2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe gaping hole at the heart of Hillary Clinton’s campaign
A good read.
Paul Wldman, The American Prospect, published in WaPo
"But right now, the Clinton campaign has a much bigger problem than the story it wants to tell about New Hampshire. That problem is this: the campaign has no story to tell the voters about Hillary Clinton and why she should be president.
Having a good story doesnt guarantee you victory, but nobody becomes president without one. The story has to contain three simple elements. First, it explains what the problem is. Second, it explains what the solution is. And third, it explains why this candidate, and only this candidate, is the person who can bring the country from where it is now to where it ought to be.
As Greg discussed this morning, both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have very simple messages that are resonating with substantial parts of the base voters in each ones party. Trump says that America is being played for chumps, and only a fantastic, luxurious individual like him can make us win again. Sanders says that the political system is corrupted by the influence of the wealthy and corporations, and a revolution delivered by an unsullied figure like him is necessary to break their stranglehold on our politics. Anyone who has paid attention to the campaign for five minutes understands what those messages are, whether you agree with either one of them or not.
Now tell me: whats Hillary Clintons message?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/02/10/the-gaping-hole-at-the-heart-of-hillary-clintons-campaign/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Nothing more and nothing less.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)The last sane republican I can recall off the top of my head.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)probably thanking his stars he decided to sit 2016 out). I keep expecting to hear that Huntsman is switching to the Democratic Party, but so far no word of it.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)We were quite surprised when we lost the race once again to get a pleasant and reasonable person in the office, and things moderated significantly while he was here. When he left for the ambassadorship...well, that wasn't so pleasant to have his running mate instead.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)"I'm a woman, so it's my turn you ingrates! Oh, and 9-11."
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)...for things that aren't too hard!"
jillan
(39,451 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Ridiculous, perhaps, but that really is all they have.
GoneOffShore
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)and then things will really suck. So lets not rock the boat. It could be worse, you could have Trump"
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Of course I won't be able to either, but at least I'm not going to even try, so they won't be mad at me."
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)That is not proving yet to be as galvanizing as her campaign had thought. It really doesn't stand for anything, either, in a larger sense.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)"What do we want? Incremental change!"
"When do we want it? In due course!"
I forgot who posted it, my apology. But it was a classic worth reposting.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)dchill
(38,501 posts)The cry of the Hillarites.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)equality for women and other groups, but she is not alone in that. She uses the pronoun "I" a lot. She assures us she knows how to get things done, like break up big banks. That's not even her idea. What's left? Gender. That didn't work in NH at all. Not much left.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The world is burning up with climate change, The 1% are running amok, most of the population are being turned into debt serfs, holy war in the making, police brutality/murders running unabated...and in Team Hillary's world, we just need to do a little tweaking here and there and everything will be perfect.
jham123
(278 posts)...I didn't lie about that, or that or even that thing over there....no....not true, I didn't lie...
Then she spends 30 minutes repeating most of Bernie's talking points and tries to make them sound like her own
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)to carry on the Obama legacy. I guess the problem is that said legacy is a mixed blessing for the electorate this year. Anyone who participated in Occupy could have predicted this. I hope that President Obama does not see the NH results as any kind of repudiation of his legacy. Senator Sanders wants to preserve and build upon that legacy in more muscular terms than Hillary does.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)If you can't write your idea on the back of my business card, you don't have a clear idea.
And that is exactly what Hillary's problem is. She gets up and says all these warm and wonderful things that have been carefully crafted and run past multiple focus groups, but if someone asks you to sum up what she said in 15 words or less, you can't do it.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)crap she talked about last year. Lots of small initiatives that were progressive enough but wouldn't offend anybody toward the middle of the political spectrum while making her look suitably policy-wonkish--and she would safely ride that, and name recognition/resume, and Clinton 90's nostalgia, and inheritor of all good things Obama, into the job. People just aren't having it so far this year. Too much has shifted under her feet.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... which is the other big problem with her messaging.
Hillary has been of both sides of almost every progressive issue.
She is a politician of personal ambition; she is not a 'cause' politician.
So, she has been on whatever side on an issue would help her at any given time.
She can be against gay marriage, then for it.
For TPP, then against TPP.
For the Iraq War, then sorry for the Iraq War.
Against Citizens United, but using it to raise millions of dollars.
It goes on and on and on for her.
And there is no way to fix this messaging problem ... she is what she is.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I was trying, the other day, to think of a "redemption" ("sack cloth & ashes" scenario for Hillary Clinton. Give back her Goldman Sachs, et al, millions, or at least promise to take no more, shut down the super-pacs and beg for our small donations. Say "Bill threw me off balance" (every woman will understand this!) and made her go wrong on all the Shafta "free trade for the rich" laws that have shafted women more than anyone else (women here, who make 75 cents on the dollar compared to men, and women in sweatshops worldwide who make 75 cents an hour or even A DAY) but have basically shafted everybody everywhere who wasn't already wealthy. Apologize to African Americans for taking their votes for granted while doing absolutely nothing about racism, police militarism and murder, mass incarceration of African Americans and severe economic hardship in African American communities. Bill made her wrong on the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" and wrong on flimsy Wall Street 'reform.' Made her wrong on vicious, Reaganite 'welfare reform.' Etc. She now sees the light. She is now not only a new woman, independent of Bill, but also is a born-again New Dealer, and will fight tooth and nail for Bernie's agenda: expanding Social Security, Medicare for all, free tuition at public colleges, etc. AND get down on her knees, in sack cloth & ashes, and beg us--beg us!--to forgive her for her Iraq War vote. Tell us truly why she made that horribly wrong vote--her ambition--and apologize for it; say ambition isn't everything, even for glass-ceilinged women! AND--one more thing--cry, cry as a mother for Mother Earth, and promise that, with all our help, we can save Her, for our children, for our grandchildren and the future of humanity.
She could beat Bernie if she did this. HE might even vote for her! She could win the GE in a landslide and take Congress as well. Stranger things have happened, in history and in American politics. But I don't think she has the imagination to do it. She is what she is, as you say--in my opinion, a woman shaped by, and distorted by, her husband's rise to power; and then adopted by the 1% who have profited so egregiously from his policies, compounded 1,000x by Bush-Cheney policies, because they want those policies TO CONTINUE, and they think putting a Clinton in the White House will do that. She is not her own woman in many ways. She can't see what her ambition has done to her. She just can't see it. Nor can she see the rest of us, women and men, who are being impoverished, sent to unjust war, cast out of our homes, thrown in jail for nothing, working our behinds off (greatest labor productivity in the world) for nothing, or getting a college education at the cost of lifelong onerous debt. She can't imagine a different better society. She is of THIS battered, looting and looted society, and can't see it, or herself, as changeable.
Your list of Clinton's contradictory positions is reflective of her personality, which is all too capable of changing policies with the wind, but not capable of a genuine change of heart and mind.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... is that it is likely to be just another phase of trying to get right politically with an issue for her advantage now.
So, you just can't trust her.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)She has a proven track record of poor judgment.
She campaigned and endorsed all of her husband destructive policies.
LW1977
(1,235 posts)Our supreme court depends on it!!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Hillary doesn't have a story to tell because the party doesn't have a story to tell.
Ino
(3,366 posts)"I sucked up all the money, endorsements, and superdelegates. I don't need no stinkin message!"
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CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)frylock
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musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)By definition a turnout that makes Bernie POTUS gives us the senate and gets us real close to taking the house, which we would do for sure in 2018 ........because Bernie will keep his base mobilized, hyper mobilized, and bully pulpit to boot, and negotiate starting from the far left-- unlike Obama. Obama's GOP lite third term is what liberals and indies reject with a vengeance. Census 2020 will be real millenial friendly
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)unicorns and rainbows are the baseline of that thinking. People will get off their death bed to vote against her but not so much with bernie. they may bitch socialist but they don't hate him the singular way they do her.
Gary 50
(381 posts)I'm glad you got unicorns in there first thing. All of us Bernie supporters are waiting for the herds of unicorns which will bring us candy and eternal life while stomping out what remains of the Republican party. Yes, magical thinking is our thing, not yours. It's not magical at all for Hillary to accept $675,000 in bribes (oops I mean fees) and not be influenced by said bribes (fees). Golden Sacks expects nothing in return and we should be ashamed of ourselves for thinking otherwise. After all she did tell them ????? Guess we will never know. She will release her transcripts when EVERYONE else does. Wow, that's a tough hurdle to get over. It's almost like she says one thing to the one percent and another to the peons. Is Mitt one of her advisers?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)That's really what you're suggesting. It's what Hillary's campaign is about. Why try, right? Aim for the ground! Beg for scraps! Don't do big things!
If you're opponents position is insane, you need someone to balance that on the other side. You don't balance the far right from the middle. That was Obama's mistake. He gave up the goal before he even got anything for it.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)japple
(9,828 posts)connect with her at all. If she has a heart, she won't let anyone see it.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)More's the pity- she could have had it easily had she kept her soul and her ideals...but she might have ended up like Carter rather than being firmly in the 1%
840high
(17,196 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)"You know me"
"I'm ready to represent you, and fix things"
Too many young voters who don't know her, and too many older voters/former supporters who are aghast at the loot her family has raked in. Not saying she deserves that reaction, I'm saying that's part of the reality that brought in the results from NH. The support of young voters, and Independents, for Sanders wasn't predicted by her campaign. That's another issue that needs to be explored.
She hasn't talked directly enough to a lot of the kinds of people she wants to represent. And the things she wants to fix seemingly excludes some things that lots of voters want fixed.
So her message is failing. Her campaign doesn't seem to have the error correction capability needed for a hotly contested primary. Maybe the next incarnation of it will, or maybe the redesign will be purposed well enough not to need it. But it's a very risky gamble to count on that.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I think her problem is just the opposite- she wants to represent the 1%, not the little people. She needs our tacit support, but that's all she wants from the rest of us. "Just your votes, don't expect anything back...unless it's via trickle down!"
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)and that should easily have been enough to carry her through the primaries, with nothing more than token opposition. Our party is pretty good at GOTV, and the party was geared for Clinton to have a cakewalk. It's not like there aren't other people with great qualifications, like those of Governor O'Malley. It's just that there was no air left in the room. The room in question being the one our establishment, and our generous donors, lives in. I'm not knocking that we have an establishment. And I'm grateful for wealthy Democrats who open their wallets. Most get nothing in return beyond getting their picture taken.
This not being a dictatorship though, someone like Senator Sanders does have the opportunity to speak directly to the people. And so here we are, feeling the bern.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think the Boomeratti haven't really soaked up that fact yet.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I remember reading the question once of, "If gorillas could dream of a better gorilla, what would that gorilla be like?". The point being that we're all blinded by what we know.
Gorillas "know" that bigger muscles and bigger teeth are what determines success. That, and more aggression, more dominance of others. (Not like those puny hairless aberrations)
Secretary Clinton has had the time, money, experience, and political savvy, to conceive and implement one giant gorilla of a campaign. (Hey, what's that hairless little biped coming my way for? RRROAR!!!)
lol
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Hillary Pitches Herself as the Best Change-Maker:
Tue Feb 09 2016 15:13:36 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
What is the best way to change peoples lives so we can all grow together? she said. Who is the best change-maker?
You are! people in the audience shouted.
http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/in-concession-speech-hillary-clinton-pitches-herself-as-the-best-change-maker
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)1.) The problem: No woman has ever been President
2.) The solution: Pantsuits!
3.) The vital ingredient only Clinton brings: Two X chromosomes!!!
Profit!!
The issue is... many of us don't really see #1 listed above as the main problem in our lives.
Nah...
Corporate corruption and greed
Criminal campaign finance system
Perpetual War
Skyrocketing wealth inequality
Systemic institutionalized racism
Stagnant wages
Outmigration of jobs
etc...
etc...
etc...
.... are probably more pressing issues.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)... she wants to be president.
And that's it.