Democrats Reject Bernie Sanders’ Plan To Raise Taxes

[Alfresco]

Democrats have moved quickly to distance themselves from the tax hikes Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has proposed to pay for his single-payer healthcare proposal.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on Wednesday, “We’re not running on any platform of raising taxes,” Pelosi said during a press briefing to launch the Democrats’ yearly issues conference in Baltimore, Md. “We do want to have a fairer tax system, and … we hope that we can do that this year.”

Sanders on Monday acknowledged that his “Medicare-for-all” healthcare plan would require tax hikes on the middle class.
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Pelosi, who was a crucial force in ushering the Affordable Care Act through Congress in 2009 and 2010, said she’s “proud” of the achievement, citing the millions of uninsured Americans who have gained access to health coverage under the law.

“It has achieved the goal of affordable, quality, accessible healthcare for many millions more Americans. It is lowering the cost of healthcare in our country,” she said.

Pelosi said the Democrats fought to ensure that the healthcare law included features that are “attractive about single-payer,” including provisions barring insurance companies from excluding patients based on pre-existing conditions or establishing lifetime limits on coverage. She conceded imperfections in the law and vowed to work on improvements.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/28/house-democrats-reject-bernie-sanders-plan-raise-taxes-pay-healthcare.html

[whatchamacallit]

1. I think you mean Plutocrats n/t

[Alfresco]

4. No, that is your definition. The article clearly states Democrats. :-)

[daleanime]

12. And because the article says it....

it must be true?

[Alfresco]

25. Yes, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is a Democrat. Are you missing something?

[whatchamacallit]

29. And a Plutocrat

[daleanime]

38. Well, I guess I didn't get the memo....

informing us that everything the author and Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) say is automatically correct. If you could just forwards that to me, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your help in this matter, sincerely Daleanime.

[Fawke Em]

81. So am I and I'll gladly pay hundreds more in taxes to save thousands by not

having to pay a private company for some access to healthcare.

[Katashi_itto]

41. Naw, their Plutocrats

[villager]

48. Oddly, it didn't seem so "rejected" by voters last night.

But, you know, they're not plutocratic "leaders."

[deutsey]

30. +1

[scscholar]

54. This! Pelosi is out of touch!

We must have broad-based tax raises to pay for what we need to spend. We just aren't taking enough money now to pay for everything.

[enid602]

106. funny

Funny. A few months ago, Bernie wasn't even a Dem. Now he's the only one.

[daleanime]

16. So you would rather spent much more on health care...

if that makes sense to you, have at it hoss.

[KingFlorez]

19. Thank you very much

I am so happy that you disapprove. Have a nice day.

[daleanime]

27. Disapprove, no....

not understand, yes. But feel free to mischaracterize me all you want if it makes you happy, sounds like you need it.

[KingFlorez]

46. I don't need anything

I just don't agree with this particular plan, because I think it's merely a transfer in insurance costs, not totally free health care.

I'm sorry I posted, though and I apologize for saying what I said. I wasn't intending to offend anyone, so I will delete the post.

[Fawke Em]

90. Transfer in insurance costs?

No, that's not what it is at all. In fact, it's not even about insurance.

It's about having access to healthcare without having to pay a middle man who tries everything he can to keep us for accessing that care, thus reducing their profit.

[bowens43]

3. time to primary the establishment candidates and toss them out on thier asses

Pelosi should be the first to go

[Alfresco]

7. The Republicans would love that.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. Not as much as they love the Democratic party abandoning the fair taxation platform.

[jeff47]

75. You really think Pelosi's D+34 district is in danger of falling to a Republican? (nt)

[Alfresco]

80. If you read post #3 carefully it is plural. No Nancy will leave on her terms.

[jeff47]

83. If you read last night's election results

You'll find that one of the most anti-tax states in the country just voted for Sanders by the largest margin in that primary's history.

Clearly, that means his ideas are wildly unpopular.

[Alfresco]

86. So you did read post #3 carefully, again.

[jeff47]

91. You can't manage to read all the posts pointing out this is a 2-week-old repeat.

Should you really be attacking others about "reading"?

[Alfresco]

99. So raising taxes on the middle class no longer matters?

[INdemo]

104. So 2.2% tax on income with no Health Insurance premiums

bad? Please go to https://go.berniesanders.com and read about his plan in detail and then tell me about these huge taxes we'll have to pay (Employers tax is 6.2& (still pretty damn cheap compared to current premiums.)

click on the right side of page "go to site" and then on the left side are the issues list.

[dana_b]

8. yes, yes!! n/t

[jham123]

37. EXACTLY!!!

[beam me up scottie]

5. He quotes Hillary shill Pelosi.

[m-lekktor]

17. and she somehow is 'Democrats". This site always has garbage articles

I wonder who runs it!

[beam me up scottie]

24. So many right wing talking points being spewed here since Bernie got in the way of the coronation.

Now that he took NH by storm it's only going to get worse.

I say bring it.

[Alfresco]

34. Since when is Nancy Pelosi right wing? You people are a hoot!

[beam me up scottie]

36. I do hope you guys get that straw at wholesale prices.

Does the manure cost extra or is it included?

[Alfresco]

47. I do believe I have struck a nerve. :-))

[beam me up scottie]

51. Yep, liberals do hate right wing talking points. But kudos for recycling!

[Alfresco]

53. Or is raising taxes on the middle class something the Sanders supporters want to keep quiet?

[beam me up scottie]

55. Nah, we just prefer to put all the facts on the table. Nuance is hard.

These constant EEK! BERNIE'S GONNA RAISE MUH TAXES!!! ops are short on context and long on fear.

They might work on other websites but DUers are too savvy.

[Alfresco]

61. Seems to me you berners attack anyone who puts forth facts and reality.

[beam me up scottie]

62. Of course it "seems" that way to you.

You guys refer to single payer health care, tuition free college and progressive taxes as unicorns, ponies and rainbows.

We call them liberal goals that are worth fighting for.

[Alfresco]

63. They are promises Bernie is making that he knows good and well he can't keep.

[frylock]

65. You struck the mother lode of bullshit.

[Alfresco]

66. No doubt about that. You read all the berners responses to my post.

[frylock]

69. You're really not very good at this.

[Alfresco]

74. Or is it you?

[frylock]

94. Another "I know you are but what am I" retort.

hurr durrrrrrr

[Alfresco]

97. You might want to be more precise with your posts. One could misconstrue your meaning. :-)

[frylock]

103. More rapier wit!

It's like Oscar Wilde all up in here!

[Alfresco]

28. She has been a great leader for the Democratic Party. :-)

[beam me up scottie]

33. She's protecting her bank account.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. THIS Democrat doesn't.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Looks like we need to primary a few more corporatists.

[kath]

32. we sure the hell do!

[arcane1]

82. I have been dying for a primary challenge to my rep and both senators for YEARS!

I'm tired of them running unopposed, and thus uninterested in earning my vote.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. Funny to watch the masks fall aside, and the RW ideas being supported by 'Democrats' as

soon as somebody comes along and actually points out that taxes really do need to be raised on the rich and corporations.

So funny watching them pretend that Bernie's ideas wouldn't actually be saving the poor and middle class money overall.

[uponit7771]

13. ...and people will ask what the money is for and then people will start looking into a plan that...

... doesn't explain how in the heck he's going to get doctors and pharma to accept half of what they're' taking now in payments

[Gregorian]

14. We're tired of top-down governing. You don't get a voice, we do.

[Orsino]

15. Sanders' agenda includes raising taxes on the wealthy.

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Given what is happening to both major parties in recent decades, opposition is to be expected. Welcomed, even, as it clearly labels the neoliberals for future reference.

[highprincipleswork]

18. That's not "Democrats"! That's just Nancy Pelosi.

Honestly, it could be so good if there was a general housecleaning on the waves of this revolt. Because the Dems we have are largely revolting. And I include Ms. Pelosi in there, especially with recent comments.

Yes, I've written her, expressing my views on her views. I hope we find someone better. Just another Dem whose time has passed, in my opinion.

As long as we stand together, there is so much we can accomplish.

[RiverLover]

20. Not THIS Democrat.

nt

[SheenaR]

21. Cool article that was already posted 2 weeks ago

It was met with the same response

[Alfresco]

42. See post #40

[frylock]

68. See post #21.

[99Forever]

22. 1%ers and Their Tools Reject Bernie Sanders Plan to Raise Taxes.

Fixed it for you, Al.

[Wilms]

23. Pelosi's taxes go up if Snaders prevails.

Any questions.

[Eleanors38]

35. Ha! Any tax increase would miss me by a mile. ^^^

[kath]

26. OLD article from 13 days ago, already posted here at least once.You people sure are good at

Recycling. YAY!for you!

[Alfresco]

40. Sometimes certain people need constant refocusing. :-)

[frylock]

71. So refocus on your own time.

[Alfresco]

76. ...

[CoffeeCat]

31. ****BERNIE SANDER'S PLAN WOULD SAVE MY FAMILY $4,500 per year****

Our family pays $550 per month for healthcare--through Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Sander's plan ($170 per month) equals a $4,500 savings per year.

Futhermore, everyone in the country is covered. No one has to go broke if they get cancer or have a car accident.

We can join the rest of the world, in which every modernized country has some form of universal healthcare.

The Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi who feign, "This is soooooo, soon hard! We're sorry" need to step aside and let the real Democrats--who don't kow tow to the health-insurance lobbyists--take charge.

We've got this Nancy. Thank you for your concern.

[dana_b]

78. Thank you!!

This part is always left out - that raising the taxes would LOWER their medical payments. And the lower socio economic classes would still pay next to nothing but have MUCH better health care. Hell, some would get it for the first time.

I'm happy for your family and hope that this actually happens for you and everyone who needs quality health care at an affordable price.

[INdemo]

93. So are you self employed?

See I dont know why people would reject Bernie Sanders healthcare plan
because a person earning 52,000.00 per year will pay 02.2% payroll tax of $22.00 per week/$1144 per year.
So that is pretty damn cheap insurance.
The reason Republicans are using talking points about raising taxes insinuating the taxes will be unbearable is because they don't want to take away the golden goose Insurance Companies have had all these years..The Blue Dog Democrats would be included in this also.
What Obama care did was to make sure people with pre-existing illness can be insured.
The rest is a formula for insurance companies to increase profits..Since 2009 we have never heard any insurance company complain about Obama care..Its what we could get with promises of "its a start"

For my family the premiums are high and deductibles are high and its almost like a patient has to get sick before 4:30 PM or they are not covered..I think Obama care is not good at all except for the pre-existing coverage and that has probably saved lives.

[CoffeeCat]

95. I am self employed; hubby is not.

$550 are the premiums we pay for a family of four.

[kennetha]

39. Bernie Wants to increase taxes by over 100%

Do you realize that?

Do you think there is a ghost of chance that's going to happen? BY HIS OWN ESTIMATES he needs to double Federal Revenue roughly just to pay for his healthcare payer alone. You really think he's going get all that money from taxing wall street alone? No chance. And most fair minded neutral experts -- I know some here sneer at neutral experts -- say he's underestimating the cost and overestimating the savings by a factor of 2 or 3. This is fantasyland magical thinking.

And we're not even talking about the rest of it.


It ain't happening. Wake up. Stop dreaming. Get to work working for real change, change you can actually believe in and not just dream about.

[whatthehey]

45. Every other developed democracy manages to do healthcare better than us

If it were impossible, how are the Canadians, French, British etc doing it? Why do I care if I pay 500 a month to Cigna or to the government for a start, even if there are NO savings (an absurdity; simply negotiating pharma prices would save billions)? Tax is a dirty word only for fools. I care about my wallet as much as most. I don't however care about whether spend from that wallet is marked "tax" or "premium".

[LondonReign2]

58. What "real change" is Hillary going to make? On what issues is she going to get the

Republican Congress to vote with her on? Do tell.

[frylock]

72. Prove it.

[thesquanderer]

89. If you want to see where Bernie gets the money from, check these two links

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

[ladjf]

43. This is old news. No use squeezing it every couple of weeks. nt

[Alfresco]

49. See post #40

[frylock]

73. See post #43.

[redstatebluegirl]

44. I remember when a candidate could not talk about doing anything to Social Security

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without being beaten to death. Now they can say they are going to throw the whole program in the dumper and nobody bats an eye.

Not raising taxes was always the Republican's battle cry, now we have Democrats scared of saying anything about raising taxes.

With that said I think Bernie, or whomever is the nominee, will have to be very careful how they talk about this to voters, independents as well as middle class democrats who have not made up their minds, like me.

I am not stupid, I know we can't do what we want to do without increasing taxes, but I want them increased on the wealthy, I want them to pay more into SSecurity as well. I want corporate loopholes closed, I want income that is going overseas to hide to be taxed properly.

A lot of people, Democrats, Independents and Republicans are like us, hanging on by a thread, hoping we don't get sick or the car doesn't die. We are a couple a hundred dollars away from being in big trouble every month. If I thought someone wanted to raise my taxes much I would be working against them like a crazy woman, fighting for my life.

I love lots of things about Bernie, I love his passion, he just can't fund it on our backs like all of the other candidates have before him. Our backs are broken.

[one_voice]

87. lots of truth here.

[Vinca]

50. Against a $1,000 raise in taxes vs. a $6,000 insurance premium?

Wonder who's in the pocket of big insurance. Nancy?

[CentralMass]

52. How's that working out for Nancy?

[AgingAmerican]

56. He threatens the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs

It's really that simple. In our system, politicians do the bidding of those who line their pockets.

[Alfresco]

57. He's making promises he knows he can't keep.

[LondonReign2]

59. What promises is Hillary making that she is going to keep?

On what issues is she going to get the Republican majorities in Congress to vote with her on? Do tell.

[dana_b]

84. if we help him, if we FIGHT for it, it can happen

but you're right, it won't happen if we simply elect Bernie and then sit back and do nothing. He can;t do this on his own. We have to bombard the politicians and demand it. We have been guilty of not doing so and of sitting back on our spoils and expecting one person or a few to do the brunt of the work. That never works. I am going to do much better this time and to fight for these things to happen. I hope others do the same.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. The Establishment Strikes Back. Playing now at a cocktail party near you.

[retrowire]

64. Yeah but since they are all elected officials who were elected to serve us, the people

They don't really have a say in that.

If the majority votes in a president who promised to raise taxes then guess what? That Democratic Party better follow the will of the people and go the direction we voted for, because guess what? They don't steer this ship, we do.

[Truprogressive85]

67. Anyone can throw out office

The American People's vote are the only vote that matter politicians are replaceable

[KingCharlemagne]

70. Nancy "Impeachment is Off the Table" Pelosi is an embarassment and should

be forced to resign her position or be kicked to the curb.

What a tool.

What is Pelosi's net worth, btw?

[basselope]

77. The leader of the establishment has spoken.

The 100K or so people who gave $$ to Bernie last night alone suggest otherwise.

[NiteOwl1]

79. And Pelosi speaks for all Democrats...

On Mars

[workinclasszero]

85. The republicans are praying they get to

run against Bernie Sanders huge tax increases.

They will have people making minimum wage convinced he's coming for their wallets/purses

[Alfresco]

88. Yep, they are giddy at the thought of Bernie being the nominee.

[NiteOwl1]

92. They can face it now.... or later, but it is inevitable

Sooner or later the taxes will be increased... and the later it is, the more progressive the rate structure will have to be.

Of course, the "flat tax" lie may delude the sheeple into believing that it is great for everyone... while even further increasing the income polarization to the benefit of the wealthiest.

[jillan]

96. I can't wait to hear Pelosi tell Sanders NO!!! Waaa!!! After he is elected President.

That oughta be good. Especially with millions of Bernie supporters that will have his back during his entire Presidency.

[Alfresco]

98. You can wait.

[Samantha]

100. Where is the part that people would no longer pay insurance premiums and would net $5,000 in savings

Take the higher taxes, subtract the premium one formerly paid, and he or she has $5,000 more in his or her pocket. That is the part they keep neglecting to mention. Additionally, a lot of overhead would be erased from having all elements of health care joined together and processed by one entity as opposed to the way it is now. Lastly, Medicare would have the ability to negotiate costs of prescriptions. Americans pay 3 times more for their prescriptions than the rest of the world.

Sam

[SalviaBlue]

101. The voters need to set them straight.

Healthcare is too expensive.

[LSK]

102. Congressional Dems have always been legislated from fear so how his this news?

[INdemo]

105. If you are to use a link find something that is credible

if you can

[ChiciB1]

107. AND This Is New WHY??? We Already KNOW What Our

esteemed leaders want! BUT I hope I don't have to remind everyone how much THEY HAVEN'T DONE FOR US! The cabal of Faux Democrats is now becoming clear. I'm pretty fed up with almost all of them!

But, doesn't change my mind about WHO I SUPPORT!