I learned three things last night

[Depaysement]

1. Bill Clinton was sure helpful. Thanks Bill!

2. Most New Hampshire women booked reservations at The Hotel Hell. Thanks Madame Secretary!

3. A lot of young men and women got together last night. Thanks Ms. Steinem!

[pugetres]

1. Be Nice.

And, that's it...

I'm not within the neighborhood of Vermont so my opinion means naught.

[HooptieWagon]

2. In 1992 it was the Clinton Machine...

Now the are The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. They are tone deaf and out of touch. After all the damage the DLC did to the working class, including minorities, for the past 25 years, I'll be glad to see them gone. We're taking our fucking party back.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. The Clintons were at a time of voter apathy....

Don't forget he won the first time with a plurality and the second time was an all time low in voter turnout.

Now voters are energized and informed and just saying you're ready isn't nearly enough. Nor is formula politics of telling voters a story about someone you met who has a problem that you care about and how you will be the hero to fix it and then wait for applause.

Bernie addresses actual issues people care about. Like their wages and Social Security and promoting peace and not war. Not to mention the ability to drive to work without wondering if the bridge you're on is going to stay up long enough to cross it or if the water coming out of the tap is safe or if you get shot by the cops because you don't look white enough.

[HooptieWagon]

10. Correct. Perot took a lot of votes from Bush in '92.

BC's wins should have an asterisk.

[tazkcmo]

27. Me and my Dad voted Perot that year.

It was a symbolic way of protesting the piss poor choices we had. We knew he wasn't going to win and neither Bush nor Clinton did it for us. We voted straight Dem except for President. Not sure it would've made much of a difference had Perot won anyway not that we expected him to.

[DefenseLawyer]

29. In '92 most of the "top tier" democrats didn't run

With Bush riding high after the first gulf war most democrats took a pass, no offense to Tom Harkin, Paul Tsongas and Jerry Brown.

[mdbl]

9. Don't count them out just yet

The DINO's are scheming as we speak about how to appear like actual Democrats. I just hope the voting public isn't so easily duped anymore.

[HooptieWagon]

11. They'll scheme, lie, and throw the kitchen sink.

I even expect her to play the anti-semitism card. But that shit only works on fearful low information right wing voters. Those people aren't going to vote for Sanders anyway. That shit just isn't going to work on progressives. Independents aren't going to pay a bit of attention to Hillary. And youth are a hell of a lot smarter than she thinks. Her attacks and smears will continue to blow up in her face, like Wile E. Coyote.

[Mbrow]

16. Great, Now I've got that line stuck in my head.

Wile E. Coyote Super Genius. It' will be there all week.

[hobbit709]

21. Here you go.

[Mbrow]

22. You are up early

Thanks for that! I'm off to work

[hobbit709]

23. Got a Dr. appointment at 8.

But I'm usually up by 6.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. They can't genuine that stuff up to fool anyone...

I shows. I've gotten to the point where I can smell DINO from across the airwaves!

[tazkcmo]

28. Correct!

In fact, Sec Clinton is STILL the favorite to win. The only thing that has changed, IMO, is the term "prohibitive" can be dropped and replaced with "heavily" or "odds on" or some other such word or possibly no qualifier at all and just "favored". We won a couple of battles but the war has just started.

[karynnj]

25. the Clinton machine was mythologized and over rated in 1992

GHWB was imploding even as Clinton entered the race. He was in low 40s for all 1992 falling to 39 percent by November. Perot at the beginning of the year trashed Bush, mostly ignoring the Democratic primary race. Then he dropped out, losing most of his support that did not return when he rejoined the race. Any Democrat was likely to win with this backgraound.

That was the backdrop for the Clinton win. He was a very smart, attractive, charismatic man who many in the media loved. Yet at one point he was third out of these three.

After the win, Carville and Begala wrote a book that became a movie.

[ieoeja]

33. When he didn't give up in response to Flowers affair, a lot thought "finally a Dem with a spine!"

When he started campaiging against Democrats in Congress during the GE, a lot thought "WTF?". But by then we were stuck with him.

In retrospect the Party would have been a lot better off had he lost. His success convinced Red State Democrats to embrace "I hate liberal Democrats too" as a political strategy. Which is how we lost the House and States for the first time in decades.

[Live and Learn]

3. LOL nt

[enigmatic]

4. Hillary's surrogates have done as much damage to her as Bernie has

It's like watching Hillary run a negative campaign against herself.

[Depaysement]

6. Exactly

I actually feel sorry for her. But not her surrogates. With "friends" like those, who needs enemies?

It is nice to see negative campaigning backfire.

[JonathanRackham]

26. In part Hillary is responsible for this shipwreck.

She chose the crew.

[HooptieWagon]

30. She hand-picked the crew,....

...valuing loyalty over competence. And then she's the one giving marching orders ( except when Bill butts in). Makes you wonder what kind of staff and cabinet she would pick as POTUS.

[HubertHeaver]

5. Baby boom next November?

[daleanime]

7. Then we need to start working....

for their future.

[Wilms]

14. Bernie Babies!

[BainsBane]

12. So you don't think NH residents voted out of admiration or support for Bernie?

but because of unforced errors by Clinton surrogates?

Interesting theory. If so, that's a problem that the Clinton campaign should be able to easily remedy.

Thanks for your insight!

[Depaysement]

15. Who said that?

Not me. I think the voters admire Bernie plenty.

[BainsBane]

31. Yet your post credits the actions above for Bernie's win.

To the extent you thank them.

[Depaysement]

32. Sure

But I am sure you would agree that I didn't say, "I don't think NH residents voted out of admiration or support for Bernie."

It's pretty obvious I didn't say that, isn't it?

[Divernan]

19. Even more than in 2008, Bill is a problem not easily remedied.

The aging and raging ex-president speaking to a half-filled gym in a New Hampshire school, ranted about Sanders’s “hypocrisy” in condemning his wife’s paid speeches. Sanders, too, has given paid speeches, Bill Clinton claimed.

In 2013, for example, Sanders made all of $1,500, which he donated to charity as required by federal law. In 2014, he raked in $1,850 for paid speeches. By contrast, Clinton made, and kept, over $21 million during the same time period. Sanders was only reimbursed for coach class airfare, while Clinton demanded private jets. Sanders’s hosts were the TV show “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Avalon Publishing and a machinists union. Clinton’s were Goldman Sachs, the big banks and the pharmaceutical and energy industries.

[Art_from_Ark]

13. LOL!

[d_legendary1]

17. I also learned

-The media spins things into complete fantasies. The new come back kid? Really?

-38 miles gave NH to Bernie? Last I checked NH was 9,350 square miles according to google.

-Sanders was given NH thanks to ultra liberal, gun toting, under 35 year olds. Makes no sense.

[marble falls]

18. I learned super delegates are a game. They need to be put in the Museum of Politics as Usual.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

24. I think you're right: Bill is done