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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:39 PM Feb 2016

The New Yorker: The Clintons Have Lost the Working Class

Why can’t Hillary Clinton’s campaign get going? By most conventional measures, she had a pretty good week in New Hampshire: a commanding performance in Thursday night’s debate, an emotive one in Wednesday night’s televised town hall. But the scale of her loss to Bernie Sanders was striking, and its shape was revealing. Clinton lost among young voters by nearly 6–1, and among independents by 3–1. Most arrestingly, Sanders won voters with an income of less than fifty thousand dollars by 2–1. There’s a lot of talk about Clinton’s campaign repeating the chaos and errors of 2008, but that year she had the white working-class vote. Clinton’s candidacy looks narrower than ever, more confined to those whose experience of life approximates her own. Last night, in New Hampshire, the rare demographic group she won was those with incomes of more than two hundred thousand dollars a year. For now, at least, Clinton has become the wine-track candidate.

During this long New Hampshire week, the Clinton campaign was a mash-up of Democratic Parties past and present. Bill Clinton, once the Party’s great channeller of working-class pain, surfaced, gaunt and joyless and wearing lumberjack red plaid. But his speech on Sunday had little of the old empathy; it was just a nasty blast at Sanders, whom the ex-President called “hermetically sealed” from reality. Careening across southeastern New Hampshire yesterday, I noticed that the polling places were thick with Clinton signs, many advertising her endorsement by a plumbers’ and pipe fitters’ union. At Oyster River High School, in Durham, near the University of New Hampshire, some of the union men were out in person. The institutional Party—the unions, the elected officials—was doing what it could for her. It didn’t seem to make much difference. Heading in to vote, past the union men, was a steady stream of state-school students.

Like everything else in New Hampshire, the working class here is distinct: less diverse than in the rest of the country, and less organized. Certainly, Clinton’s strong support from political organizations in minority communities will help in other states, though black and Latino Americans have, on the whole, grown more receptive to radical perspectives, not less. Perhaps more striking, union organizers have already been expressing worry about sympathy for the Trump campaign within their ranks. Those organizers themselves are likely to be sympathetic to Sanders, whose politics more closely match their own. Perhaps residual working-class loyalties, and her own strengths, will be enough to carry Clinton through the primaries. But the enthusiasm for her candidacy increasingly seems concentrated among affluent, older voters who are already committed members of the Democratic Party. That is not the most promising platform from which to begin a general-election campaign in any year, and especially not in a vigorously populist one.

“I know I have some work to do, particularly among young people,” Clinton said last night. Others have emphasized the large margins that Sanders has won among young women. But, in Iowa and New Hampshire, the trouble seemed broader than that: it ran through all of those people who have not yet made it. During the nineteen-nineties, the Clinton coalition ran along aspirational lines, drawing a hard line between virtuous workers and welfare recipients, and between hard-working professionals and capitalists, to summon the upwardly mobile. But the revelations of inequality have meant that aspirational talk has fallen flat, and the experience of 2008 has fractured faith in established leaders to fix it. This primary was held in a white and comparatively wealthy state in a generally prosperous time. Compare Sanders’s winning speeches to Clinton’s losing ones this week, and it appears that middle-class voters are simply more willing to see themselves as stuck in place than they have been for a very long time. That aspirational vein is hard to find.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/the-clintons-lose-the-working-class

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The New Yorker: The Clintons Have Lost the Working Class (Original Post) IDemo Feb 2016 OP
Bears repeating: dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #1
And the jobs sent to China Red Oak Feb 2016 #6
Good find! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #10
My wife's Punx Feb 2016 #34
Worst. Campaign. Ever. frylock Feb 2016 #20
If Hillary supporters think the Republicans will have a field day with Bernie and socialism, what A Simple Game Feb 2016 #23
Geez, for all the fun Trump had Kall Feb 2016 #41
It's hard to out-empathy the Bern, when it comes to working-class concerns. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #2
Good article. She is a general election disaster cali Feb 2016 #3
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #4
A bit of projection methinks.. calling Bernie the one "hermetically sealed from reality". DiehardLiberal Feb 2016 #5
I think Chelsea is their connection to the rest of the world. Chelsea Mezvinsky TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #16
That would explain a few things. avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #31
And roughs it in a $10.5 million, 5,000 sq. ft. "apartment" Divernan Feb 2016 #38
In 2008, Hillary demonstrated that she had no earthly idea WHO the "Middle Class" was, bvar22 Feb 2016 #60
Bernie Is Really Not So Out There colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #7
Well said marions ghost Feb 2016 #8
Very important. H2O Man Feb 2016 #9
K&R Mbrow Feb 2016 #11
half the voters now will be minority in next 48 primaries captainarizona Feb 2016 #12
Hogwash. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #29
Never forget option 3, Hillary closes with minority voters like she just did with young women Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #42
after shooting it in the back, it's about time ... MisterP Feb 2016 #13
When i heard she had planned to meet with Bain Capital that was it for me. jalan48 Feb 2016 #14
She's getting funding from the people Lordquinton Feb 2016 #37
Bill "gaunt & joyless" takin a nasty blast at Sanders. Divernan Feb 2016 #15
I think she only has a Bankster/Wall Stree advantage. SoapBox Feb 2016 #19
A brand spanking new red plaid shirt. I am surprised there wasn't a tag still on it. I have never LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #24
I think most of us view her as a carpetbagger dorkzilla Feb 2016 #30
Like The New York Review of Books, The New Yorker has a diverse perspective JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #49
Believe it or not, the Establishment often gets in touch with realities through The New Yorker. ancianita Feb 2016 #51
Hillary said that "middle class" is $250,000! SoapBox Feb 2016 #17
$250,000 is the same thing that GHWB said once : LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #25
I heard her described as "Romney in a pants suit". Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #40
Still voting Blue no matter who! LW1977 Feb 2016 #18
Cool story bro Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #26
Clean it of what, pray tell? nt dorkzilla Feb 2016 #32
"My Party, right or wrong." [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #48
What moderators? JHB Feb 2016 #50
Good god! She's fundraising in Mexico City Divernan Feb 2016 #21
Carlos Slim is a billlionaire from MC and gave milllions to the Clinton Foundation; he bailed out th amborin Feb 2016 #56
This is Mitt Romney 2.0 Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2016 #22
No duh. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #27
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #28
Logical Consequence Punx Feb 2016 #33
It's why I think the Southern states may not be as much out of Sanders reach Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #35
Maybe. But I've lived there, and their "fear of the red" is almost as strong as their prejudices. ancianita Feb 2016 #52
Clinton appeals to Reagan Dems by saying she's just like Reagan MisterP Feb 2016 #58
Ouch! Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #36
Good article, but the writer could have taken it a bit further, imo Babel_17 Feb 2016 #39
That leaves Hillary with the neocons and the Rockefeller Republican refugees from the GOP leveymg Feb 2016 #43
They didn't lose a damn thing. They used them and threw them in the trash. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2016 #44
She thinks people won't remember stuff like her vote on the credit bill and the Iraq war tabasco Feb 2016 #45
NAFTA. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #46
K&R CentralMass Feb 2016 #47
My eighty year-old mom is voting for Sanders. Kurovski Feb 2016 #53
Mrs. Hillary Clinton would have it made, had she helped ensure that there were a lot more of us in truedelphi Feb 2016 #54
K&R no one can win the GE without them amborin Feb 2016 #55
It isn't just the Clintons. It's the whole pro-corporate "New" Dem-- eridani Feb 2016 #57
K&R liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #59
Missed this earlier... thanks for posting. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2016 #61

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. Bears repeating:
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016
Last night, in New Hampshire, the rare demographic group she won was those with incomes of more than two hundred thousand dollars a year.

Plus:

Clinton Campaign to Host Fundraisers in Mexico

The campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is set to hold fundraisers in Mexico on Wednesday.

The former secretary of state will not herself take part in the two events, which are slated to be held in Mexico City one day after the New Hampshire primary vote, The Hill reported Tuesday.

Her campaign treasurer, Jose Villarreal, will instead host the events.

Ivan Zapien, a Wal-Mart lobbyist who relocated to Mexico along with the company in 2015, will also be present to co-host the fundraising dinner.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511190529

Her campaign is going to Mexico to raise money from the companies that her husband's Presidency SENT to Mexico via NAFTA.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
6. And the jobs sent to China
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton, with Hillary actively supporting it, got China into the World Trade Organization and permanent normal trade relations. This led to wholesale decimation of U.S. manufacturing for the sake of corporate profits.




Punx

(446 posts)
34. My wife's
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

Is one of those jobs sent to China. And yes, she's a woman and won't be voting for Hillary in the primary.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
23. If Hillary supporters think the Republicans will have a field day with Bernie and socialism, what
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

do they think the Republicans, especially Trump, will do with her fundraising in Mexico?

Kall

(615 posts)
41. Geez, for all the fun Trump had
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

with Ted Cruz for a *loan* from Goldman Sachs, what would he do to Hillary for $225,000 one-hour speeches to them? Can some people really not see that coming? For all his nonsense, his argument that Washington is bought and paid for has resonance.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. It's hard to out-empathy the Bern, when it comes to working-class concerns.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Bill was pretty talented with his I'm-one-of-you-guys Bubba shtick, back when, but we're in a whole new era.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Good article. She is a general election disaster
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

And the author is one of the very few to even hint that she will have big problems in the general.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
5. A bit of projection methinks.. calling Bernie the one "hermetically sealed from reality".
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

The Clintons are the ones in a bubble. They have no clue about what our lives are like.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
16. I think Chelsea is their connection to the rest of the world. Chelsea Mezvinsky
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

the Hedge Fund Spouse who is friends with Donald Trump's daughter.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
38. And roughs it in a $10.5 million, 5,000 sq. ft. "apartment"
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016
The four-bedroom, five-and-a-half bath spread is on the second floor and features oak floors, Italian marble bathrooms and elevator access.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/real-estate/chelsea-clinton-buys-10-5-million-article-1.12887100

And it's so hard to find good help these days - a housekeeper/cook, a maid, a nanny - it's exhausting!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
60. In 2008, Hillary demonstrated that she had no earthly idea WHO the "Middle Class" was,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

though she claimed to represent them.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
7. Bernie Is Really Not So Out There
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

Thom Hartmann just nailed it, a lot of what Bernie is proposing is not the that different from what we had from FDR through Gerald Ford.

The top marginal individual tax rate under republican Dwight Eisenhower was over 90% all eight year he was in office. How do people think we built the Interstate Freeway System?

B actor Ronald Reagan slashed it way down, vilified Government and since then...inequality has gradually gotten worse, we spend way, way more on defense that needed, and all our infrastructure is crumbling. Thanks Ronnie, Milton Freidman, and Ayn Rand.

Time to take this country back, feel the Bern!

 

captainarizona

(363 posts)
12. half the voters now will be minority in next 48 primaries
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

I got blocked from bernie blog for saying bernie will have to do a better job appealing to minority vote.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. Hogwash.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

Blacks and Latinos are important constituencies, but they aren't half the voters in the remaining 48 states.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
42. Never forget option 3, Hillary closes with minority voters like she just did with young women
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

last minute message mishaps and out of touch surrogates doing all of Bernie's work for him? What if it's actually Hillary who needs to do a better job? I hear Bernie's doing well in Arizona, captain. What about that?

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
14. When i heard she had planned to meet with Bain Capital that was it for me.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

Money from vulture capitalists so she can do what exactly for working men and women?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
37. She's getting funding from the people
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

after it has been harvested by hedge fund managers...

(just in case >&gt

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
15. Bill "gaunt & joyless" takin a nasty blast at Sanders.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016


Bill Clinton, once the Party’s great channeller of working-class pain, surfaced, gaunt and joyless and wearing lumberjack red plaid. But his speech on Sunday had little of the old empathy; it was just a nasty blast at Sanders, whom the ex-President called “hermetically sealed” from reality.

Clinton’s candidacy looks narrower than ever, more confined to those whose experience of life approximates her own. Last night, in New Hampshire, the rare demographic group she won was those with incomes of more than two hundred thousand dollars a year. For now, at least, Clinton has become the wine-track candidate.

The irony for Hillary Clinton is that she needs some of Bill’s voters, the beer track. But the solution probably isn’t Bill’s politics, and it probably isn’t Bill himself, either.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/the-clintons-lose-the-working-class

NOTE: This is from The New Yorker magazine. I thought Hill was supposed to have a home state advanatage in NY.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
19. I think she only has a Bankster/Wall Stree advantage.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

Big money and big power...the "wine track" crowd.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
24. A brand spanking new red plaid shirt. I am surprised there wasn't a tag still on it. I have never
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

seen a plaid shirt with cuffs and collar that looked starched.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. I think most of us view her as a carpetbagger
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

Besides, she hasn’t spent much time around here (Westchester County...I live in the next town over from her) and she doesn’t have any real ties here. Bill spends a good amount of time in the area (I see him from time to time and actually had a nice conversation with him once at a local park. He was running and I was walking my gorgeous and now sadly gone Great Dane/Lab mix and he stopped to admire my pup). I will tell you, as I have posted before, that this area is FULL of cars with Bernie stickers and every Friday night there is a dedicated team who gathers at the Chappaqua train station (her “hometown”) to campaign for Bernie and hand out literature. I’ve literally not seen ONE Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt or lawn sign. Not even in Chappaqua.

Our NY volunteers just submitted 85,000 signatures to Albany to get Bernie on the ballot. It’s by no means a shoe-in, but if we’re going to be pedantic, Bernie has more of a home field advantage, at least in the NY metro area which is by far the most populous, and especially as so many of us who do not now live in NYC (Westchester and Long Island) were born in NYC (yours truly included)

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
49. Like The New York Review of Books, The New Yorker has a diverse perspective
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

It is emphatically not a New York paper, such as the New York Magazine.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
51. Believe it or not, the Establishment often gets in touch with realities through The New Yorker.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

Younger and younger writers are on its staff. It's not one of the oldest magazines in America because it's relevant only to the $200,000+ class.

This article appears online but does not appear in its print addition. The New Yorker either perceives that online audience as different from its paper edition audience, or it's trying to stay current with fast moving events before the next edition comes out on February 22.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
25. $250,000 is the same thing that GHWB said once :
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

"I want to help those poor people, the destitute making less than $250,000 a year" I think the next week his poll numbers dropped like a rock and Clinton won.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
50. What moderators?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

DU hasn't used mods since it switched from DU2 to DU3. That was, oh, December 2011 or so.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
21. Good god! She's fundraising in Mexico City
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

First the Clintons outsource the jobs to Mexico, then they follow up with fund-raising from Walmart lobbyists/executives there?

Bill wants to crack wise about Bernie being in a hermetically sealed bubble? Well Mexico City is so thick with air pollution, Hillary should borrow Bernie's alleged bubble for her fund raiser there.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
56. Carlos Slim is a billlionaire from MC and gave milllions to the Clinton Foundation; he bailed out th
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:21 AM
Feb 2016

NY Times, too, which partially explains their shilling for Hill

otherwise, maybe she thinks the optics make it look as if she's pro-Latino/a?

(even tho she voted for the border wall many times and wants to keep "illegal immigrants" out)

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
22. This is Mitt Romney 2.0
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

Like Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton has spent her entire adult life surrounded by sycophants who reinforced daily that it was their destiny to be the President. That decoupled both of them from reality a very long time ago. So no matter whatever focus group tested buzzwords spewed forth from either of them all anyone hears is "Hello, My name is _____, I'm sure you have heard of me. I'm here to collect my birthright." The same sense of entitlement oozes from both of them.

Punx

(446 posts)
33. Logical Consequence
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

Of Third Way policies.

May have taken a couple of decades for it to become apparent, but it's there in my opinion.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
35. It's why I think the Southern states may not be as much out of Sanders reach
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

as the pundits like to believe.

If Bernie can expand his support from the African American community - which I think he will as he gets better known - plus picks up the blue-collar white voters who left the Democratic Party for either Republicans - or the Clintons - I think he can do very well. His economic policies are reaching people who had pretty much given up thinking their kitchen table issues would be addressed.

It will be interesting.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
52. Maybe. But I've lived there, and their "fear of the red" is almost as strong as their prejudices.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

We'll see just how much blue collar "commie-jew" fear can get stirred up if Bernie wins the nomination.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
58. Clinton appeals to Reagan Dems by saying she's just like Reagan
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders appeals to Reagan Dems by reminding them of what they were looking for in 1980, how they were wrong to kill the state goose that laid the golden eggs, and how to identify the rhetoric that targeted them so it won't happen again

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
39. Good article, but the writer could have taken it a bit further, imo
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016
This primary was held in a white and comparatively wealthy state in a generally prosperous time. Compare Sanders’s winning speeches to Clinton’s losing ones this week, and it appears that middle-class voters are simply more willing to see themselves as stuck in place than they have been for a very long time. That aspirational vein is hard to find.


It's more than just self interest, it's those in the middle class having become more sensitized to how the system is rigged, and the enormous downside to that. Many Sanders supporters are doing OK, but they feel an obligation to those who aren't OK, and to future Americans who will be living under the system we shape every time we vote.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. That leaves Hillary with the neocons and the Rockefeller Republican refugees from the GOP
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

Lots of money, not many boots to ring doorbells.

If she's forced upon us as nominee, there will be no volunteer GOTV as we've known it. Just a lot of TV ads and paid party hacks cutting walk sheets from the VAN but with not enough walkers.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
45. She thinks people won't remember stuff like her vote on the credit bill and the Iraq war
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

It seems her record is catching up to her.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
54. Mrs. Hillary Clinton would have it made, had she helped ensure that there were a lot more of us in
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

The $ 50K class of citizen.

Instead she has helped out every Big Financial Player that has boosted her speaking fees.

A bit of integrity would have helped her out a lot as well.

Mr Bernie Sanders has been a progressive his entire life, and there in lies the difference.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
57. It isn't just the Clintons. It's the whole pro-corporate "New" Dem--
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 06:05 AM
Feb 2016

--establishment which is responsible for that.

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