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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 10:54 AM Feb 2016

Hillary just lost women to Bernie. But don’t blame Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem

By Janell Ross February 10

Perhaps the Clinton campaign's internal polling had, by this weekend, made it clear just how poorly Hillary Clinton was doing among New Hampshire women. Maybe that triggered some kind of distress signal broadcast to Clinton's high-profile female supporters and surrogates.

Maybe that helped set in motion the entire Madeleine Albright-Gloria Steinem-Hillary Clinton fiasco this week.

But now, with the New Hampshire primary done, Clinton's rather dire situation with women — particularly young white women in that state — is pretty clear for all to see.

Clinton did not simply lose New Hampshire on Tuesday night to Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) by around 20 points; she also narrowly lost New Hampshire women to Sanders, too. In fact, early exit polling indicated that Clinton lost the quest for female voters to Sanders. Late Tuesday night, Sanders led her among women by around 10 points, according to exit polls reported by CNN.

That's right. The group that the Clinton campaign and — if we are honest — many a political prognosticator long assumed would form a strong contingent of Clinton's voters due, at least in some part, to the thrilling prospect of casting votes that might help to put the first woman in the White House, appears to have opted for Sanders instead.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/10/hillary-clinton-just-lost-women-to-bernie-sanders-but-dont-blame-madeleine-albright-and-gloria-steinem/

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Fundamental changes are needed to help women in our country.

The only thing fundamental with Hillary is her fundamental role in the higher echelons of the establishment.

She just isn't capable, as a thoroughly purchased politician, of doing anything to advance fundamental change. Not for women, nor PoC, nor any of US who aren't in the top 10% income bracket.


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Hillary just lost women to Bernie. But don’t blame Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem (Original Post) RiverLover Feb 2016 OP
Albright turned me off Clinton Dirty Socialist Feb 2016 #1
That was a surreal moment, that's for sure. RiverLover Feb 2016 #2
What truly surprised me was that a few here on DU tried to defend the comments. Bubzer Feb 2016 #43
It was a rotten thing to say. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #13
Just goes to show that these women are part of the establishment TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #16
I saw the actual clip just last night on the Daily Show Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #42
What was even worse was Hillary's reaction to it. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #62
she's a bit of a sociopath Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #73
Wow. Thank you for doing that. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #48
Those quotes were so insufferable...surprised it didn't cut into it more. What a total clusterf... libdem4life Feb 2016 #3
I hope the 1st female Pres. will be Elizabeth Warren (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #4
Me too. RiverLover Feb 2016 #6
I really believe that if Bernie gets the nomination Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #8
Probably not. jeff47 Feb 2016 #9
It would be a POWERFUL combination Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #11
Bernie could give her a position to oversee the banks.. Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #57
She would be in a prime position to run in 2020 (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #65
So we forfeit her power by putting her in as the VP and where jwirr Feb 2016 #74
And PS ... Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #12
Depends who their VPs are. jeff47 Feb 2016 #14
I think... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #40
Sadly, I agree. thucythucy Feb 2016 #18
Not off the top of my head. jeff47 Feb 2016 #19
Suitable substitute PADemD Feb 2016 #21
Now that's identity politics I could get behind n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #33
Very interesting possibility. Thanks for the links FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #35
She is great. But Americans would never vote for a Hindu. thereismore Feb 2016 #50
I think Barbara Lee would be a great VP candidate LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #26
She is my choice as well. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #52
love her Nite Owl Feb 2016 #78
I agree Pastiche423 Feb 2016 #79
Rep. Tammy Duckworth FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #31
I think Bernie will try to find a suitable woman for VP. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #39
I think she would be far more successful in a cabinet position Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #68
Yes!!!! Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #38
Inside Info Dirty Socialist Feb 2016 #5
I heard that 2. roguevalley Feb 2016 #30
she used to have protesters from the left heckle her wherever she went to speak m-lekktor Feb 2016 #34
yes, I remember that she didn't have a good reputation Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #41
They are voting against corruption, look at how she polls on trust..devastating numbers. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #7
The definition of insanity applies here: it's crazy to expect tired status quo responses to change leveymg Feb 2016 #10
Something touched a nerve... speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #15
No, I think you got it right. /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #17
So, losing by 21 points.... jham123 Feb 2016 #20
It was a "hard choice", which for Hillary means always, always the wrong choice in the moment. RiverLover Feb 2016 #22
Agreed jham123 Feb 2016 #23
Yet another example of Hillary's horrible... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #58
I'm not shocked, she played the gender card. pinebox Feb 2016 #24
1:36 minutes of perfection LittleGirl Feb 2016 #63
welcome pinebox Feb 2016 #66
I have been saying this artislife Feb 2016 #72
Also I want to see Hillary explain this pinebox Feb 2016 #25
Well, isn't THAT interesting?! She should be asked to explain that, asap. kath Feb 2016 #27
OOOOOH SNAP! That’s going to leave a mark! dorkzilla Feb 2016 #32
Ooops. Not good Hills n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #36
ouch. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #44
Damn! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #51
LOL Kalidurga Feb 2016 #55
Hang tight I'll make a new thread pinebox Feb 2016 #67
If you haven't made this an OP, you should. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #69
Link: arcane1 Feb 2016 #71
I think many people want the first female president to be someone we can be proud of. fbc Feb 2016 #28
.... RiverLover Feb 2016 #45
Not Me DownriverDem Feb 2016 #29
This is a different time. Our population is finally waking up to the need for Populism. RiverLover Feb 2016 #46
Us hell-bound ones call it “women’s intuition" dorkzilla Feb 2016 #37
Well-said, dork! RiverLover Feb 2016 #49
Totally! dorkzilla Feb 2016 #75
I haven't liked her since 92 Kalidurga Feb 2016 #56
Albright had a WTF moment PatrynXX Feb 2016 #47
MA Treasurer Deb Goldberg says hold the Steinem/Albright please BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #53
Neither one of them helped. AT ALL! longship Feb 2016 #54
Insistence that people's votes be purely based on skin color, what's between their legs, etc... MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #59
Whether male or female - TBF Feb 2016 #60
Most of the people who are most active in my local Bernie group are women of all ages. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #61
I can't LittleGirl Feb 2016 #64
Spot on! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #70
Women..... mudstump Feb 2016 #76
From today's Houston Chronicle cloudbase Feb 2016 #77

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
43. What truly surprised me was that a few here on DU tried to defend the comments.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

I found that absolutely baffling.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. Just goes to show that these women are part of the establishment
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:31 AM
Feb 2016

They are tone deaf when it comes to ordinary women.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
42. I saw the actual clip just last night on the Daily Show
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

definitely a really obnoxious, off-putting statement

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
62. What was even worse was Hillary's reaction to it.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

She seems to really love it when people say and do evil things. Not sure what that says about her.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
73. she's a bit of a sociopath
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016

and I say this as someone who doesn't even hate her like so many people I know do.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. Those quotes were so insufferable...surprised it didn't cut into it more. What a total clusterf...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

And it tainted two women who spent their lives being true icons for women. Then along comes HRC and has them do this...for a woman who has spent her life waiting to be annointed President.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
6. Me too.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:08 AM
Feb 2016

Very much so.

To me its tragic she didn't run, but who knows. Maybe Bernie will announce she'll be his VP, or maybe in 4 years...

Or maybe that ship has sailed. A lost opportunity that could have transformed America.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
8. I really believe that if Bernie gets the nomination
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

that Elizabeth Warren will be his running mate. She always said that she was not running for President. No mention of not accepting an offer to become VP.

She would be great protection for Bernie (against small plane crashes, etc), too, because the powers that be certainly would not want her to be President.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. Probably not.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

-It creates a 100% Northeastern ticket.
-She doesn't bring any voters that Sanders doesn't already have
-She is far more powerful, and can do far more, if she remains in the Senate

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
11. It would be a POWERFUL combination
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

We'll just have to agree to disagree because I think you are very wrong.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
57. Bernie could give her a position to oversee the banks..
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

How much could she do if she was merely the shadow of Bernie as president?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
74. So we forfeit her power by putting her in as the VP and where
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

she cannot help change things until 2020? She is very powerful right where she is - the Senate. And she is going to get more powerful using her knowledge and courage in the next years.

Years ago I watched every time Ted Kennedy was nominated as a potential VP and I wanted him to stay where he was because of his power in the Senate. I want that for her also with one difference. I want her to run for president when the spot is open.

Being a VP is still not a place of power.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
12. And PS ...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

If it's Sanders vs Trump vs Bloomberg ... it's going to be an entirely Northeastern ELECTION.

3 New Yorkers

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. Depends who their VPs are.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

Again, why'd Warren want the job?

She has so much power in the Senate and is such a threat to the Senate leadership that they created a new leadership position to protect Schumer from her.

VP takes away nearly all her power and ability to actually change anything, for a slight boost in symbolism.

Warren has important work to do. She should stay in a position to actually do it.

DUbeornot2be

(367 posts)
40. I think...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

...she might want the job because she knows that she would be the best person out there to continue the revolution. There simply has to be a vp who can continue the momentum. Barring that, we'd be one unfortunate event away from the establishment retaking control and making her position in the senate a moot point...

As vp she has a clear path to becoming the next President.

thucythucy

(8,066 posts)
18. Sadly, I agree.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

In some other threads I've also advocated for a Sanders/Warren ticket, but I think your reasons numbers two and three are pretty compelling points against.

Any ideas on who would be a suitable substitute?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. Not off the top of my head.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:52 AM
Feb 2016

The party has done such a wonderful job stomping over the left wing that I don't have a good answer. We just do not hear about candidates who are not DLC-style Democrats.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
21. Suitable substitute
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard

First American Samoan member of Congress.

U. S. Army Major

Iraq War Veteran

Serves on Armed Forces & Foreign Affairs Committees

Political Positions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard#Political_positions

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
50. She is great. But Americans would never vote for a Hindu.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

Juuust jokiiiing! Of course they would. I would.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
79. I agree
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:13 PM
Feb 2016

Barbara Lee also was the only congressperson to NOT vote to give W war powers for Afghanistan.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
39. I think Bernie will try to find a suitable woman for VP.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

Just a guess or wishful thinking. But I think he will try to accommodate the Hillary supporters.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
5. Inside Info
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

I know someone who used to be in the State Department and he said Albright was highly unpopular when she was Secretary of State. Imperious.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
34. she used to have protesters from the left heckle her wherever she went to speak
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

during her tenure. she is a vile woman and i cringe whenever some "liberal" proclaims she is a wondrous role model.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
41. yes, I remember that she didn't have a good reputation
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

and certainly her remark about dead Iraqi children being worth the sanctions was bad enough. SHows that she has some nasty ideas.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. The definition of insanity applies here: it's crazy to expect tired status quo responses to change
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

Repeating the same policies, intended to reign in change, only make problems worse. This applies to gender equality as well as to economic issues. Radical centrists, such as Hillary, are incapable of radical changes because they are trained and inclined to suppress such movements for change from below. That is conservatism in action, and Hillary is a conservative in the broadest sense. It's simply how the Establishment and Wall Street, and its operatives, operate.

Don't expect much improvement aside for token gestures from the Center-Right wing of either party.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
15. Something touched a nerve...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:30 AM
Feb 2016

posts on the NYT article saying "Gloria Steinem doesn't represent my feminism" are getting thousands of likes.

I thought it was mostly frustration with rigged economy and political system, but maybe I missed something here.

jham123

(278 posts)
20. So, losing by 21 points....
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

Losing by 21 points to an anti-establishment candidate, Dumbass Hillary trots out two old Establishment Dems and Albright hurls insults and threats at women they are trying to win over.....

That's brilliant...just brilliant campaigning right there...

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
22. It was a "hard choice", which for Hillary means always, always the wrong choice in the moment.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Not presidential material.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
24. I'm not shocked, she played the gender card.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

Considering she seems to think that being a woman entitles her to the presidency. Don't believe me? Watch. She's offended many young women with her comments.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
72. I have been saying this
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:51 PM
Feb 2016

Women, especially under the age of 35, have worked for lots of male and female bosses. They have seen more than the one or two token women in power. They have been raised with the idea they can go for any job, do anything.

So someone who is lamenting that they are a woman and have it hard doesn't jive with their experience. Especially a woman who has been given a national identity by a husband and a job by another man. Want to talk about doing it by yourself, you have to hand it to Sarah Palin. She did it all on her own, with cobbled together education and a deep belief in her ability.

She's batshit crazy, but she is determined. That leads to the next item women have seen. Just because someone is a woman it doesn't mean they are caring and for all the little people. Not at all.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
32. OOOOOH SNAP! That’s going to leave a mark!
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Great find, pinebox!

How the heck is she going to explain this one away? She’d better have a list of job titles and duties handy.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
55. LOL
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

I am going to play devil's advocate here for a minute. That is the total of all salaries including the cleaning staff (mostly women), secretaries (mostly women and grossly underpaid) and women that don't have as much experience in the workforce (taking time off having kids n stuff), so naturally women aren't going to be paid as much as a group.

Now I would like to see a graph that shows salaries for men and women with like jobs and like experience. BTW I think the experience argument is bullshit, but it is what it is.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
69. If you haven't made this an OP, you should.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

And, if you have, please give me the link so I can go kick and recommend it.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
28. I think many people want the first female president to be someone we can be proud of.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

Like Elizabeth Warren.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
29. Not Me
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary hasn't lost me, but if Bernie wins the nomination I will vote for him. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be another George McGovern. We lost so bad that we are still suffering from it.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
46. This is a different time. Our population is finally waking up to the need for Populism.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

The status quo, non-representative establishment is making the US a 2nd rate country.

Our Democracy is a joke. Our votes do nothing. Moneyed Interests control our reps.

We're waking up.

Its just a different era.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
37. Us hell-bound ones call it “women’s intuition"
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:46 PM
Feb 2016

You know when someone just isn’t authentic, or is off, or is obviously not buying what they themselves are selling? Its a look, body language, expressions (or lack thereof) of the face. That’s what a lot of us get with her. To those who don’t I would suggest a closer look--its all there.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
56. I haven't liked her since 92
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

I think back then I voted for Bill half in sympathy and half cuz he wasn't a Republican.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
47. Albright had a WTF moment
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

inappropriate timing, like someone in the audience at a state of the union yelling You Lie. Just dumb timing but it's the reaction of the person running for office thats key. Someone faints at a rally. Obama would yell out for help, Hillary probably would just Clap. Bernie says OMG and runs to the person. It's the LITTLE things that count. Candidates cost Marshalltown $7000 , only one single candidate paid for it. Bernie. It's the LITTLE <--- things that count. Not the BIG BIG things like flying to Flint for gosh I hope she paid for it, trip to Flint photo op. If she doesn't do well in Conservative states that would be a shocker. I assume she well. Although Texas isn't as Conservative as it used to be after Katrina.

longship

(40,416 posts)
54. Neither one of them helped. AT ALL!
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

In fact, they both did damage to any narrative that supports Secy Clinton as a woman candidate.

Albright's comments were particularly odious.

I am glad to be supporting Senator Sanders.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
59. Insistence that people's votes be purely based on skin color, what's between their legs, etc...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

is never a good idea.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
60. Whether male or female -
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

people hate to be lectured to and told what to do. And right now they are hurting economically. They voted BIG for 2 folks who they view as anti-establishment. Trump is not a politician and Bernie is now running as a democrat but for years he has been in Congress as an Independent. I think it's a crystal clear signal that Americans are not happy with the income inequality they are experiencing. They don't trust any of the establishment candidates, and in particular the trust numbers were very low for Hillary. Jeb Bush - they won't even give him the time of day. As Bernie says: enough is enough.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
61. Most of the people who are most active in my local Bernie group are women of all ages.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

I noticed that phenomenon a couple of months back and wondered if my city was just an outlier.

Doesn't appear so.

mudstump

(342 posts)
76. Women.....
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

are frustrated. It seems we watch as other groups make headway in civil rights yet, women's rights are under attack on a daily basis. Its time for women's rights to be front and center. Who is doing anything about the erosion of reproductive rights?

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