Delegates, Super Delegates...Is the whole thing already won by Hillary?

[Paper Roses]

I don't understand how this works. Looks like if we win, we lose.

What happens if so many delegates are pledged to X candidate and the opponent wins the popular vote?

Have 'Googled' and cannot find a real answer.
Thanks, PR

[daleanime]

1. No, super delegates are not pledged to anyone candidate.....

And since most of them hold office it's doubtful that they would try to override the voters decision. Influence is a different subject.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

2. If they overthrow the popular vote and employ super delegates the election goes to the GOP.

This is an anti-establishment election cycle and such a blatant establishment maneuver will drive people to the GOP who through either Cruz or Trump will be fronting an anti-establishment candidate.

[JimDandy]

3. Here is how it works using just NH as an example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280114869

[djean111]

4. My grandson and his personal and redditor friends - will just stay home.

They all got really involved with the political process, and if the process turns out to not be "democratic" - they are out.
Their reply to the smug DNC - "No, YOU say hello to President Trump".

The old school Rahm bullshit doesn't work any more - who else they going to vote for? No one. The candidates are too far apart to make voting for an engineered winner a lock. Right now, Bernie is seen as what a Democrat is supposed to be, and Hillary is seen as just old school big entitled money. And anyone who thinks gender is the reason is a damned fool and brings a loss down on their own heads.

[onehandle]

5. She'll be too far ahead to catch on March 1st with delagates alone. nt

[Rocky the Leprechaun]

6. Currently, Bernie is leading in pledged delegates.

Unpledged delegates do not count unless they are needed in the convention.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Hillary crowed about her superdelegate lead in 08 to as a 'fire wall'.

The superdelegates will not usurp the popular vote.

[Sancho]

8. Here you go..right now, Hillary is way ahead....updated Feb. 10

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

Hillary Clinton: 394Bernie Sanders: 42Not yet allocated: 4,327

[restorefreedom]

13. wrong. most of those are supers, i.e., unpledged. nt

[Nanjeanne]

9. If Super Delegates go against the will of the voters

It's the death of democracy. Just think. One person - one vote goes out the window.

If Democrats believe in democracy, they would be fools to take the election out of the hands of the voters. It's not one person - one delegate!

[randome]

17. Just think -Electoral College. IOW, it has never been about the popular vote. Ever.

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[Jarqui]

10. A bunch jumped from Hillary to Obama in 2008

Super Delegates in 2008
Obama 463 Clinton 257

That's the problem I had when they tried to count Clinton's Iowa super delegates against Bernie - they're not committed - they can switch.

[cali]

11. Yes, Hillary is the almost certain nominee

[backscatter712]

12. I will walk away from the party if they pull that sort of shit.

If the superdelegates and the Democratic Party don't respect the will of the voters, and stick us with a candidate we don't want, I will not vote for that candidate in the general.

[Gothmog]

14. The whole purpose of the primary process is to win delegates

The delegate process is critical to the primary process. Democrats award delegates based on proportional representation and there are no winner take all primaries for Democrats. The pledged delegates are obligated to vote to the candidate they are pledged to for the first ballot. It does not matter who wins the popular vote in that state. Again, the name of the game is to win delegates.

Super Delegates are party officials and members of the DNC who are going to do what is best for the party. Remember that there is a great deal of concern by party officials that Sanders would kill down ballot candidates which is why I would not count of Super Delegates switching to Sanders.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Oh that's not the full story. Unpledged Delegates (you use the slang 'super delegates') are elected

persons, some elected to positions in the Party but also each member of the House, the Senate, Governors. There are in fact just 20 unpledged delegates who have a vote based purely on their 'distinguished status' such as ex-Presidents, former VPs, former Party Chairs and Congressional leaders of the past.

So that means all but a handful hold positions that can be taken from them by their constituents who tend to do so if they use their vote as delegate to counter the will of their own voters. These are politicians, they will do what is best for themselves almost always and very few elected officials are willing to risk their own jobs to serve the advancement of another politician, which is what it all boils down to.

They vote with the people or they lose their seats and blow up the Party. They know better.

[Myrina]

15. No.

N/T

[Bluenorthwest]

16. 'Super Delegate' is a slang term, in Party regulations they are called 'Unpledged Delegates' and

that is what they are. They are not pledged and they can't be held to any endorsement they have made. Obama started out with half the unpledged delegates Hillary had and ended with far, far more. They switch as the voters express their will because those delegates are mostly elected officials who counter the will of their constituents at great personal risk.

Anyone who is counting them now is engaged in dishonest representation of the actual process. That starts with calling Unpledged Delegates 'Super Delegates'. Are they really Super? Or are they as the Party regs say, simply uncommitted delegates who hold a vote due to position in the Party?
Super is a word meaning 'very good or excellent'. Uncommitted is a word meaning 'not promised, not pledged, held aside for future use'.

[rocktivity]

19. The tactic seems to be CONVINCING us that's it's inevitable

which they didn't do 8 years ago.




rocktivity