2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt is simple Hillary...Just RELEASE THE DAMN SPEECH TRANSCRIPTS!
Did you praise wallstreet like most of us know you did? If not, the solution is simple, just release the transcripts.
This is very telling, because she is betting that not releasing them will cause her less grief than releasing them will. That is what scares me! What did she say to these firms?????
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)That's why she is in exclusive control of all of her communications--that's why the private server was set up--so that she can hide and alter whatever she needs to for her Presidential run.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)This is just one example of many.
Of course when I tried to list the specific issues on the Hillary Group page I was promptly banned. So much for a civil discussion. I laid out my concerns, as listed below. Guess my tone wasn't respectful?
My post;
I can only answer for myself but here are a number of reasons I don't care for her/distrust her;
Her position on Keystone (or lack of one). She waited until the same week that Obama made his decision before announcing where she stood. That's not standing up for the environment. That's politics.
Wall Street money. Whether it's impression or reality, it's there and it can't help but make me wonder. Generally speaking, it's hard to imagine the banks and Wall Street throwing all of that money at her and saying "here you go, we don't expect anything in return." And if you haven't checked out the youtube video of Elizabeth Warren vs Hillary Clinton I recommend you do so.
Her opposition to Glass Stegall. Though I do recall her telling the banks to "cut it out." Thanks Hillary.
Her Iraq vote. You may be sick of hearing about it but it's a big deal. It was poor judgement and lack of foresight. Sanders saw that it would destabilize the region. And it did. Now we not have the legacy of the Iraq war, we have the current ISIS situation.
Speaking of that, there is the no-fly zone proposal. Another poor foreign policy decision. What happens when Russian jets cross that line? You have to be prepared for that and I don't see it.
The email and server investigation by the FBI. Sorry, it's real. It very well could end up being nothing in the end, but what if it's not? What if it drags on until the general election and then she gets indicted? Then you end up with a republican in the White House.
Gay marriage. You can see how she has flip flopped over the years, as confirmed via politifact. Another change based on the political winds.
All of this and more have led me to distrust her judgement and her authenticity.
Logical
(22,457 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)I went back to look at it and there are posts there patting themselves on the back, saying "see, we allow anyone to post anything they want here."
Only it's not true, as I have been banned from the Hillary Clinton group page for posting it and can't reply to anything they've said in response to what I posted. Not exactly fair, but what I've come to expect from the Hillary supporters.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I have a theory about why she did those speeches, besides the money. She was letting them know she is on their side, so they would donate, and it worked. Andre Mitchell was talking about those speeches last night and basically saying it was dumb for her to do them, that no one has done that who was going to run for office. (I know, Andrea Mitchell.)
Logical
(22,457 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)She must have been mentally lost in the 90's when she made them.
I would have thought as a senator she would have been more in touch with the mood of the country although maybe with all the wealth in NY she was insulated from that.
Basically those speeches allow Sanders to play the very successful game that Obama played against Romney.
Sanders isn't even calling for her to release them. He knows either way he wins and the press, hoping to sew acrimony rather than cover their differences in issues will report them in the worst possible light.
0rganism
(23,955 posts)if she doesn't release the transcripts, people will assume the worst about them, and that she has something to hide
if she releases the transcripts, there will be a continuing argument about whether they are complete or redacted
probably still a better idea to release them than not, but she missed a nice window of opportunity right after the Thursday debate
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Um.... Wait a minute.
Logical
(22,457 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)She's had time to look into it. Release the transcripts. It's a simple thing. She has the transcripts and there is no legitimate reason not to release them.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)One of the interesting bits about Flash Boys was how Goldman Sachs was fine using open source software but once they used it they claimed that they owned it. It's possible they may have an agreement in place giving Sachs control over the content of those speeches?
But that seems like a bit of a stretch.
Bryant