2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe DNC Just Screwed Over Bernie Sanders and Spit in Voters’ Faces
http://usuncut.com/news/the-dnc-superdelegates-just-screwed-over-bernie-sanders-and-spit-in-the-faces-of-voters/Bernie Sanders took 60% of the popular vote among the Democratic race on Tuesday, but because of the delegate process, Bernie Sanders will leave with a minimum of 13 delegates. At the same time, challenger Hillary Clinton (who lost by more than a 20-point margin among the electorate) walks aways with no fewer than 15....
To break it down, New Hampshire has 24 pledged delegates determined by the vote, of which Sanders won 13 and Clinton won 9. However, the state also put forward 8 superdelegates, who are insiders in the states Democratic party who are free to vote how they choose. Six of these are already pledged to Clinton, with the other two remaining undecided, meaning Sanders can, at best, tie with Clinton, despite his commanding lead....
Clinton and the DNC aggressively courted the Democratic establishment long before the primaries began, creating a bulwark against the actual democratic process by using Clintons deep connections within the political establishment to shore up superdelegates.
bkkyosemite
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SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Almost 60k signatures now.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Stryder
(450 posts)Complete with slightly over heated comment.
Slightly.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's done x 2 in this household
Motherfuckers...
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Signed.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)to these party shenanigans have done her in. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!
RKP5637
(67,110 posts)Many people I know feel the same, they think the DNC and the RNC suck and are fed up with the entire system!
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)This needs to be investigated. It's just like her Donors giving Chris Mathews wife money to get him to shill for her. She is attempting to buy the election.
Hillary, understand this, if you win the Primary by Super Delegets alone we will not support you!!!
onecaliberal
(32,862 posts)I'm going to see if I can change my registration now and still vote for Bernie, I am completely finished with these cheating lying piece of shit bastards.
RKP5637
(67,110 posts)This country needs to start looking out for everyone, and Bernie is the only candidate I've heard that knows what equality, opportunity and fairness mean for the 99%!
oasis
(49,389 posts)And by the way, there's no crying in baseball.....or politics.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)what the final vote count. in the end, he won by less than 1/2 percent of the final vote count, but the super delegates had put him over the top some time before.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)blm
(113,063 posts)about the election process that you see this as 'unfair'. It is set up so that those who pay closest attention to elections over a number of years and have worked for electing Democrats to office for many years gain an added voice by doing so.
I am a longtime GOTV activist in a purple state and go through long days and nights every election year, and not just presidential years. I am not a super delegate and will never even bid to become one, but, I do understand why they are given the slightest privilege within the party that they are given. Without these people the party and the organized left, itself, would have collapsed under the pressure of the muscular Bush years.
Elections are HARD WORK year in and year out. Some of you need to get a grip and start facing reality. Sanders would be the last to complain about what some of you complain about in such a knee-jerk fashion. Want to know why? Because he's been in an office for 3 decades. He knows how hard it is and how hard it is to MAINTAIN. Some of his greatest assets to his campaign are also super delegates who EARNED their position the hard way - by being there many more hours, weeks, months, and years than 99.5% of the party.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Got it.
blm
(113,063 posts)don't like it, then work to change it in the years before the next prez primary. Of course, one can always take the HRC supporter route from 2008 that some (not all) have chosen - complain loudly and incessantly about super delegates then gloat about it 8 years later.
Or
.take action to change the process in the years before.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)they will,support the winner or risk the ge, the party, and their own political futures.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)them in.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)My ears are still ringing!
They do not seem to realize a bigoted echo chamber merely reinforces the bigotry. It in no way encourages independent thought.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If superdelegates overturn the will of the people as expressed through regular delegates, it'll be President Trump. Because Yuuuuge numbers of the voters won't take kindly to that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)But it is fun to see the masks pulled away.
RKP5637
(67,110 posts)a F about elections!
lob1
(3,820 posts)she'll bring down the democratic party.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)...if the party doesn't want us... Fuck them!
Time for a write in campaign to break both parties...
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Not among real Democrats.
And this is the Democratic Party, after all. Bernie knew the rules when he chose to run as a Democrat.
Just because a Democratic Socialist/Independent decides that he will finally declare himself to be a Democrat and use Democratic Party resources to run for President - after years of refusing to join the Democratic Party - doesn't mean that he can also rewrite party rules that have been in place since the 1970s.
Every other Democrat has played by these rules since them. Why should Bernie be any different?
frylock
(34,825 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Because you are obviously not among them.
frylock
(34,825 posts)You need independents more than they need you. Without independents, you lose.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)of various stripes help to give us Nixon, Raygun, and Bush II in my lifetime. I only except Bush I because he was no worse than Raygun and not anywhere near as bad as his son. I absolutely loathe "Independents" for that.
I don't share your "purist" principles and never will. I am very proud to be a real Democrat and have no need of comfort.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'm proud of things I've accomplished. You're proud that you signed your name to a document.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)me!
Enjoy your bubble!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)But, you know that.
Bernie has more class in his pinky than that whole herd.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)he is running at all, and would complain no matter what.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Bill opened the the gates for Wall Street takeover of the Democratic party during his administration. What was once Democratic Party values and platform is all but a hollow shell of itself, which most of us are too painfully aware. So tossing out moribund grenades naturally lands with a thud at this point.
just saying.. come up with something fresh to make your case, if you honestly think you have one to make.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)respect whatsoever.
Born and bred in MT and a gal to boot. You have a lot to learn in just about every single way.
2banon
(7,321 posts)learn new things every day, but after 65 years on this planet and surviving, witnessing up front and personal political shenanigans/tomfoolery/outright corruption within our political system and "elected" office holders, I know I've learned a thing or two in just about every single way.
Thank you. and again, this ain't the 1970's.
been there too.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Brick by brick if necessary.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)And we know how that turned out
Relax and
NiteOwl1
(87 posts)If they want a real revolution in the Party... then let them try it.
If they think they can force Hillary down peoples' throats they've got another thing coming. All that will do is energize Bernie's constituency even more.... just what Hillary needs to complete her self-dstruction.
RKP5637
(67,110 posts)Hillary is like a saleslady trying to sell us something. I just find her so plastic and a slick talker.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)Think of it as redistribution of votes.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I'm glad this happened now. I hope more people see this and make it to the polls and vote for Bernie. Steal an election and pay the consequences. I have said early on that I would still vote for HilLIARy if she's the nominee. But if they do this kind of shit, I will write in Bernie's name. Laugh that off. And I'm not alone.
It's time a whole bunch of you went away and formed your own party. The long-term life of the Democratic Party is much more important than the damage of being perceived as a bunch of Democratic Socialists. Wearing that mantle is the expressway to the graveyard.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the new comers. You leave.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)I am a Bernie supporter and volunteer.
At 52, I am a lifelong democrat.
For me to vote for her, she must defeat Bernie with no doubt as the will of the people.
I will leave the party if these DLC shenanigans continue.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Response to BKH70041 (Reply #23)
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My fucking ignore is getting longer and longer, I have to add every silly person I see to it,it is a compulsion with me...Gets longer every day...cannot stand silliness..
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)If Bernie supporters left the Democratic Party, the remaining Party would be so small a Democrat would not be elected dog catcher. We would remain under corporate and Republican rule, something neither of us would like too much!
0rganism
(23,956 posts)can you be more specific about which of us you want to go away and form a 3rd party (which would almost certainly cost Democrats multiple national elections)?
eta: i have been neutral in this primary so far, but let me just say you are doing a bang-up job of representing your preferred candidate
lastone
(588 posts)Your blind support for Hillary is what will damage the Democratic party.
This is Bernie Sanders party now, deal with it.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That's funny considering Hillary's demographics have "see a woman president" on their bucket list.
lob1
(3,820 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)30% of the electorate make up your party, and that number continues to drop.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Thomas Jefferson had advice that was aimed at you.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Ignorant, too.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I know.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)The supers can change their minds, but it rarely happens. The failsafe of the superdelegate was first explored after Kennedy was murdered in 1968. I believe that the 1972 election caused the party to adopt the measure.
But it does sound vaguely like redistribution of wealth... in a way.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)nominating process? Indies have ZERO right to determine our nominee. they aren't registered Dem. They don't attend our meetings or have anything to do with our operations. Why no OP's reaming the Iowa and NH Democratic establishment?
Of course Indies voted for Sanders in Iowa and NH, so maybe your hypocrisy is showing just a little, eh? A little non-democracy is ok when it helps your guy.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)that regard.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)In order to vote in the California primary. I have a right to register/vote any way that I want to. Sorry that is so upsetting to you. If you don't like it, um, too bad??
Persondem
(1,936 posts)is your right. But that is not what happens in all states.
frylock
(34,825 posts)we have an open primary here.
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)California is an open primary state.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
You don't have to register for any party.
You just show up and vote for your candidate.
Satch59
(1,353 posts)"Fairness" is voting in a Dem or Repub primary so that each party picks their nominee. I like Bernie but the fact that he's a registered independent running in a veiled democratic socialist label doesn't sit right. He's riled up independent voters and a social media driven college crowd who spew hatred here like Trump supporters. Let the process play out and a true democratic candidate will emerge as the nominee... I agree that independents shouldn't vote in party primaries and will see what happens in the upcoming Dem Primaries...
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)But I have voted strictly for Democrats my entire life. Just because I didn't fill out a form doesn't mean I am less liberal or deserving of a vote than registered D's. This is NOT the Party of exclusion.
Since when did people like me become mudbloods?
ETA: you don't have to register any party affiliation in Virginia to vot in the primary.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Thank you for voting for dems. This isn't the GE.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)It has never been necessary.
frylock
(34,825 posts)And if they don't vote for your candidate in the GE, it will be their fault that your candidate lost, right?
Persondem
(1,936 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)but we're required to vote for the candidate of your choosing? Have I got that right?
Persondem
(1,936 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Take a guess as to who has my vote.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Lovely democratic attitude? Do you even read what you post?
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Think much of yourself ?!!?!?
YOU do not attend meetings. Do NOT help organize the party. Do NOT attend conventions. You do NOT knock on doors doing the work of growing the party through voter registration. You do NONE. ZERO. NADA of the work that goes into developing and maintaining a nationwide organization yet you think you have the right to vote as if you do.
Well take a flying fucking leap backward. BECAUSE YOU DON'T.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)is check a box on a voter reg. form. Pretty damn simple, but evidently too much for you to do.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They aren't fooling anyone except gullible Clinton supporters. The superdelegates don't vote until the convention...they can change their mind, as they did in 08. At the convention, the superdelegates will fall in line with the majority of pledged delegates. Otherwise there will be a November bloodbath for Democrats including downticket races.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Doitnow
(1,103 posts)the superdelegates have never gone against the majority wishes. The reason is probably the threat that those superdelegates presently in elected office can be sure they will be voted out soon after. Bad for everybody.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)becomes non-democratic with regards to our most basic practices in democracy, they will lose me for good.
I've said all along that (a) I really don't dislike HRC and think she'd be a good POTUS and that (b) while I support Sanders I'd happily vote for her in the GE, especially considering the crappola we'd be facing from the other side, whichever slime emerges from that feces-flinging contest.
But if this were to happen, I'd have to reexamine all of that. It would be the opposite of democracy.
I really hope this doesn't happen.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)If Hillary gets the nomination against the will of the voters, I may sit out a presidential election for the first time in my life. And I'm pushing 60.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)are free to change their mind at any time. Most of them have the decency to follow the wishes of their states voters.
Hopefully they will see that she is misusing their pledge to claim inevitability. They should not even be listed in primary polls.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The justification is that it's needed in case a scandal breaks regarding the leading candidate shortly before the Democratic National Convention.
However, another means could be created to deal with that situation. For example, letting the scandal-plagued leading candidate file a form to release the delegates he-or-she won to vote for another candidate.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)and have been upset with them for years now because IMO I've seen so few of them going to bat for "we the people" even IF they didn't have control of either House.
I told the person who answered that to me even IF they didn't have control I RARELY HEARD any of them even stand up outside of their offices to at least make speeches in the public square and denounce in strong terms how offended they were about the Repuke policies. Told them I realized they may not have had the NUMBERS to vote against issues, but they could have at least made enough noise and tell their constituents how they were willing to help us fight back. I've seen so little of it in many, many years. And then of course there are the DINO's who actually voted WITH the Repukes!
Mainly made the point that people in this country might have FINALLY reached the boiling point, and STILL they fight against us by getting on the Hillary band wagon before ANY VOTE had been cast.
I find it offensive that they don't understand THEY WORK FOR US, but apparently THEY don't think they do! They are going to find that THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY doesn't really want anything to change. They should be out showing us how MUCH they appreciate their constituents, but basically they are completely UNWILLING to go against "group think" and fall in line with the DNC meme!
We all need to let our Congress Critters know about our anger, and in my case depending on who the nominee is, I will be leaving the Party. I will vote for our nominee, even if it's Hillary... but after that I WILL let the door hit my ass on the way out.
I NOW need to see WHAT they will do for us, the people of this country and STOP us from becoming a complete OLIGARCHY!
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)That's how the Democratic Party functions. He hasn't been a member so I give him a pass, but he can't complain now.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)If they DARE use the Superdelegates to for Hillary on us it will be the end of the Democratic Party.
TBF
(32,063 posts)and we can bury them fast by not turning out to the general. They know that. Bluff called.
Broward
(1,976 posts)In addition to throwing the election to the Repubs, the Party would be finished.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Telling a majority of voters their votes are being ignored would be a catastrophic mistake. Those disaffected voters won't vote for Hillary, won't vote for downticket Democrats, and many will leave the party. It would be a scorched earth tactic by the DNC that will be an effective suicide. A party that weakened won't be winning any elections for years to come.
basselope
(2,565 posts)"Six of these are already pledged to Clinton"
They are not PLEDGED. These are people who have indicated support for Clinton, but can easily switch.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)so to speak, and if the opponent gets the majority absent the supers, they switch and the opponent wins.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)at the doors of DWS and the DNC. It is not gonna fly. And on another note, I wonder how much Hillary got in donations since last night? I bet its not 5.2 mil. I would like to see how much Bernie would have actually gotten if we didn't break the internet trying to donate.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Let the people shine a light on this by showing up at their doors to protest - EN MASSE.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Vinca
(50,276 posts)The same will happen this time if Bernie starts stacking up state wins. Our biggest problem is that Clinton was pretty much the chosen candidate before the election even started and that way of thinking has to be turned around.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)the remaining superdelegates will not be official until they actually vote at the convention. Many superdelegates will likely shift their positions as the primary process starts bringing a fuller picture of what the voters actually want.
I understand the frustration with the way these are reported, but in a way I think it's a good thing. It helps bring to light the insanity of the 1% getting to put their thumb on the scale.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)makes a lot of sense......
ellennelle
(614 posts)if the DNC insists on this plan, and truly and royally plans to screw the voters, then they may think they've stopped a revolution, when in fact, they'll inspire a revolt!
this means we really have to get serious about lobbying them about this, folks.
petitions from moveon are all fine and good, but they will be dismissed. why would the DNC care about moveon?
we have to, individually and to a person, make ourselves thorns in the sides of every single DNC official and delegate we can find. relentlessly calling their offices, faxing them, emailing them, sending them mail voicing our complaints.
and this is not about insisting that sanders win, but that the process be corrected, that it be a fair representation of the will of the people!!
contact your state party leaders and hold their feet to the fire.
get serious about this, folks. so here is a list of the super delegates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
save 432 of them! each state has a party chair and deputy, so that leaves 332 whose names are??? how do we get those?
you know, the HRC folks here are so glib about presenting the delegate rules here, without a hint of irony that this process flies in the face of democracy!
nor do they appear to have a clue why we're subjected to this draconian nonsense in the first place. it happened after mcgovern won the nomination in 72, and the DNC was so pissed that an anti-war candidate could do that, they actually deflated all support for him. they whine that they don't want to see another loss like 72, when it was their abandonment of their own candidate that lost in every state but MA!!
this entire moment is about taking our democracy back, folks, and it starts with taking back our party!!! the party of FDR!!!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Right here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016#List
It looks really bad.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)"Let's have an election folks! And ignore the results if we don't like them! We rely 100% on the loyalty of the Super delegates!"
am i the only one here who has been blocked from the HRC group? i just tried to respond to someone who commented here from that group, and was blocked from even doing that.
what is this nonsense?? i don't even have a clue why i was blocked. guilty, can't contact accuser.
what a thin-skinned bunch of prissy entitled wimps.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Quite a bit of that going around.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Welcome to the club
jillan
(39,451 posts)Have an H in their avatar
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The very name "Democratic" will have become a farce.
stage left
(2,962 posts)tweeted and facebooked.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)You guys are up next. Get it done!
stage left
(2,962 posts)And we're working on it. When I was there last the Bernie office in Greenville was a hive of activity. Lots of door knockers and phonebankers--white, black, and Hispanic---all working together.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...I would be praying for it to smite the computer of anyone who wrings their hands over completely irrelevant super delegates right about now.
dae
(3,396 posts)Party needs to fear the word "primary" like the GOP does.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)(I do. It's the DNC wanting to help Hillary...)
Superdelegates can change their vote. Hillary found that out in 2008.
They did not include superdelegates in their delegate tallies in 2008.
Doing so gives the impression of a rigged system and the voters result is cheated.
What is the point in pissing people off? Is helping Hillary worth that?
Another stupid moment brought to us by DWS.
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)brought to you by the smart people of the party leadership. There is a hearty bill to pay for leaving this stark impression on the nation for the upcoming primaries. It is caused, not just by a normal grubbing for delegates by hook or crook but by the terror the party establishment has toward a Sanders candidacy or- horrors- a win in the fall- or double horrors- sweeping in over the years a progressive Democratic majority. They would rather lose the election in the fall. Despite their rational hopes for getting by with Clinton, they likely will fail. Double barrel rage. One from tea party GOP crazies and the other from a massive chunk of Democrats can easily doom common sense or "long term" interests.
No one in the nation really gets the quirks of state primaries it is useless trying to explain or defend them and change that initial impression. And what the impression is is that voters don't matter and one campaign, the supposed frontrunner, has cheated twice. I know that is is not exactly true or against the rules, but the emotional impact on the electorate is inerasable. In the end the candidate herself is responsible, but by the end of the year she might blaming a set of two-headed coins and loyal NH party bosses for screwing her sure thing.
Far from crushing the spirit and squelching the delegate count this is likely to create more steam for Sanders. It might even make momentum for an easier and quicker path to victory so stark the contrast, so electric the atmosphere..
Lost in recent reporting is the bogus track record of media polling so handily discredited by actual voters, results still readily denied by superdelegates who will find themselves in the minority of fakes and quacks who would rule America to its ruin and the world's.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Sanders if we win.
Losers lose, as Donald Chump says. If we win, we win. If anyone steals this election the Chump wins.
How hard is that to figure out?
Well, maybe for the HRC campaign it would be hard.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)I think at this point it's too early to worry about the superdelegates. They are in no way locked in, they can change before the convention.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
didn't need to court any Democratic establishment. They are the Democratic Establishment.
The corporations they are beholden toand belong toand who they socialize with and who pays them speaker's fees, really only care about their continued power and the people be damned.
Damned by distractions, like the word "socialism".
I join you in your fury.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)his supporters.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)All you are doing is giving people a reason to stay away from the polls due to disgust.
This does NOT help us one bit.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)they will fail to even try.
Pretty simple imho.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)But sometimes I wonder, based on what I read in here in particular.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)The only way around this anti-American, anti-democratic crap is to get the vote out - huge!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Clinton and Sanders split the democratic vote. Indies gave the win to Sanders. Why don't you whine about those outsiders affecting the outcome? At least superdelegates ARE democrats, elected democrats, who have been vetted by democratic voters. Indies could be damn near anybody trying to game our primary.
But so long as they game it for your guy, it's ok.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and other Fascist Oligarchs.
Bernie is taking the party back to FDR and JFK. We have a party owned by the Oligarchy already. we don't need two.
Secondly I don't consider Hillary a Democrat. She's still a Goldwater Girl. a disenfranchised Centrist Republican
Persondem
(1,936 posts)are operating on, then you have zero credibility. C'ya.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)man you haven't been paying attention
SHe's a creature of wall street - not a champion of the People - and that's not going to change
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)just like they rigged the economy. Money doesn't talk, it screams obscenities.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Thank You
dchill
(38,502 posts)Is millions of voters donating millions of dollars - seemingly every day. Eventually, that'll do.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)Yet people are just now getting upset about it?
It's common knowledge.
On edit: I do NOT proclaim who I'm for. The reason: If I say I'm for candidate A, I'll get attacked by backers of candidate B. If I say I'm for candidate B, I'll get attacked by backers of candidate A. I want to stay out and away from that. I know who I'm for. It's my vote, and it's private.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)shadowrider
(4,941 posts)however, it seems people only speak up when things go against them, not when the rule, which they agree with, but (which can be used against them), is enacted.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Chezboo
(230 posts)...Make no mistake: Thats the point of this kind of messaging. To discourage, dismay, and dishearten, in the wake of something that should feel really positive for Sanders supporters. Reality check: The system is bigger than you, and you cant change it, so go home... Are they (super delegates) even relevant to the primary race? Barely. Certainly not now, and probably not ever. Are these messages deceptive, even subtly? Yes. Absolutely. And theyre propagated by people who are withholding the full story in the hopes that people like you and me are too stupid and complacent to find out on our own..... Super-delegates can change their votes.
After Sanders' Big Win in New Hampshire, Establishment Figures Want to Scare You with Super-delegates. Here's Why It's Bullshit
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/after-sanders-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Thanks for posting this!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Here me loud and clear, because I'm going to be on the phone next... The FUCKING DLC does NOT take away MY ability to participate in a democracy.
You as asking for a whole lot of trouble.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . because the "rules" allow it.
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EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)As has been said in every one of these, the super delegates aren't pledged and can switch their vote. Which ever candidate gets the most delegates out of the primaries/caucuses will be the nominee. Period.
And the rules around super delegates were announced well ahead of time. I can't imagine why this is seeming to come as some sort of surprise to people. This exact same line of nonsense was put forward by some in 2008 and it was just as stupid then.
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Whether it is right or not not sure. Perhaps it should be looked at more.....
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Bernie has come from 40 points a down to about even nationally, he is finally getting some National TV, there are so many of us tired of rigged elections.
People doubted he would get where he is now, they can keep doubting him and the movement behind him, at their own peril. There are tens of millions of us tired of a rigged system.
Feel the Bern!
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)in a general election when voters may vote for whomever they wish?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)They are generally party insiders/officeholders, so very much the establishment. Obama went out and won on the ground, just like Bernie is now. Much prefer the guy who worked for it than someone anointed. Expect them to only be a significant factor if the voted delegate counts are close. If they negate a clear Sanders lead, there will be a real revolution in the party and a likely loss to the GOP.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They vote as they choose. They can, and do, change their minds. None of them are "pledged" to any candidate. Only those delegates selected according to the primary votes are pledged. They are the only pledged delegates.
Some of the unpledged delegates have stated their support for Clinton. Others have stated their support for Sanders. Any of them can change their vote at any time. If you want them to change their vote, contact them and try to convince them to do that.
Want to know who they are? Go here and click the link for your state. Scroll down and you'll see who they are:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D
jimmydwight
(41 posts)Seems that every time you turn around, something is rigged. I saw this first hand at a street carnival when I was a kid. Now I see it in every day life. So sad. What a greedy world we live in.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)It didn't work for Hillary in 2008, and it's not going to work now.
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PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)circa 2000 Al Gore wins by big margins popular vote but Bush gets to be president because the Supreme Court has selected him to be such. It would destroy the DNC like the GOP was after the selection