2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe New Yorker: The Clintons Have Lost the Working Class
Why cant Hillary Clintons campaign get going? By most conventional measures, she had a pretty good week in New Hampshire: a commanding performance in Thursday nights debate, an emotive one in Wednesday nights televised town hall. But the scale of her loss to Bernie Sanders was striking, and its shape was revealing. Clinton lost among young voters by nearly 61, and among independents by 31. Most arrestingly, Sanders won voters with an income of less than fifty thousand dollars by 21. Theres a lot of talk about Clintons campaign repeating the chaos and errors of 2008, but that year she had the white working-class vote. Clintons candidacy looks narrower than ever, more confined to those whose experience of life approximates her own. Last night, in New Hampshire, the rare demographic group she won was those with incomes of more than two hundred thousand dollars a year. For now, at least, Clinton has become the wine-track candidate.
During this long New Hampshire week, the Clinton campaign was a mash-up of Democratic Parties past and present. Bill Clinton, once the Partys great channeller of working-class pain, surfaced, gaunt and joyless and wearing lumberjack red plaid. But his speech on Sunday had little of the old empathy; it was just a nasty blast at Sanders, whom the ex-President called hermetically sealed from reality. Careening across southeastern New Hampshire yesterday, I noticed that the polling places were thick with Clinton signs, many advertising her endorsement by a plumbers and pipe fitters union. At Oyster River High School, in Durham, near the University of New Hampshire, some of the union men were out in person. The institutional Partythe unions, the elected officialswas doing what it could for her. It didnt seem to make much difference. Heading in to vote, past the union men, was a steady stream of state-school students.
Like everything else in New Hampshire, the working class here is distinct: less diverse than in the rest of the country, and less organized. Certainly, Clintons strong support from political organizations in minority communities will help in other states, though black and Latino Americans have, on the whole, grown more receptive to radical perspectives, not less. Perhaps more striking, union organizers have already been expressing worry about sympathy for the Trump campaign within their ranks. Those organizers themselves are likely to be sympathetic to Sanders, whose politics more closely match their own. Perhaps residual working-class loyalties, and her own strengths, will be enough to carry Clinton through the primaries. But the enthusiasm for her candidacy increasingly seems concentrated among affluent, older voters who are already committed members of the Democratic Party. That is not the most promising platform from which to begin a general-election campaign in any year, and especially not in a vigorously populist one.
I know I have some work to do, particularly among young people, Clinton said last night. Others have emphasized the large margins that Sanders has won among young women. But, in Iowa and New Hampshire, the trouble seemed broader than that: it ran through all of those people who have not yet made it. During the nineteen-nineties, the Clinton coalition ran along aspirational lines, drawing a hard line between virtuous workers and welfare recipients, and between hard-working professionals and capitalists, to summon the upwardly mobile. But the revelations of inequality have meant that aspirational talk has fallen flat, and the experience of 2008 has fractured faith in established leaders to fix it. This primary was held in a white and comparatively wealthy state in a generally prosperous time. Compare Sanderss winning speeches to Clintons losing ones this week, and it appears that middle-class voters are simply more willing to see themselves as stuck in place than they have been for a very long time. That aspirational vein is hard to find.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/the-clintons-lose-the-working-class
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Plus:
Clinton Campaign to Host Fundraisers in Mexico
The campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is set to hold fundraisers in Mexico on Wednesday.
The former secretary of state will not herself take part in the two events, which are slated to be held in Mexico City one day after the New Hampshire primary vote, The Hill reported Tuesday.
Her campaign treasurer, Jose Villarreal, will instead host the events.
Ivan Zapien, a Wal-Mart lobbyist who relocated to Mexico along with the company in 2015, will also be present to co-host the fundraising dinner.
Her campaign is going to Mexico to raise money from the companies that her husband's Presidency SENT to Mexico via NAFTA.
Red Oak
(697 posts)Bill Clinton, with Hillary actively supporting it, got China into the World Trade Organization and permanent normal trade relations. This led to wholesale decimation of U.S. manufacturing for the sake of corporate profits.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)So, I guess her team will be going to China next.
Is one of those jobs sent to China. And yes, she's a woman and won't be voting for Hillary in the primary.
frylock
(34,825 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)do they think the Republicans, especially Trump, will do with her fundraising in Mexico?
Kall
(615 posts)with Ted Cruz for a *loan* from Goldman Sachs, what would he do to Hillary for $225,000 one-hour speeches to them? Can some people really not see that coming? For all his nonsense, his argument that Washington is bought and paid for has resonance.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Bill was pretty talented with his I'm-one-of-you-guys Bubba shtick, back when, but we're in a whole new era.
cali
(114,904 posts)And the author is one of the very few to even hint that she will have big problems in the general.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)DiehardLiberal
(580 posts)The Clintons are the ones in a bubble. They have no clue about what our lives are like.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)the Hedge Fund Spouse who is friends with Donald Trump's daughter.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)The four-bedroom, five-and-a-half bath spread is on the second floor and features oak floors, Italian marble bathrooms and elevator access.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/real-estate/chelsea-clinton-buys-10-5-million-article-1.12887100
And it's so hard to find good help these days - a housekeeper/cook, a maid, a nanny - it's exhausting!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)though she claimed to represent them.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Thom Hartmann just nailed it, a lot of what Bernie is proposing is not the that different from what we had from FDR through Gerald Ford.
The top marginal individual tax rate under republican Dwight Eisenhower was over 90% all eight year he was in office. How do people think we built the Interstate Freeway System?
B actor Ronald Reagan slashed it way down, vilified Government and since then...inequality has gradually gotten worse, we spend way, way more on defense that needed, and all our infrastructure is crumbling. Thanks Ronnie, Milton Freidman, and Ayn Rand.
Time to take this country back, feel the Bern!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)H2O Man
(73,552 posts)Thank you for this.
Recommended.
and great finds by other repliers, The clintons lost the working class in the 90's with WTO.
captainarizona
(363 posts)I got blocked from bernie blog for saying bernie will have to do a better job appealing to minority vote.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Blacks and Latinos are important constituencies, but they aren't half the voters in the remaining 48 states.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)last minute message mishaps and out of touch surrogates doing all of Bernie's work for him? What if it's actually Hillary who needs to do a better job? I hear Bernie's doing well in Arizona, captain. What about that?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)Money from vulture capitalists so she can do what exactly for working men and women?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)after it has been harvested by hedge fund managers...
(just in case >>
Divernan
(15,480 posts)
Bill Clinton, once the Partys great channeller of working-class pain, surfaced, gaunt and joyless and wearing lumberjack red plaid. But his speech on Sunday had little of the old empathy; it was just a nasty blast at Sanders, whom the ex-President called hermetically sealed from reality.
Clintons candidacy looks narrower than ever, more confined to those whose experience of life approximates her own. Last night, in New Hampshire, the rare demographic group she won was those with incomes of more than two hundred thousand dollars a year. For now, at least, Clinton has become the wine-track candidate.
The irony for Hillary Clinton is that she needs some of Bills voters, the beer track. But the solution probably isnt Bills politics, and it probably isnt Bill himself, either.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/the-clintons-lose-the-working-class
NOTE: This is from The New Yorker magazine. I thought Hill was supposed to have a home state advanatage in NY.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Big money and big power...the "wine track" crowd.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)seen a plaid shirt with cuffs and collar that looked starched.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Besides, she hasnt spent much time around here (Westchester County...I live in the next town over from her) and she doesnt have any real ties here. Bill spends a good amount of time in the area (I see him from time to time and actually had a nice conversation with him once at a local park. He was running and I was walking my gorgeous and now sadly gone Great Dane/Lab mix and he stopped to admire my pup). I will tell you, as I have posted before, that this area is FULL of cars with Bernie stickers and every Friday night there is a dedicated team who gathers at the Chappaqua train station (her hometown) to campaign for Bernie and hand out literature. Ive literally not seen ONE Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt or lawn sign. Not even in Chappaqua.
Our NY volunteers just submitted 85,000 signatures to Albany to get Bernie on the ballot. Its by no means a shoe-in, but if were going to be pedantic, Bernie has more of a home field advantage, at least in the NY metro area which is by far the most populous, and especially as so many of us who do not now live in NYC (Westchester and Long Island) were born in NYC (yours truly included)
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It is emphatically not a New York paper, such as the New York Magazine.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)Younger and younger writers are on its staff. It's not one of the oldest magazines in America because it's relevant only to the $200,000+ class.
This article appears online but does not appear in its print addition. The New Yorker either perceives that online audience as different from its paper edition audience, or it's trying to stay current with fast moving events before the next edition comes out on February 22.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...she's in a bubble and out of touch.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)"I want to help those poor people, the destitute making less than $250,000 a year" I think the next week his poll numbers dropped like a rock and Clinton won.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)LW1977
(1,235 posts)Moderators need to clean house on the front page of DU!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)DU hasn't used mods since it switched from DU2 to DU3. That was, oh, December 2011 or so.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)First the Clintons outsource the jobs to Mexico, then they follow up with fund-raising from Walmart lobbyists/executives there?
Bill wants to crack wise about Bernie being in a hermetically sealed bubble? Well Mexico City is so thick with air pollution, Hillary should borrow Bernie's alleged bubble for her fund raiser there.
amborin
(16,631 posts)NY Times, too, which partially explains their shilling for Hill
otherwise, maybe she thinks the optics make it look as if she's pro-Latino/a?
(even tho she voted for the border wall many times and wants to keep "illegal immigrants" out)
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Like Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton has spent her entire adult life surrounded by sycophants who reinforced daily that it was their destiny to be the President. That decoupled both of them from reality a very long time ago. So no matter whatever focus group tested buzzwords spewed forth from either of them all anyone hears is "Hello, My name is _____, I'm sure you have heard of me. I'm here to collect my birthright." The same sense of entitlement oozes from both of them.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Punx
(446 posts)Of Third Way policies.
May have taken a couple of decades for it to become apparent, but it's there in my opinion.
Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)as the pundits like to believe.
If Bernie can expand his support from the African American community - which I think he will as he gets better known - plus picks up the blue-collar white voters who left the Democratic Party for either Republicans - or the Clintons - I think he can do very well. His economic policies are reaching people who had pretty much given up thinking their kitchen table issues would be addressed.
It will be interesting.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)We'll see just how much blue collar "commie-jew" fear can get stirred up if Bernie wins the nomination.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Sanders appeals to Reagan Dems by reminding them of what they were looking for in 1980, how they were wrong to kill the state goose that laid the golden eggs, and how to identify the rhetoric that targeted them so it won't happen again
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)This primary was held in a white and comparatively wealthy state in a generally prosperous time. Compare Sanderss winning speeches to Clintons losing ones this week, and it appears that middle-class voters are simply more willing to see themselves as stuck in place than they have been for a very long time. That aspirational vein is hard to find.
It's more than just self interest, it's those in the middle class having become more sensitized to how the system is rigged, and the enormous downside to that. Many Sanders supporters are doing OK, but they feel an obligation to those who aren't OK, and to future Americans who will be living under the system we shape every time we vote.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Lots of money, not many boots to ring doorbells.
If she's forced upon us as nominee, there will be no volunteer GOTV as we've known it. Just a lot of TV ads and paid party hacks cutting walk sheets from the VAN but with not enough walkers.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)It seems her record is catching up to her.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)She's a SEXIST!
(I'm only thirty, BTW.)
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The $ 50K class of citizen.
Instead she has helped out every Big Financial Player that has boosted her speaking fees.
A bit of integrity would have helped her out a lot as well.
Mr Bernie Sanders has been a progressive his entire life, and there in lies the difference.
amborin
(16,631 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)--establishment which is responsible for that.