crazies n/t

And they will constantly tell us that "winning" is the most important thing, even if what we "win" is more and more conservative policies

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Third Way is a figment of the Political Society's imagination .

[Ferd Berfel]

7. Agree. The DNC itself is committing suicide

through their own right wing leaning stupidity.
THE DNC is not Mainstream - Bernie is.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. Actually, that is the current state of things today.

Bernie is the only current candidate who has the potential to change it.

[Arazi]

8. Well this point has come up but they don't seem to care

[boston bean]

9. Their votes arent worthless.

[jeff47]

11. Then stop treating them like their votes are worthless.

And if you don't understand that you are doing so, it's time to shut up and listen to them.

[boston bean]

12. I am treating them like their votes are worthless. hell, I got all sorts of power I never knew I

had.

[jeff47]

13. Are you under the illusion that you can not control your own attitude?

Golly, I wonder how GenX got driven into massive apathy and don't turn out. Oh well. Let's do the same fucking shit to Millennials. I'm sure it won't cause the same result!

[boston bean]

14. Are you under that illusion?

[jeff47]

16. You appear to be claiming you aren't.

Either that, or you think hurling insults is good for turnout.

[boston bean]

18. What insult?

[jeff47]

19. This isn't the only thread you've been posting in tonight.

Guess what? You don't have to be 45+ to keep track of posts in more than one thread!

[boston bean]

21. Wth? My comment agreeing their votes aren't worthless is that upsetting to you.

LOL.

And now you are upset with something i posted some place else cause you realized how ridiculous this sub theead is.

LMAO

[jeff47]

22. Because you have plenty of other posts demonstrating you do not believe that.

Such as your frequent minimization of their problems, and insistence that "the kids" are voting based on dumb reasons.

If you actually think their votes are important, you'd probably spend some time trying to understand their reasons. You haven't.

[boston bean]

23. Lol.

[jeff47]

32. Hey! Just like Clinton when she doesn't want to talk about something! (nt)

[merrily]

29. Mass amnesia could be a blessing for the Clinton campaign.

For just one thing, it would eliminate a lot of snark about evolving and Hillary v.37.

[JPnoodleman]

33. That is good to hear. I was beginning to suspect it was a widely held opinion...

Hillary will need the young. IMHO

Maybe the DNC figures it can survive on inertia and being "Not Republican," but honestly I don't have any serious investment in the DNC on some tribal level.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Clearly.

[Docreed2003]

10. Your point is an excellent one...

For the past ten years, since the midterms of '06. The DNC has been crowing about the rise of young leftists and liberals in this country, while at the same time framing the GOP as the party of the elderly on the decline. As a Gen X'er, we were caught up in the Clinton-enthusiasm of the 90's. We were told and believed that our generations enthusiasm was turning the page on the disaster of the Reagan years. What we got for that enthusiasm was NAFT, DOMA, and an economic bubble that was fueled by false pretense that would ultimately burst in under a decade. Again, in '08, Gen X'ers and Gen Y's, enthusiastically supported hope and change, and we received a mixed bag from that support. I love our President, I truly do, however I still have a strong bitter taste in my mouth from the unraveling of OFA after the election and surrogates calling the liberal left "fucking retards" because we were continuing to fight for liberal ideas that we believed in and had truly hoped the administration would represent. Now it's 2016 and the current DNC, for lack of a better term, "establishment", continues to denigrate and insult the current enthusiastic support of mellinials. Anything more than accepting the shit sandwich that is the current state of politics in this country is viewed as unrealistic and naive. Well, maybe that's true, but naivety and unrealistic dreams have brought us some pretty fantastic accomplishments in this country. To throw water on the flame of enthusiasm risks spawning cynicism. Many of my generation are already there, and that is a big reason why they are looking for alternatives to the current state of affairs.

[HooptieWagon]

28. A-fucking-men!

[TTUBatfan2008]

17. I don't appreciate...

Being talked down to by older people who didn't graduate in 2008 and get laid off 6 months later as a direct result of the corrupt policies of both parties including Bill Clinton. Maybe others are too dumb to realize it but people like Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin had a large effect on me getting laid off. I didn't like the bailouts. Actually I freaking hated the bailouts. The economy would have been better off if they just wrote a check to everyone in the work force instead of giving it to the banks.

I also do not appreciate the insinuation that younger voters are stupid because we need to face "reality." Here's reality: if I set up my company email to be automatically forwarded to a private email account, I would be fired in a heartbeat for security issues. Hillary is a smart person but she made a monumentally stupid decision with the email thing. It has not gone away and it will not go away. It is a serious issue, no matter how much people in the Establishment of the Democratic Party want to sweep it under the rug.

Despite 93% of the elected Democrats in New Hampshire endorsing her, she received 38% of the vote from the people yesterday. Of the voters who felt honesty and trustworthiness are the most important thing, she received only 5-6% of that block of voters (which made up over 1/3rd of the total electorate). We are not stupid. She is a seriously flawed candidate.

Sanders isn't perfect either obviously (an old white geezer socialist? WTF?). But at the same time the GOP isn't offering up any perfect candidates in this election. My feeling is that Sanders has more credibility in his populist message against the corruption in politics. He can make a very strong case against the 100% fascist, corporate owned Republican Party. Hillary will never be able to win an argument with anyone about Wall Street, drug companies, or the weapons manufacturers because she has taken just as much cash from these mega corporations as the Republicans. It is a huge problem for her.

I don't know if either candidate can win the general election. Republicans have had much stronger turnout in the primaries so far. If that enthusiasm gap continues, it will not matter who is nominated on the Democratic ticket. One thing that is damn sure: Hillary will not win a general election without Millenials. Please stop attacking our intelligence and our principles.

[hill2016]

24. what if the CEO is the one who

forwards his email to his private account? Does he get fired?

[TTUBatfan2008]

25. I would sure hope so...

Especially in my industry. Confidentiality is a huge deal. When people try to put in their 2 weeks notice, they are usually escorted out by security people because of confidentiality. We're publicly traded though. For a private company there would be more wiggle room for executives to get away with forwarding all of their company email to a private email account.

[merrily]

31. By any chance, do you conflate private email account (I have 7) with private server (I have none)?

They're very different.

[TTUBatfan2008]

36. In my opinion the effect is similar...

The employer owns the email. Forwarding it to an insecure server is a huge mistake and grounds for termination in the corporate world at least for publicly traded companies.

[merrily]

40. The result may be similar, but, technologically, they are two very different things, no?

Also, a private email account sounds so harmless and commonplace. Everyone I know has at least one. AFAIK, no one I know has a private server. So, for purposes of discussion, I think making the distinction can be important.

[TTUBatfan2008]

42. If you forward all of your company emails to a private account?

It would be seen as a huge deal by Human Resources at my company. They flat out say in our employee handbook that the company owns our email and we are not allowed to forward company emails to private accounts. If it was just one email, probably not too big of a deal and the supervisor would likely laugh it off. But if it was every email every day, it would be a huge deal. I don't think my company wants confidential information to end up on people's Gmail accounts, etc.

Now having said all of this, the cynical side of me says that the Russians and Chinese have repeatedly hacked the US government's servers, so they likely already had plenty of access to Hillary's emails, Obama's emails, etc. The net effect being that our government got spied on by other governments, whether it was through hacking the government server or hacking Hillary's server. I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that she thought it was a good idea to set up this server in the first place. It's pretty stunning.

[merrily]

45. Agree, but your post does not answer the questions I asked.

Shoot me, I think it's useful, for the sake of clarity in discussion, not to conflate "private email account" which everyone has, with "private server," which is far more unusual, as well as being an entirely different animal technologically.

But, now, I am only repeating what I said in Reply 40, so I'll stop here.

[TTUBatfan2008]

46. Obviously with a server...

there is more control for the individual. Depending on the person's intent that could be good or bad.

[Go Vols]

20. My 27 year old kid

will vote for Bernie because he believes in whats right for the majority,as I taught him this, as my Daddy did me.

[merrily]

41. BOOM! If my great grandparents were still alive, they'd be voting for Bernie.

A poll of DU surprised me in that I had not realized how many DUers were over 50, over 60 and over 70. Yet, another poll showed DU to be about 90% in favor of Bernie over Hillary. So, while age is the clearest factor in Bernie's demographic, it is by far not the only one. It certainly was not only Millennials voting for Bernie in NH.

[LAS14]

30. Scary

It's scary to me to see that the establishment/outsider split is, at least with the Democrats, a generational split. As a 71 year old I'm pretty convinced that generations don't come together by yelling at each other. Unfortunately, I think generations only come together when the young grow older. So that's scary for the Democratic party. I have no idea what to do about it. I'm sure that nothing Hillary can say or do would win over folks who see her through the lens of generation/establishment.

[merrily]

34. She also can do little to win over people who've watched Hillary for decades and don't

like what they saw. Or the people who think she's untrustworthy.

[JPnoodleman]

35. The cohort of older Bernie supporters actually strengthens my resolve,

Generally when I meet the elder Bernie supporters I hear roughly a "You are right not to trust the Clintons." ect ect and lay out point by point the reasons for Bernies vision, well, its hard for me to fall for though "Well I might just be young and dumb," shpeel.

[merrily]

49. Pleased to hear it. IMO, Bernie deserves our strong resolve and America needs it.

[senz]

37. When you're in it for yourself, you don't think about "the future."

That's why oligarchs could care less about global warming, U.S. manufacturing, the nation's infrastructure, long term effects of income inequality, etc.

[basselope]

38. They go with the "we're better than the other people" strategy.

But make no mistake.. the establishment doesn't want to give up its sweet sweet pac money!

[JPnoodleman]

39. I don't blame them...

Billions in dark money probably buys whatever crazy S*** my hedonistic soul could ever desire. I mean I totally grasp the desire to hold onto a sweet gig while you got it. What else keeps Kim Jung Un satisfied? I mean a nation of starving poverty, but hey, there he is a the Demi-God king living in luxury.

[Hydra]

43. Orwell nailed it in 1984

It's not the money, it's the power that intoxicates theses people so well. Hundreds of millions/billions/trillions of dollars is pretty much pure power and puts you above the law.

They aren't going to give this up...the poverty and suffering is necessary to create that level of power over everyone else.

[Jefferson23]

44. The future of the DNC? They are flailing and can't figure out what they're going to do yet.

I'm not sure why some think they're smart, we have LOST Democratic seats
all over the place.

I will tell you this much, although it is too soon to know how the nomination
process will go, if they are not careful they may see a viable Third Party
rise up and they should be prepared to do everything in their power to
avoid that.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Debbie Wasserman Schultz also thinks everyone who has ever smoked marijuana belongs in prison.

So Millennials and the majority of Americans who support marijuana legalization- two groups the DNC seems determined to say "fuck you" to.

[HooptieWagon]

52. She gets generous contributions from the liquor industry.

[Yurovsky]

57. She must own prison stock...

The power brokers in the establishment of the party are basically looking to feather their nests. For crying out loud, that's all HRC and WJC have done of late. Look at some of the reported wealth of senior party folks.

Then look at the activists. By and large people who are in the party (and the larger progressive movement) out of conviction and a desire to make the country better, who are not in this to get rich. That is what defines Bernie, and what defines most millennials who are pushing for actual change, not just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

DWS is simply looking to hitch her wagon to those she thinks can ensure she's on the corporatist gravy train for life. If she does hold any positions (like on weed), they are CLEARLY out of step with 95% of registered Democrats. Hell, I imagine weed has 20-30% support (if not more) among registered Republicans (primarily those not profiting from the prison system or perhaps those that enjoy a good joint now and then).

It's time for a good flushing of the Party. If Bernie wins, he should have the chance to move young progressives ahead in the DNC power structure. That's a must if the corporate DLC dinosaurs are ever going to be ushered over to the GOP where they belong.

[mgmaggiemg]

51. i would love

to read a post by an HRC poster who called you a slut or stupid...if anything it's certainly been the other way around...the future of the DNC is a bigger, minorities and gender inclusive...and greener...which is actually what is happening right now..it's going in the right direction...there is so much to be positive and hopeful about for young people...the dem party no matter who you vote for will still be that...the GOP lost out big time in not getting in on the cultural revolution...they fought it instead....but they have always been in denial...