The vote count @ 10:48 PST

[berniepdx420]

Bernie Sanders 129,929 votes (--) 60.6%
Hillary Clinton 82,046 votes (-47,883) 38.2%
Other 2,572 votes (-127,357) 1.2%
77.8% Precincts Reporting
214,547 Votes
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[pugetres]

1. I was thinking that the spread

would be around 15%. Wow. Just wow.

[metroins]

3. That's what I thought

I thought 20 was a possibility but over 20 is rough.

I am a Hillary supporter and know the south will be difficult for Bernies message, so I'm not too worried.

Hillary however, needs a rallying cry.

[berniepdx420]

4. I disagree with your premise... I think Bernie's message will resonate in the South

If anywhere knows the system is rigged..it's the South

[metroins]

5. I fully disagree.

In my opinion, the South votes less on rhetoric and more on realism.

In my opinion, Bernies idealism goes well in college towns, but when it comes to the working man, they want to know how on earth these ideas will pass Congress.

Hillary knows what can get passed.

That again is just my opinion.

[berniepdx420]

8. Thanks for sharing your opinion... I would argue that the real focus isn't on what can pass the

present Congress.. for a couple of reasons.. one .. hillary couldn't get anything through either.. saying Hillary isn't popular with Repubs, is an understatement. two.. the President cannot introduce bills into the Congress.. and I think the reality of NH illustrates that the only chance we have in passing any Progressive bills in the near future is to have the Bernie momentum become a political revolution at the polls and have democrats ushered into control of Congress..... a long shot still but our only chance IMO

And in the end I think that the Struggle most Americans are facing in the South (economic) is only being outline by Bernie... I think the rigged system rings loud and clear to the workers of the South...

[metroins]

10. I'm not saying Bernies message isn't on point

I'm saying he's 8 years too late and 8 years too early.

A lot of what Bernie says, I agree with. But we're talking Obama was one of the most polarizing presidents in modern history (not his fault). Obama is very moderate, but the RW labeled him as far left.

If we go too far left and nothing changes, we might be looking at a Republican for the next 8-16 years after his first 4.

I also strongly think Bernie will get eviscerated in the GE. The RW specializes in propaganda and one liners. Bernie is susceptible to them, whereas the book has already been thrown at Hillary.

Again, I like Bernie, I'm just thinking more long term.

Thank you for your response, you don't need to sell me on Bernie, you need to sell the 10% swing voters.

[berniepdx420]

16. I am hoping a few of the 10% are reading these...

Bernie won Independents (containing some of the 10% swing GE voters ) by a mile in NH

What do you base your understanding that Bernie will be eviscerated in the GE ? I do not think he is susceptible to one liners and propaganda..on the contrary.. he uses facts and his arguments are clear and statesman like.

I myself am tired of being afraid of moving to far left... I am ready to leap.. the American public polls quite Progressive when it comes to individual issues.. We've been waiting for a champion to unite us against the machine.. and by golly I think we found him

IMO

[metroins]

21. We'll see how it plays out.

Bernie doesn't quite inspire me.

I'm not at all concerned with IA or NH. Ohio, PA, MI, Florida, GA sure.

Let's be honest, this is a game where 90% of the play doesn't matter.

[berniepdx420]

24. Yes we shall see...

Not sure why the states you mention don't concern you... a few are quite important in the GE

Definitely agree some of the primaries/caucuses are marginalized.. but 90% seems high... I think Hillary is in trouble.. she is counting on the POC vote way to much when it is based almost entirely on name recognition. Her message isn't very compelling to me..

[femmedem]

34. First, thank you for thoughtful arguments.

This is what I wish discussion boards were more frequently like: people who may disagree, making their best cases without rancor.

I think that Bernie's strong support among Independents--much stronger than Hillary's--indicates that he has a much better chance than she does of winning the GE.

What would happen if he wins and nothing changes? Perhaps, as you say, it would empower Republicans. But I think it is at least equally likely that if people see Republicans blocking changes they legitimately want, it would swing more Independents to vote for Democrats in Congressional elections. Most importantly, it would help Democrats realize that being truly progressive is not a career-ender.

[cali]

35. Wrong. The south is simply far, far more conservative.

The number of dems identifying as liberals in South Carolina is a much smaller number than the corresponding number in New Hampshire or Iowa, for instance.

[HubertHeaver]

7. More than a rallying cry, she needs an

exit strategy. When does she graciously quit and throw her enthusiastic support to Bernie?

[metroins]

11. Fantasy nt.

[HubertHeaver]

14. Her exit strategy is a fantasy?

[metroins]

15. You know

As well as I do, no matter what occurs, she is in it to the end.

There are no more runs after this cycle.

There is no dropping out.

[HubertHeaver]

26. That is a good observation.

She is in it for herself and her own ego.

Any runs after this cycle would make her the Harold Stasson of the Democratic Party.

[mahina]

33. Disagree, though neither of us know.

I feel that she believes she will be helping.

No idea what she really thinks.

[pugetres]

9. Does it take a special sort of someone

to think that an even wider spread was a good thing?

[metroins]

12. Explain?

I don't understand your post.

I wanted a narrow margin.

[pugetres]

25. I'm just curious about how you explain the widening margin.

Why is it getting larger rather than narrower?

[metroins]

27. I never offered an explanation

I wanted a smaller margin.

[7wo7rees]

18. I live in the South and have for 40+years. I think just maybe

you might not be quite so sure of what you speak.

I have never seen anything like this and the 1st time I voted was for Ford and a no name "peanut farmer" won
And then there was Ross Perot, and then we got Bush.

Careful where you tread, the plebes may be rising up, metroins. You are quite delightful. Not.

[metroins]

20. Personal attack

I will ignore it, but I live in the south as well.

I have most certainly seen candidates such as Bernie.

They just never win.

I've seen them on the Right and Left be stopped before getting off the ground. Bernie and Ron Paul have similar messages.

[7wo7rees]

23. So sorry if you felt I was personally attacking you.

Because I do not want to be I have refrained many times from any response. I am going way out on a limb here, but I have found many of your posts to be combative and trying to bait many DU'ers. So now yes, I guess that you can call it personal.
I do apologize in advance and please do forgive.
Passions are running high.

[metroins]

29. We're cool

I am combative, but not baiting. I don't know how to bait. A lot of my opinions are wishy washy, so I try to learn from others.

I am new to the forum, but I do love a debate.

We will both try not to get personal.

I haven't alerted on anybody I know of, which I think is the definition of baiting here.

I hope you enjoy your week. May the best candidate win.

[TSIAS]

2. Don't forget Vermin Supreme

He pulled in a handful of votes. About as credible a candidate as Carson, Fiorina, or Christie.

[pugetres]

30. How can I forget when I don't even understand?

What is/who is vermin Supreme?

I want to know!

[joshcryer]

6. Completely routed.

[Binkie The Clown]

13. Hillary did exactly like she did in 2008:

40% went to Hillary and 60% went to non-Hillary

[HubertHeaver]

17. She found the glass ceiling?

Apparently 40% is her upper bound.

[anotherproletariat]

19. At least they're loyal!

Interesting numbers.

[TheBlackAdder]

22. There was some Over/Under thread... Skinner nailed it with Over 60!

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Condescending much? We'll see how that works out for you

[madokie]

31. Thats kicking ass for sure

What rabbit will Clinton pull out of the hat in the morning.
I'm sure she went to bed tonight after having a few too many and will wake up with a bad ass hangover in the morning.

Stay focused Hillary