2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn TV just now- this gives Hillary a chance to "re-tool"
???
Is that the best they can spin
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)jham123
(278 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)And these are the facts;
Her position on Keystone (or lack of one). She waited until the same week that Obama made his decision before announcing where she stood. That's not standing up for the environment. That's politics.
Wall Street money. Whether it's impression or reality, it's there and it can't help but make me wonder. Generally speaking, it's hard to imagine the banks and Wall Street throwing all of that money at her and saying "here you go, we don't expect anything in return."
Her opposition to Glass Stegall. Though I do recall her telling the banks to "cut it out." Thanks Hillary.
Her Iraq vote. You may be sick of hearing about it but it's a big deal. It was poor judgement and lack of foresight. Sanders saw that it would destabilize the region. And it did. Now we not have the legacy of the Iraq war, we have the current ISIS situation.
Speaking of that, there is the no-fly zone proposal. Another poor foreign policy decision. What happens when Russian jets cross that line? You have to be prepared for that and I don't see it.
The email and server investigation by the FBI. Sorry, it's real. It very well could end up being nothing in the end, but what if it's not? What if it drags on until the general election and then she gets indicted? Then you end up with a republican in the White House.
Gay marriage. You can see how she has flip flopped over the years, as confirmed via politifact. Another change based on the political winds.
All of this and more have led me to distrust her judgement and her authenticity.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Nominees also get to retool in the general.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)global1
(25,250 posts)How many times are they going to have to re-invent her. Aren't the American People wise to this re-tooling by now.
Same book - Different Cover
One thing about Bernie's campaign - he's been on point and is presenting the same platform since the inception of his run for the nomination. Actually - the same platform - his whole political career. He doesn't respond to focus groups and change his story. That consistency portrays confidence, integrity, truthiness. He's genuine.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)because of the superdelegates and disarray of the Republicans.
But she's getting bad advice from her inner circle, who are living in past times and are out of touch. That's the downside of being in the corridors of power for 20+ years, everything is filtered through other insulated people.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)similar. It's not natural...or logical.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
jham123
(278 posts)...bad advice from "people"
Couldn't be the plethora of other fiasco's that she and she alone orchestrated, even down to Albright trotting out there and damning Female Bernie supporters to hell....
Couldn't be that....
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)bad advice. A sign that the people around her are a few decades behind the people they are trying to reach.
jham123
(278 posts)"None" of what is happening is Hillary's fault? This is all due to her "people" telling her to do wrong things and if left to her own she would have made different choices?
earthside
(6,960 posts)... and surrounds herself with equally arrogant people.
"That's the downside of being in the corridors of power for 20+ years, everything is filtered through other insulated people."
This is absolutely correct, in my estimation.
Plus, of course, for Hillary this seems to be part of her life's ambition: to be a part of the elite governing class with lots of money and influence.
For me, Hillary just reeks of the "I know what is best for you" attitude; I never get a sense of empathy with regular folks from her; I never even get the noblesse oblige attitude of FDR or Bobby Kennedy from her.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)I also don't think its entirely her fault. She was separated from her college and law school cohort when she went to Little Rock, made new friends, brought some back to Washington, they didn't translate well for the most part, and had to pick new friends and advisors from the kind of people who gravitate to power.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)Hillary will defeat Trump, after beating him up as an arrogant uncaring New York billionaire.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Hillary should say - I did not believe that the American people would support these ideas - I can be practical but with your support I will go for the golden ring.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to be usefull any longer.
longship
(40,416 posts)Like this?
We all know that Bugs always gets the best of the spin. Always!
(Just posted the same in another thread.)
Spin is an exemplar of desperation.
kath
(10,565 posts)that clip should get posted on all the bullshit spin threads.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,203 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)and the sad thing is that the hits on Hillary come so easy
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)On both sides of the aisle, the electorate has decided it's past time to pick the sharp tools in the shed, instead of the old and rusty ones.