Clinton Jew baiting campaign has begun.....

[restorefreedom]

Clinton to Attack Sanders on Israel Record After New Hampshire

For the Clinton campaign, New Hampshire made clear that it is time to increase pressure on the Vermont socialist — including a harsher message to Jewish American voters


The blaring music and the enthusiastic crowd gathered to hear Hillary Clinton at Southern New Hampshire University Tuesday night could easily have given the impression this was a victory celebration, not a gathering marking a crushing 21% defeat.
But when Clinton, flanked on stage by her husband and daughter, ended her pep talk, it was clear to all that the team is heading straight back to work in order to figure out how to overcome the ever growing threat posed by Bernie Sanders.
Tuesday night will go down in history as the first time a Jew won a presidential primary.

Hillary Clinton has been a very strong friend of Israel and that is something that should not be lost on the American Jewish community,” said Paul Hodes, a former New Hampshire congressman who came to rally for Clinton at her post-primary event. Hodes, who is Jewish and from New Hampshire, told the Forward: “Senator Sanders hasn’t showed himself to be the kind of friend of Israel that Secretary Clinton is.”

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.702540


well, that did not take long, and a more offensive spectacle, i cannot recall. unless we count the race baiting of 08.

maybe its better this way...it will hasten her merciful exit from this process

[EdwardBernays]

1. Good

If they burn their bridges with Sanders then maybe a Sanders presidency will be more honest about the middle east.

[rhett o rick]

7. Also good is that the worse they get the better Sen Sanders looks. nm

[99th_Monkey]

102. +100 nt

[rhett o rick]

128. Hey I think I was kicked out of the HRC Fan Group before you were. I was #30. nm

[99th_Monkey]

131. Funny you should say that

I just posted this re a recent post in Hillary Group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280115290

[rhett o rick]

137. I think it's a good place for them but they aren't happy to stay. By the way, what's your

Jackass nickname? Mine is in my sig line. LOL.

[erlewyne]

145. I got kicked out too

I didn't know it was a special group and was surprised
that I got dumped. Now I am careful where I post ...

I am pleased to be in this group. You will be kicked out
99th_Monkey. LOL

hey, their o.k. .... maybe a little sore!

[Angry Dragon]

156. I was kicked and banned also

[rhett o rick]

177. What's funny is that they can't ban you until you make a post there. They must have been waiting

for me because my post there was neutral and bingo-bango I was out.

[PatrynXX]

181. wouldn't remember exactly win sometime November to December

and I didn't know I was in the "hillary" group until I got the banned noticed. basically I was responding to something totally factually absurd. ie did I stumble onto free republican by accident absurd . Like yes I know not to post on a Pro Atheist board. I'm Christian, it's the LOUD Atheists I can't stand. Like putting a bunch or Right wing Jews in the same room as Left Wing Jews. Things will get messy. and Hillary supporting a crazy Right Wing idiot like Bibi? who basically had several people in the Senate and house to commit treason , not really smart on Hillary's part but oh well

[rhett o rick]

192. You were number 253.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511193245

[pangaia]

215. They have banned... FIVE-HUNDRED PEOPLE ???

500 ??

[rhett o rick]

223. NO NO NO only 499

[pangaia]

224. OH! Whew!

[rhett o rick]

226. I understand your surprise. I can see locking out maybe 50 that are going to be onery

and might cause trouble, but 499? I think that once they got started banning they just couldn't stop. And that really doesn't bother me one bit. In fact more power to them. This is a politically liberal message board and they have the right to be as exclusive as they want. What I do have a problem with is when they venture out into reality and start acting like they want to turn all of DU into something like their cadre. Alerting, locking, hiding, banning, and grave dancing to try to change this from a politically liberal message board into a politically conservative message board.

[LiberalElite]

233. Now it's at least 506 eom

[Hydra]

227. OMG, I haven't gotten on the banned list yet??

Now I feel left out x_x

[LiberalElite]

232. I'm back at #199 eom

[rhett o rick]

197. I was wrong, you were number 27 and I was 30.

See list: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511193245

[bvar22]

231. #145 here,

and I also didn't know I was posting to the Hillary Group.
I responded to a absurd post on the Greatest Page, and ......that was it.

I don't believe it is fair to have "protected groups" on the Greatest Page.

[JRLeft]

175. Hillary should just go ahead and join the likudnik party already.

[CorporatistNation]

225. Agreed.... We Need To Reel In The Zionist Influence On Our Politics!

!

[MisterP]

2. she's saying she can out-Jew him!

plus they don't realize people are sorta sick of Jerusalem's shenanigans, impunity, and hand-biting by now

[TheBlackAdder]

44. You get a heart for that one! nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. And the subtext of these statements...

Senator Bernie Sanders hasn't shown the resolve and courage to press his face firmly up the backside of Israel's right-wing, apartheid practicing, land-theft enabling, Palestinian murdering bigot politicians in the same way that Hillarity Ridham Clintoon is prepared to in order to shill for AIPAC dollars.

I guess that he's really not a good enough Jew if he doesn't do that.

The last thing we need is a US policy that continues Israels illegal colony franchise while we look the orher way as Netanyahu finishes his pogroms against the Palestinian people.

It just might take a Jewish POTUS to tell Israel to pound sand.

[MisterP]

66. Bibi's been running on "Jews abroad aren't REAL Jews until they aliyah" for decades

trying to make Jews xenophobic about themselves?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation_of_the_Diaspora

[in_cog_ni_to]

161. Big, Huge mistake! Cha-ching! $5 million more dollars just rolled into his fund! Keep the trash

coming! You don't and can't hurt his campaign, no matter what you throw at him...but you certainly are funding him, really, really well!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[AtomicKitten]

3. It was just a matter of time before they rolled that out.

[840high]

100. Their desperation is showing.

[azurnoir]

4. she's doing a reverse Diane Rehm?

[retrowire]

12. lmao, oh boy.

I remember that day clearly.

My face was like WTF? lol

[azurnoir]

53. perhaps Hillary should have checked out voting demographics in 2012 for Obama

before opening her mouth-she might have found out the 'shocking' (for her apparently) truth American Jews vote in America's interests

[bullwinkle428]

16. BAM!! That's what I thought of immediately! "Dual-citizenship", anyone?

[Le Taz Hot]

5. Criminee!

Is that all they know? Attack attack attack? And Sanders just keeps on the message.

[TheBlackAdder]

50. I said it before... Mirroring 2008: She'll soon enter the "poo throwing" stage of her campaign! nt

[XemaSab]

149. That ship has sailed.

n/t

[frylock]

176. Her trained monkey, David Brock, has been doing that for months.

[WillyT]

6. K & R !!!

[Jefferson23]

8. I assure you Hillary Clinton, this is one smear you will lose on. n/t

[bunnies]

9. Someone should tell her that Bernie is Jewish...

before she makes an ass out of herself.

[jillan]

13. And that Bernie's father fled Poland after his family was wiped out in the Holocaust.

[bunnies]

15. Yep.

Maybe she hasn't heard.

[starroute]

213. Bernie's father got to America around 1924

It's true that much of his family was wiped out in the Holocaust, but that was long after he'd left.

[Avalux]

10. So....Hillary wants to prove she's a better Jew than Sanders?

Oh this is a terrible move Hillary, attacking Bernie for being a bad Jew isn't going to work.

[LondonReign2]

60. Well, to be fair, if there is a move to be made

you can count on Hillary to show her bad judgment and ALWAYS make the wrong one.

[LiberalArkie]

134. Well she wants to be a better Zionist than Bernie is, And she probably is.

[klook]

139. Didn't you know?

Bill was our first Black Jewish president.

[Avalux]

140. LOLOLOL!

[jillan]

11. Another thread on this....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280115160

That's okay - the more the merrier.

This is sleazy politics at its finest.

[restorefreedom]

18. thx for the heads up..

probably good that it is in bernie group and gdp..the more exposure her slimy tactics get, the better!

[beam me up scottie]

14. Whoop there it is, 2008 all over again. Last time it was race baiting.

How low will she go?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

49. It's still race baiting.

[mikehiggins]

204. Please! I keep asking people not to raise that question. The campaign takes it as a challenge. eom

[bettyellen]

17. So- no one can discuss policy regarding Israel or they are racist? Interesting.

Saw the same thing about POC issues here not long ago. And sexism....No discourse allowed!
Kind of authoritarian, no?

[restorefreedom]

21. did you read the headline?

they are planning an attack, and a nasty and unfactual one at that.

[bettyellen]

31. Future crimes- like she "gave a victory speech" in Iowa, that never happened.

Like it or not, Israel is another part of the foreign policy debate that Sanders will have to face.
The conversation should be had without this pre-emptive race war bullshit.

[restorefreedom]

45. she is firing the first shot

if you have an issue with the tone of the campaign, you might want to email the clinton campaign.....

[bettyellen]

71. the "tone issue" is with how you titled this OP.

gas on the fire.

[restorefreedom]

86. unfortunately, if the shoe fits....

Jew-baiting
Definitions
noun
active persecution or harassment of Jews

[bettyellen]

99. So discussing policy on Israel is off the table... because he is Jewish?

And it would be harassing him to do so? I am seriously asking here. These are the same issues that come around every four years.

[restorefreedom]

108. discussing policy issues is fine. its what bernie has been about

but sending her surrogates out to say statements like this

"Bernie is a secular Jew and I don’t think his religion influenced his stance on Israel,” said Hodes

is vile and obvious personal attack on his purported religious point of view (which they have no right to define for him) and an assumption that whatever his religious feelings are, that they should automatically affect his middle east policy in the way that they see fit.

what if we started saying stuff like "well as a supposed christian, it is clear that hillarys religion does not prevent her from having a hawkish war stance that will cost lives, and a philosophy of catering to the one percent rather than the poor, favoring lower wages, or being in favor of the death penalty."

do we really want to go down that road?

[bettyellen]

114. we are already on the road where they are both questioned about their spirituality...

and how it informs their decisions. They asked both of them at the last debate, and had to ask Bernie twice before he answered. (and they both answered pretty well and I wish that was the end of it, frankly) I wish it weren't so, but it is what it is.

[restorefreedom]

119. i think its a personal matter

and for any campaign or the msm to politicize it is a road to the bottom.

hoping it goes no further, but msm will undoubtedly pick the scab.

[sarge43]

133. I hope some day a candidate will tell them to pound sand

I'd pay good money to hear one answer, looking straight at the camera, "My faith or beliefs or lack of them is my personal business. No one else. If my public record and personal behavior isn't enough for you to judge my abilities, then don't vote for me. By the way, the Constitution forbids a religious test for office or public trust."

Don't care what party, I would consider voting for that person.

[bettyellen]

150. Me too! Our first atheist will be groundbreaking. But when you look at the yahoos on the

right, I have to wonder how long it will take.

[restorefreedom]

158. i agree. its unseemingly. nt

[bettyellen]

135. I wish the voters felt that way, but like it or not spirituality matters to many voters

and the first admitted atheist is going to have run an ugly gauntlet and likely lose big time. Afterward voters might regret it, and that candidate seen as a better person after all compared to some church goers. I hope I live to see that day!
Same as Hillary went through and now Bernie, being the first is not going to be an easy thing. But it is a standard part of the process in our cultural evolution- toward the acceptance of others. Anyone who is not the same old white protestant dude will take the heat. The RW nominee will be scrutinized as well. I think it is how you handle the scrutiny that matters most.

[restorefreedom]

151. my guess is that anyone who would disqualify sanders

because of his religion or clinton because of her religion or gender is probably already a gop supporter.not sayin dems aren't spiritual, but i think they are better able to separate it from policy issues.

hopefully any such issues will have minimal impact, at least for dems.

[bettyellen]

160. I am saying we have to accept that there will be an impact in the national.

It depresses me that a mania for *presenting yourself as* religious has swept our country, but it has.
I speak out against it often, but have no hope this will change soon for atheists. I have regretted being honest about my atheism in the workplace, and I am in the most diverse city in America. So, I get that it sucks.

[restorefreedom]

168. it might impact the national.

but i believe that most people for whom this is a serious issue are probably already quite conservative and are unlikely to vote dem in a ge. crossover types are hopefully not as likely to make religion a priority.

and agree, it does suck. sorry for your workplace troubles. many are sadly so intolerant and bigoted. i am gonna guess that the people at work are proselytizing christians, but that probably starts a whole nuther conversation....

[bettyellen]

178. You nailed it on the workplace crony. I often feel very distant from the POV that this shit

matters, but once in a while I get a shock realizing it does. I worked a very ugly campaign once, not realizing that in that day in a mostly modern city, a Jew would have a tough time. There had been an Italian/ Catholic power base for a long time, and it wasn't only the older people who spit out disgusting things at public meetings.
The (future) mayor himself pretended very loudly that someone called him a "dirty w*p" at a public meeting. It didn't happen, but made the papers. Words matter to me. We should all chose them wisely. (This was about five seconds after his campaign manager actually called someone a "k*ke"- which was not reported)

[restorefreedom]

187. holy crap. i hope i live long enough

to see this kind of crap very rare/nonexistant.

i have acquaintances who are ultra christian. i am most certainly not going to get into anything with them, even though they like discussing religion. i do not need or want to be "saved" according to their parameters. they would never accept my pov (dharmic/earth spirituality hybrid) and i don't have the energy to engage them.

i guess the conventional wisdom is right about not dicsussing politics or religion, and yet here we are on du lol

[bettyellen]

200. that horrible candidate also followed me home, trying to convince me to quit and take

a paid position with him. Could not get him to stop following me. I declined. Last thing he said to me was- "It would be a pity if your building went up in flames". This was a very corrupt town, the kind where people were proud to hint they "were connected". I was frightened, but did not quit.

A friend who worked one poll actually saw a councilman hand over the traditional "bag of names" - they kept hundreds of voters on the rolls who had died or moved out of town. There was lots of construction, so they would accrue more every time a buildings occupants left. That election the FBI filmed people voting three times each using those names, and nothing ever came of it. Connected.

[restorefreedom]

218. i am stunned but not surprised.

good on you for not backing down!

hard to believe its 2016......

[bettyellen]

219. the bag of names still exists. two of our former mayors were jailed....

(including the one I described above) and we finally have an honest mayor after twenty years of heavy corruption. She spoke out against our governor, but I don't think she can handle running again after all she has been through. Too much money to be made around here. We are probably back to electing more future felons.

[restorefreedom]

220. ugh. sounds like the al capone days. sad. nt

[bettyellen]

221. yeah, apparently we are in election law text books too. was deeply disappointed that

the FBI thing went no where. a dear old friend took very clear videos of the same huge group being ferried from poll to poll. but nothing happened.

[restorefreedom]

222. arrrrfghhhhhh!! corruption sux big time. nt

[Sophiegirl]

118. Spot on.

[restorefreedom]

122. it really has no where to go but down. nt

[SwampG8r]

109. Are you admitting there is indeed a fire?

She lit it but by commenting on her action its someone elses fault?

[bettyellen]

153. hollering "jew baiting!!!" is thoughtful commentary?

[roguevalley]

24. given that they slime people for less ... obama boys anyone? ... we have no hope that she will

talk decently. It has nothing to do with what you say. It has everything to do with long experience with her shit.

[jillan]

51. Nobody said that bettyellen! I am certain Israel will be discussed in debates on more than

one occasion! As it should be.

[bettyellen]

77. look around this thread. Israel cannot be debated in a sane manner.

And I think there is a ton or irony around that, considering their respective positions.

[jillan]

78. Nobody is saying that but you.

[cali]

89. For pity's sake, READ

In a message tailored specifically to Jewish voters, Hodes, who has been working closely with the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire, zoomed in on Sanders’ apparent lack of interest in Israel as a factor that should cause voters from the community to re-think their support for the Jewish American who has just climbed higher than most others in Democratic politics.

“Bernie is a secular Jew and I don’t think his religion influenced his stance on Israel,” said Hodes. “We know Hillary and we know she has an unshakeable bond with Israel, so this shouldn’t pose a great dilemma for Jewish voters.”

Of course, it remains to be seen if a scorched-earth stratagy will succeed in denting Sanders’ popularity.

A Sienna Research poll of New York voters published Monday found that 41% of Jews in the state plan to vote for Clinton in the primaries, while only 33% of Jewish New Yorkers said they would give their vote to Sanders, who grew up in a Brooklyn Jewish family.

At the same time, New York Jews expressed a more favorable opinion of Sanders than they did when asked about Clinton.

[bettyellen]

103. Politicians are forced to discuss this policy every four years, Bernie does not get a pass.

I know his supporters would love to arrange another "get out of foreign policy discussion" card for him.
But it just ain't going to happen. I happen to agree with Bernie, but I also know that is not the most popular opinion in many areas. It is what it is.
Hillary has been criticized to no end for the influence of her spirituality and connections to religious groups. It works with some voters, and alienates others. Bernie will face the other side of those criticisms, for his secularism. I'm not looking forward to either, but it is to be expected.

[cali]

107. This has nothing to do with issues

Hillary Clinton is about to call Bernie Sanders a fake Jew

http://americablog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-fake-jew.html

[bettyellen]

121. Just because you and I think the voters should not care about their practices....

does not mean they do not. Unfortunately, many do. Sanders campaign is groundbreaking and inspiring partially because he is not pandering to the church goers. I think it is awesome, but also recognize it is actually a radical thing in a presidential race. Gotta accept the good with the bad to achieve change.

[greymouse]

164. not racist, the key word is anti-semitic

Any indication that Israel may be at fault in any way for anything exposes the speaker as an anti-semite.

[bettyellen]

211. Bernie was always going to take a beating from the Pro-Isreal crowd

This is 100% expected from them, unfortunately.

[mikehiggins]

206. Betty ellen? Welcome to my block list

[cali]

19. It's a twofer for her. Jew, Jew for certain markets and

bad Jew for the Jewish market.

[jham123]

20. Blacks, Women and now Jews?

Holy smokes, she just won't quit attacking people.

Young Girls go to rallies to find Boyfriends and are going to Hell

Black votes are "Owned" by Clinton

Now Jews aren't as Jewish as Clinton....

[BainsBane]

25. She did none of that

Just as you clearly didn't bother to even read the excerpt provided in the OP.

[jham123]

29. Obtuse much?

It doesn't look well on you, however....

[BainsBane]

34. If you have evidence

provide it. Go on. Name calling does not suffice for substantive political discussion.

[jham123]

47. Who called a name?

Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

[BainsBane]

55. "obtuse"

Your words, your mouth, and still no evidence.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. You said she was "obtuse"

I might not be a lexicographer but I don't believe you meant it as a compliment.

[jham123]

76. I'm not sure

what Lexicographer means, but I know that "obtuse" isn't a noun

[beam me up scottie]

79. It's not, just ignore them.

They're trying to deflect and derail the thread.

[H2O Man]

110. Why do you hate puppies?

[beam me up scottie]

113. LOL!

Bernie's campaign is only about kittens, no room for puppies in the revolution!

[H2O Man]

120. You are not allowed

to campaign for Carly Fiorina on this forum. Please stop, or I'll be forced to alert on you. And I really don't want to do that, even though everything you say is helping Carly Fiorina. And everything you don't say helps her, too. (Maybe you're not really a Democrat?)

[beam me up scottie]

126. Then I wilI alert on your alert, sir.

True story: I posted a sarcastic response to a defeatist op explaining why Bernie can't win (because of something or other) by opining that we should all just stay home since the Republicans will win anyway. Unfortunately I didn't think I needed the sarcasm smilie.

Yes it was alerted for encouraging people to stay home in November.

Lesson learned.

[H2O Man]

179. Isn't that something?

Unreal.

[beam me up scottie]

198. I could tell you stories.

[Behind the Aegis]

228. As an FYI:

This was added to the article (I don't know when or why it is in the middle of the article):

UPDATE: The Clinton campaign denied that it was considering this strategy. “We have no idea what this report is referring to. The notion that we’re planning to start attacking Sanders’ record on Israel is simply false,” Laura Rosenberger, foreign policy adviser, told the Forward.

Of course, you know I was reading this thread and I swear I was able to see my own brain, they rolled that far back this time. Of course, you know what caused me to .

It is gonna be a long few months, even longer, if Sanders becomes our candidate.

[beam me up scottie]

229. You got that right, my friend.

[bettyellen]

39. It is sad you need to write this crap- 'Black votes are "Owned"'

New lows hit here every day. The resentment towards the black vote could not be more palpable.

[jham123]

42. Where did "I" say it?

I just reported what was said

[bettyellen]

63. I just "reported what was said", like the person who told me Hillary's campaign

says "fuck white people" or we want to "buss POC to NH"?
I have seen a lot of this "innocent me just reporting" made up stuff lately.
"Owns blacks"? Maybe one pundit said it, but pretending it is part of the Clinton campaign is complete bullshit.

[jham123]

106. I like this one

she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”

[frylock]

182. Hillary wants to bring black kids to heel.

Wow.

[beam me up scottie]

58. A Hillary supporter posted an OP titled "All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton"

She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:

Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.

Maybe they were referring to that?

[jham123]

87. Classic Comedy!!

I needed a good chuckle

[bettyellen]

92. If you don't find the use of "POC owned" problematic I don't know what to say to you....

It's an ugly dog whistle- and that poster- and now you, added the word "owned".
To pretend it came from the famous internet meme "all your base are belong" is complete bullshit. Stop feigning ignorance, and giving inflammatory bullshit a pass.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Where did I "add" the word 'owned'? I directly quoted a Hilllary supporter.

Those were her words, not mine, maybe you should take it up with her.

[bettyellen]

112. No- the words "owed" are not there. "All your base are belong" - listing what- nine demographics?

Is NOT using the word "owned" to describe black people. Base are belong is a dumb meme used to list a whole slew of groups of voters.

Maybe that person or you did not realize the imagery you were invoking with "POC being owned"- but you do now. It is ugly.

[beam me up scottie]

115. I never said anyone was owned, the op I quoted said they "belong" to Clinton. Isn't that the same?

Maybe that person or you did not realize the imagery you were invoking with "POC being owned"- but you do now. It is ugly.

What are you on about? What did I invoke again?

I simply quoted an op that claimed women and minorities belong to the Clintons.

Whose posts are you reading? They can't be mine.

[bettyellen]

123. the discussion was about this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1194138

then you misquoted a whole other post- claiming that a Clinton supporter used the phrase "owned" months ago- as an excuse to blame Clinton/ Clinton supporters for this "POC owned" meme. She never used those words- you did. Probably why you declined to link to it?

" A Hillary supporter posted an OP titled "All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton"

She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:

Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.


Maybe they were referring to that? "

[beam me up scottie]

129. Bzzt! Wrong again. Stop putting words in people's mouths.

then you misquoted a whole other post- claiming that a Clinton supporter used the phrase "owned" months ago-

I didn't "misquote" ANYTHING, I never claimed that the op used the word "owned".

You just reposted my words, where do you see that?

In fact I directly quoted the op but didn't link to it because such posts get hidden.

Anyone who wants to see it can use the Google.

[bettyellen]

138. "She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:"

That is your quote. And yet the word "owned" appeared no where in that post-which was a list you also mischaracterized as being "women and minorities" leaving out- what? five other groups?

Yeah, you mischaracterized that post to defend the use of "POC owned" (pretending a Clinton supporter did it first) - and you did so knowing exactly how inflammatory it is.

[beam me up scottie]

141. Owned = belonging to. I then went on to quote the op verbatim.

Explain to me how 'owned' and 'belonging to' are different again?

own

adjective & pronoun

1. used with a possessive to emphasize that someone or something belongs or relates to the person mentioned.

Are you actually saying you're okay with someone saying those groups "belong" to someone?

[bettyellen]

144. "all your base belong" to eight different voting segments does not compare to

boasting of "owning POC". Owning black people- does that ring a bell?

If you can't figure out the difference, maybe you should stop discussing POC and crack open a few history books. But I am guessing you know exactly what the difference is.

[beam me up scottie]

157. Belong = own, did you not read the definition I so helpfully provided for you?

Let's try another dictionary:

own

› ​belonging to or done by a ​particular ​person or thing:

If you can't figure out the difference, maybe you should stop discussing POC and crack open a few history books.

If you can't figure out that those two words mean the same thing maybe you should crack open a book:

[bettyellen]

169. Are you pretending "base belong" is not a widely used meme now? Seriously?

I don't think memes have made it yet to Websters, but good job trying to strip away all context from her post. Which was about union members, LGBT, Irish-Americans, Latinos, young people and Jewish Democrats- as well as women and POC.

No one but the poster above said Clinton "owns" blacks, and you- while falsely attributing it to someone else.

[beam me up scottie]

173. Are you pretending it's not offensive to say that about women and minorities?

Plenty of people objected to that disgusting op, including women and minorities. The only people who seem to think it's acceptable to use that kind of language support the same candidate.

Funny that.

[bettyellen]

180. It is offensive to say "POC are owned" and you should apologize for it.

I made that pretty darned clear.

[beam me up scottie]

185. Why should I apologize when I didn't say it? Are you feeling okay, bettyellen?

Getting posters mixed up like that is a bad sign. Maybe you need a break?

[bettyellen]

188. I quoted you, but keep denying the catapulting....

of racially divisive propaganda. We see it for exactly what it is.

[beam me up scottie]

193. WHERE did I say that? Link or slink. I'm tired of you making up crap and then doubling down.

It is offensive to say "POC are owned" and you should apologize for it.

Post the link or admit I never said that.

[bettyellen]

203. upthread- although you attributed it to someone else....

THEY never said it- but YOU did, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1194277

[beam me up scottie]

205. So you admit you made it up, good.

A Hillary supporter posted an OP titled "All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton"

She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:

I was referring to another poster not repeating the same sentiment.

I NEVER said "POC are owned" period.

Now apologize for attributing those words to me.

[frylock]

186. 'All of your base are belong to us' translates to pwnd..

Pwn is a leetspeak slang term derived from the verb own, as meaning to appropriate or to conquer to gain ownership. The term implies domination or humiliation of a rival,used primarily in the Internet-based video game culture to taunt an opponent who has just been soundly defeated (e.g., "You just got pwned!&quot .

[bettyellen]

202. word choice matters. "POC being owned" was the choice two people made on this thread.

No one else here actually said that, and yes the truth matters.

[beam me up scottie]

207. Which two people said those words? Link to the posts and quote the EXACT text.

I'm tired of your attributing words to me that I never said.

[bettyellen]

208. I already gave you the links. Nice try.

[beam me up scottie]

209. You linked to my post, here is the text, POINT IT OUT:

A Hillary supporter posted an OP titled "All Your Base Are Belong to Clinton"

She went in to list the women and minorities that are "owned" by the Clintons including AAs:

Blacks. As Toni Morrison said, Bill Clinton was the first Black president--until Obama was the first Black president. Hillary is married to one of these man, and she was Secretary of State for the other. In addition, she is Obama's anointed successor, and in 2008 she very graciously buried the hatchet at the Convention and campaigned for her primary opponent in a way that other Democratic nomination losers (see Ted Kennedy 1980) did not. Can Sanders peel away Clinton's Black support? Maybe. But people who live in fear of being shot by the police for no reason at all take politics pretty seriously. They are not likely to give up a "sure thing" in order to take a chance with something new.

Where does it say "POC are owned"?

[bettyellen]

212. it says "owned" in the middle of a lie attributing it to another poster.

You totally misquoted that poster. Clever editing, I have to say.

[beam me up scottie]

214. That post wasn't edited. You accused me of using the words "POC are owned", WHERE ARE THEY?

This is the link you posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1194277

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You're not going to weasel out of it, show me where I posted those words.

I'm not going to accuse you of lying but it's up to you to prove you didn't.

[beam me up scottie]

230. Are you going to admit you made up that quote and attributed it to me or not?

I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

22. Cue the theme song to Curb Your Enthusiasm. n/t

[BainsBane]

23. Your headline does not conform with the content of the article

Since the criticism has to do with his not being friendly enough to Israel (something I strongly disagree with), which has absolutely nothing to do with his religious affiliation.

To listen to you and others who have posted similar accusations, it would seem we must spend the campaign and entire Sanders presidency, should he be elected, with a complete moratorium on any an all discussions of US relations with Israel and the Palestinian conflict.

[cali]

36. Bull

[BainsBane]

38. Evidence, Cali?

Please, show me how I'm wrong.

[cali]

57. Their positions on Israel are almost identical.

Attacking him on this is intended to do two things: tell Jews that a Jew doesn't sufficiently support Israel (she even used a Jewish surrogate as her attack dog on the issue) and point out that he's a Jew to devout Christians in the south.

No, that's not.hard evidence. But it is logic and common sense particularly taking into account her documented dog whistle history.

[BainsBane]

88. I agree that their positions are nearly identical

at least as far as I know. The rest, I do not buy. You attribute malice, when the comment is the standard stuff of campaigns regarding policy. Whether or not the policy differences exist is a legitimate issue. She doesn't mention he's a Jew, so how would this be conveying a message to "Southern voters," whom for some reason you've decided are particularly anti-semitic? If her argument had been that he's too close to Israel, the point might be persuasive. That he isn't a good enough friend can hardly convey antisemitism. Jewish voters are certainly perfectly capable of making their own informed decisions on who better represents their particular views on US-Israeli relations.

As for dog whistles, she hardly has the corner on that one. After all, Sanders has himself made problematic statements about voters of color. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters

Whereas the attacks on voters of color and women are a central line of attack by his surrogates/supporters--Stockholm Syndrome, uninformed, "vagina voters," "club vagina," or just plain "p...y."

[jillan]

62. WHERE does it say we should not talk about Israel? WHERE?

[jham123]

40. So, this "Trial Balloon"

...set out by the Clinton Camp means that "She herself" is above reproach for the statement?

Even though it was uttered at her rally, by her people??

I suppose the "Special place in Hell" doesn't stick to Hillary either.....she's just a innocent bystander

[BainsBane]

52. When the same charges have been made about Obama

was that "Jew baiting"?

Madeleine Albright has been making that comment since time immemorial. It's even on coffee cups.
It was a mistake to make it in the context of this campaign, and it diverges completely from what Clinton herself has said about Sanders supporters.

[jham123]

56. Obama?

What are you talking about Obama for??

I'm not sure if you have been watching, but the race is between Sanders and Clinton with Sanders leading by a landslide

[JonLeibowitz]

64. Madeline Albright rebuked Sarah Palin for repeating the line for her own benefit. Difference?

[jham123]

80. and you wonder

Why the youth vote isn't going with the establishment.

I may know the difference, but I'm not the demographic perplexing Clinton...well...maybe I am

[jham123]

70. "Madeleine Albright has been making that comment since time immemorial"

And that right there is problem with the whole thing


Here is Clinton, losing poorly to the anti-establishment candidate, Bernie Sanders, So what does Clinton do? Brings in a Dinosaur from the very establishment she suffers from in the polls and that Dinosaur utters some statement that was supposed to be cool in the past......and it doesn't float at all....

Here is why your candidate is going down the tubes faster than she can grab more Wall street money

[jeff47]

147. Just because she said it before does not mean it was unoffensive in this use.

Here's what Albright said:

It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.

Were listeners supposed to not connect the first two sentences with the third?

[jham123]

234. Well stated

And I agree....

Until someone linked up the Historical context, I hadn't a clue and neither did the thousands of young women that voted for Bernie. All they saw was some more of the same ol' establishment

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. Sanders is a friend of Israel. Clinton is a friend of Netanyahu. nt

[BainsBane]

35. They both are friends of Likud

[Cheese Sandwich]

54. Sure, that's why Sanders boycotted Netanyahu's speech to Congress.

[jillan]

73. Show me a link where it shows that Bernie is a friend of Likud.

You are always inserting comments without any links.

In fact - here is the opposite of what you are saying - with a link!

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/bernie-sanders-slams-netanyahus-warmongering-speech-congress.html

[6chars]

83. he was on a kibbutz of the pro-likud hashomer hatsair movement

or, no.

[jillan]

91. LOL!! A kibbutz was a socialist movement in Israel. Very much like communes were a movement

in the US.

The Likud party is a right of center party.
Not to mention the Likud party was formed AFTER Bernie lived in a kibbutz.

[6chars]

105. and his was particularly lefty.

of course he isn't buds w/Netanyahu. but it is nice how he doesn't make things about personality. you can see it in debates w/Clinton - if he disagrees on policy, he disagrees and says so clearly, but maybe he is old enough to realize it doesn't do any good to add fuel to the fire.

[cali]

93. Uh no. That would only be Hill.

[BainsBane]

95. You're contradicting yourself now

You just insisted their positions are identical.

[cali]

104. No I'm not. First of all, I said close to identical

Secondly, Hillary has spoken, and since leaving State, admiringly of Netanyahu. Bernie boycotted his speech. As far as their voting records go, pretty damn close. In any case, the point is that this is what she is doing.


Hillary Clinton is about to call Bernie Sanders a fake Jew

http://americablog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-fake-jew.html

[dchill]

27. Now THAT is kitchen sink!

[DemocraticSocialist8]

28. Given Sander's own ethnicity, I'm sure he's not scared of talking about Israel

[longship]

30. Oh boy!

What are they thinking?

That's right. They're not thinking. They just want to win. No matter what????

Maybe. Like the Zen Master, we'll see.

This is Tom Hanks and Philip Seymour Hoffman at their best. Mike Nichols last film, Charlie Wilson's War, one of those little gems that nobody has seen, but has some significant political impact, if it had been more widely seen.

Trailer:

That ball! It keeps on bouncing!

[Fumesucker]

43. I watched Bernie on The View this morning

He came across as honest and authentic and a bit funny too.

I think the slime will slide right off him and back onto whoever is throwing it, that's the way it has gone so far.

[longship]

59. That's my feeling, too.

His ethics are fairly pure. One has to knit pick to portray anyway else.

That's it!!!! All they have is knit picks!

[ladjf]

67. That's basically the same thing Buddha said happens to "mud slingers". My slang, not his.

I think he said something along the lines of "to speak ill of someone".

[klook]

143. When I went looking for that quote, I found another gem:

"As an elephant in the battlefield endures the arrows shot from a bow, even so will I endure abuse and unfriendly expressions of others." - The Buddha, His Life and Teachings: Equanimity and Self-Composure

That being said, I'm glad the Sanders campaign is addressing the lies, albeit through his campaign manager.

[JonLeibowitz]

74. Loved that movie! And I am reminded of that monologue so many times this election season. n/t

[longship]

101. Remember the tagline, "That ball keeps on bouncing!"

Many here should learn that lesson.

Charlie Wilson knew it. He helped defeat the Russians in Afghanistan with help from Pakistan, Israel, and Egypt -- who could have predicted such an alliance? And, as Gust Avrogatos said, the crazies are overtaking things there, Congress bailed.

Wilson couldn't complete the deal , however not without trying his best.

He was one helluva good Congresscritter.

And indeed, it is one of my favorite flicks, and sadly, Mike Nichols' last.

As British humorist Peter Cook once aptly said, "I have learned by mistakes and I can repeat them exactly."

To you!

[6chars]

32. this will backfire to the extent it is noticed.

[Fumesucker]

33. When someone tells you who they are you should believe them n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. She's not waving, she's drowning.

With credit to Stevie Smith's poem.

[cali]

41. She wouldn't be attacking him on this if he wasn't Jewish.

Their positions on Israel are very close.

[restorefreedom]

48. bingo, cali. nt

[Voice for Peace]

61. Yes, it seems that way.

How to get the emphasis on his ethnicity into more prominent view. But I've become cynical about them.

[cali]

65. Hi ho, hi ho, a-dog whistling we shall go.

[Eric J in MN]

69. It wasn't an appeal to anti-semitism.

I say that as Jewish supporter of Bernie Sanders.

Bernie Sanders was more critical of Israel's bombing of Gaza. That's probably what the pro-Clinton speaker was referring to.

[jeff47]

155. Uh...no.

This is an attempt at a two-fer.

First, try to distance Sanders from Jewish voters. Probably not effective.

Second, scream to Southern Christians "THERE IS A JEW RIGHT HERE! HERE! THIS GUY IS A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!" before the upcoming, South-heavy slate of primaries.

[restorefreedom]

159. yes. pandering to religious aa voters. transparent, again. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

72. Attack the Jewish American over Israel and

insist on a debate in "de-industrialized America" (after being on record supporting NAFTA which is what caused the devastation to begin with).


This campaign is just F**king terrible.


How can anyone think she will not self destruct in the GE?

[H2O Man]

75. That is so ugly.

I wish her campaign wouldn't go there.

[cali]

98. This is who she is. This isn't singular. It's a pattern of behavior

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

81. And camp Weathervain is thumping their collective chesty

about alerting on your OP.

[QC]

82. 7 things Hillary Clinton has in common with your bubbie!

Coming soon!

[RufusTFirefly]

84. Hillary can tell Netanyahu: "Hey Bibi! Cut it out!" n/t

[UnBlinkingEye]

85. In the spirit of Archie Bunker

Maybe she could attack him for being Polish.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

90. Bad move, Hillary.

That kind of thing once lost a Senator an election. Specifically, some supporters of that candidate, Rudy Boschwitz, sent a letter on campaign stationery to members of the Minnesota Jewish community three days before the 1990 Senate election, accusing Paul Wellstone of being a "bad Jew" for marrying a Gentile and not raising his children in the Jewish faith (Boschwitz was also Jewish). It said: "Wellstone has no connection with the Jewish community or our communal life," the letter said. "His children were brought up as non-Jews." It also noted that Mr. Wellstone served as co-chairman of Jesse Jackson's 1988 Presidential campaign in Minnesota. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/10/us/ousted-senator-apologizes-for-letter-to-jews.html

Wellstone's reply, widely broadcast on Minnesota television, was "He has a problem with Christians, then." The letter stirred up a firestorm and Boschwitz apologized, but he was the only incumbent U.S. senator not to be reelected that year.

[restorefreedom]

94. great info. they never learn. nt

[closeupready]

97. Yup. What despicable people.

[harrisbierhoff]

111. Here is where Clinton's liberal mask comes off

Nobody has perfected Jew-baiting better than the Republicans. The GOP's unconditional support for Israel without regard to a shoddy human rights record and intentional instigation of hostilities with the settlements (a la Olmert and Netanyahu) has unfortunately become the new standard in the American Jewish community at large. As a liberal Jew, I've often encountered this arrogant attitude that Israel can do no wrong with family members and friends. Unfortunately, many American Jews have drunk the Koolade and Hillary knows how to don her right-wing mask when she needs to. I will not be among them. I want Israel to treat Palestinians judiciously, and to enjoy the security they so rightfully deserve. I believe they are not mutually exclusive, and that Clinton's hawkish attitude is NOT in Israel's best interest.

[restorefreedom]

117. thanks for sharing these thoughts

i also have to wonder if this is blatant pandering to the religious aa vote in south carolina. its coming up, and many baptists and evangelicals are very pro israel.

[MosheFeingold]

116. Maybe she can team up with

Ted Nugent.

[senz]

124. Every American Jew I know can't stand Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud Party.

And for our right-leaning "fellow Democrats," do not forget that last year, Bibi Netanyahu, the darling of congressional Republicans, came to America and challenged President Obama on his own turf.

So Hillary had better walk a very careful line on this artful smear.

[MisterP]

167. like Canada or Australia's Tories, Bibi turned Likud into an arm of the GOP under Bush's reign

[malokvale77]

194. That's where my thinking went.

But I have never seen her as Obama's heir apparent.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

216. There's a false choice in DC that you either support the right-wing Likud government....

Or you want to see all Jews marched into the ovens.

[Kentonio]

125. So in the spirit of Bill..

If she wins we can expect 10 years of media heads calling her the first Jewish president?

[DavidDvorkin]

127. That's not "Jew baiting"

[Meshuga]

130. So what? Let her waste her energy doing that...

The worst that could happen with this type of attack is Bernie losing the neocon vote, which he never had in the first place.

This time around will be similar to 2008 where Hillary will likely win the "over 45" Jewish demographic, regardless of what she says about Bernie, while the 40-and-under Jews will likely go for Bernie, regardless of what she says about Bernie.

It's very insulting that her campaign believes we Jews only care about Israel, even when it comes to supporting her.

Social justice is extremely important to the US Jewish community, which lead the Jewish community to overwhelmingly supporting Obama in elections, regardless of how much Obama's opponents smeared him on Israel. It certainly didn't stop Jews from giving our president over 70% of the Jewish vote in both elections.

[George II]

132. "Jew baiting"? Based on one speculative rumor? I'd like to see more "evidence", please. And BTW..

....this is the second time this one newspaper article has been posted here today.

By the way, you're calling a comment by a Jewish former congressman "Jew baiting"?

[bettyellen]

146. that and the assertion here that Clinton claims "to own POC" make this one appalling thread.

My jaw has dropped.

[PonyUp]

136. Wonder what her mentor, Kissinger, who is Jewish, would think about this? n/t

[sulphurdunn]

142. I think the country could use a serious discussion

on what being 'a friend of Israel' has to do with the presidency. As Harry Truman is often quoted as saying: "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog." The United States has interests, not friends. Israel is a foreign power, and in many ways a pain in the ass to the US. Anyone spouting the 'special relationship' and 'friend of Israel' rhetoric should be suspect in his or her commitment to the interests of the United States. It's also past time to note seriously that Judaism is a religion and Zionism is an ideology. They are not equivalent and one need not be one to be the other and shouldn't have to profess otherwise to avoid being attacked as an anti-Semite, or a self-loathing Jew, and certainly not to be President of the United States.

[speaktruthtopower]

148. Follow Bernie's Lead...

and stay on the issues.

[Hekate]

152. JEW BAITING? This is what you've got?

This terminology is horribly offensive on your part, and twists the hell out of what HRC said.

JURY: the OP states that "Clinton Jew baiting campaign has begun." I am repeating the phrase, not originating it.

[restorefreedom]

162. the quote from the article speaks for itself.

"Bernie is a secular Jew and I don’t think his religion influenced his stance on Israel,” said Hodes

[SDJay]

154. I Thought Southern New Hampshire University

only existed online and on the teevee machine? I didn't realize it actually had a physical campus.

[elleng]

163. DAMN them for this!

If I were undecided, THIS crap would tip me over towards Sanders.

There's been no doubt in my mind that the issue would arise, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting it from a Democrat.

[restorefreedom]

171. sad and infuriating at the same time, imo. nt

[TBF]

165. Haaretz and NYTimes both had it up this morning -

I am disgusted.

[Helen Borg]

166. Israel, another topic young voters don't give a shit about...

If anything, they see Israel as a bully nation.

[restorefreedom]

174. yup. nt

[AzDar]

170. I'd say it's unbelievable... but it isn't, really.

[SoapBox]

172. Never issues that matter to voters...always and only slime, sleaze, dirt...

Clintons...they know nothing else but dirty politics.

[Unknown Beatle]

183. So now you have to be good to Israel to be president?

That's utter bullshit! U.S. citizens have to always come first, second, and third precisely because they're citizens.

When you're running for president, Israel shouldn't even be a blip on the radar. Jewish people that are US citizens should come first before even thinking of Israel.

Change that to this: "Hillary Clinton has been a very strong friend of Brazil and that is something that should not be lost on the American Brazilian community.”

There would be an uproar.

[restorefreedom]

189. nailed it. nt

[basselope]

184. But all Jews MUST vote for Sanders, because Sanders is Jewish.

Isn't there something like a special place in hell for any Jew who doesn't vote for Sanders or something like that?

Wait, do Jews believe in Hell?

(I'm Jewish and I don't have a clue).

[restorefreedom]

190. i don't believe they do believe in hell from what a friend has told me

good thing because of that special place and all.....

[mikehiggins]

210. I'm glad you said that, not me. No, AFAIK, Jews don't believe in Hell or even, I think, an afterlife

They do know what anti-semitism really is, though, and what the HRC campaign's subtle cracks are can be pretty obviously seen as anti-semitism.

To me it is like the "firewall" among POC's, that gives Tweetie a thrill up his leg.

I'll believe it when I see it.

This, what I'm seeing now, is attacking Bernie because he is an American first and that somehow makes him anti-Isreal. I guess there is a way to not see that as an anti-semetic attack for partisan political gain but people who can see it that way better hope Bernie does get marijuana off the drug list.

[Lancero]

191. Remember back when that other site was alleging that Sanders was in...

Israels back pocket?

Now they're attacking him because he... well... isn't in their back pocket.

[beam me up scottie]

201. ^^^THIS^^^

They need to get their smears straight.

[LittleBlue]

195. "Friend of Israel" is code for supporting Likud and other right-wing groups

“Senator Sanders hasn’t showed himself to be the kind of friend of Israel that Secretary Clinton is.”

Yeah, we know what kind of "friend" Israel wants. A pushover.

[Vinca]

196. If they go dirty, I guarantee there's a whole lot more bad stuff on the Clintons than Bernie.

They've already sent their minions out to red bait which is about as disgusting as it gets.

[dae]

199. If she makes the same mistakes from her '08 campaign

it should be obvious she does not learn from her mistakes i.e. Iraq War vote. She has yet to go against a military campaign, what would the future hold?

[TwilightGardener]

217. Hillary can't win without sowing division among various groups of Democrats.

Which is why she's an awful candidate, and probably a pretty bad person.