With 88% of the vote tallied, Hillary is now leading Bernie in New Hampshire

[Cali_Democrat]

New Hampshire:

Bernie 13 delegates

Hillary 15 delegates

15 > 13

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The only thing that matters is the delegate count. As of 1am et and 88% of the vote counted, Hillary is leading in the New Hampshire delegate count:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-02-09#NH-Dem

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. You gotta pull a win out this election, don't you?

How about giving it a rest?

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Nah. I'm just getting started. nt

[iAZZZo]

37. what is "I'm just getting started. nt" nt?

what is nt?

thank you for answer.

[tblue37]

67. "nt" means "no text"--which means there is no message in the post, just the title. nt

[iAZZZo]

93. thank you tblue37 for "nt" explanation

[tblue37]

68. Oh, and "eom"="end of message"=same thing. eom

[iAZZZo]

94. thank you tblue37 for added "eom" = "nt"

[tblue37]

97. You are quite welcome--for both. nt

[PonyUp]

89. It means this:

[reformist2]

75. So basically, Bernie would need 90% of the vote to overcome the Superdelegate advantage...

Kind of makes the whole primary process look a bit un-democratic, no? Maybe even, oh what's the word.... rigged?

[asuhornets]

86. Why can't you accept that a lot of people don't like Bernie...n/t

[JRLeft]

2. Super delegates.

[Cassiopeia]

60. Which are used for spin only at this point.

The majority of SD's will go with the voters choice at the convention.

[Dragonfli]

72. Not when they are purchased, Hilary don't rent shit, not with all the money she has. /nt

[Cassiopeia]

90. Maybe, but I don't see SD's overriding the voters.

It would be the end of the SD's and an implosion of the party. They value power more than they do Hillary.

[Juicy_Bellows]

15. Perfect. Nt

[Bad Thoughts]

5. Ah, fair weather friends! eom.

[bobGandolf]

6. Pure B.S. if that delegate count is correct.

Has anyone else seen this?



New Hampshire:

Bernie 13 delegates

Hillary 15 delegates

15 > 13

[OnlinePoker]

13. Yes...from CNN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511188752

[PowerToThePeople]

7. Fail.

[rufus dog]

8. If that makes you sleep better

In reality she took a beat down, unprecedented in a NH primary in fact.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. The NYT says 13-9 Bernie

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/primaries/new-hampshire

[jfern]

22. Actually it's 15-9 Bernie

They didn't bother to call the last 2 delegates for Bernie

[Kelvin Mace]

84. Ah, thanks.

[basselope]

10. You gotta learn to read the fineprint.

"HuffPost counts unpledged delegates..."

Those delegates can change (much like they did in 2008 when Hilary lost and they COULD have tried to flip it for her, but instead abandoned ship b/c the majority of the PEOPLE had spoken

[Stallion]

16. How Many Super-Delegates Running for Public Office Do You Think Will Switch to Democratic Socialist

especially in South, Midwest and West-I'm sure they can't wait to run with a Social Democrat at the top of the ticket-maybe some in New Hampshire-I doubt it. This is reality-

[Ace Rothstein]

24. It depends on how the rest of the Primaries go.

If Sanders ends up with more votes and Clinton "wins" because of superdelegates then November is going to be a bloodbath.

[cascadiance]

30. How many do you think will vote for a candidate who's LOSING the popular vote in the party...

Do they really WANT to get voted out of office for voting AGAINST a popular democratic choice? FAT CHANCE!

If people WANT a Democratic Socialist, and many would rather have that than the corporatist CRAP we have NOT representing us now in office for either party, they can choose to end their career if they want. Most real democrats won't!

[Stallion]

32. In the West, South and Midwest? Not a Problem

as I said maybe in the East

[Dragonfli]

73. I don't disagree with you often, but since most "super" delegates came out before the primary

I think they are purchased, plain and simple, Hillary has more cash than Thurston Howell III and her corruption is quite well established.

[SwampG8r]

78. To quote the cli tons and the dnc

Who else they gonna vote for?

[CorporatistNation]

80. Nobody Should Want To Run With A CORPORATIST!

A REAL Democrat who has a bit of a European flair economically... should do just fine as the public becomes more fully acquainted with the truth about what Socialist Democratic means.

[leftupnorth]

18. The poster has been around long enough to know that. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Has a convention taken place only you are aware of? Have those super delegates cast their vote?

[7wo7rees]

12. Really? And oh for F's sake! And damn! nt

[whatchamacallit]

14. Can't just let him have this... we gotta read this deranged shit...

[Cali_Democrat]

19. You mean kinda like when Hillary won Iowa and people here questioned the win?

Now you see how it can work both ways?

[jfern]

21. Bernie just beat her 60-38. You can't question that.

[Art_from_Ark]

28. He didn't need any coin tosses to do it, either

[Cali_Democrat]

36. You do realize Bernie actually won those coin tosses

....and they didn't affect the outcome anyway.

[lancer78]

43. but she didnt win

By a 3 to 2 margin in Iowa either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. super delegates

she took a drubbing and if she takes more of these drubbings, supers will quietly switch.

by the way, let's go down this road, let's say that either of the conventions are actually decided with delegates, overturning popular will... ever heard of Chicago '68? I am sure even the party leaders know this.

I am saying this for BOTH parties, the establishment in both is not precisely happy tonight.

[HooptieWagon]

61. I'm pretty sure the DNC doesn't want a repeat of Chicago '68

http://www.history.com/topics/1960s/videos/violence-batters-1968-democratic-convention

And neither to the superdelegates, as they are mostly elected office-holders who have to answer to their constituents on Election Day.

[jfern]

20. OMG, the denial in this OP is epic

Bernie won 15 of the 24 pledged delegates, BTW.

[Peace Patriot]

47. I'm trying to unconfuse myself here.

Bear with me.

Sanders won 60% of the NH vote, Clinton 40% or a bit less. BUT...

The count is 15 delegates for Clinton vs 13 for Sanders, if "super-delegates" are included, but "super-delegates" are unpledged (can vote for anyone; probably pro-Clinton currently; that can change). (Call them soft-pledged?)

Whereas, in pledged delegates (delegates who must, by the rules, vote for their candidate at the convention on the first round of voting, at least), that's what Sanders won tonight: He won 15 pledged delegates; Clinton won 9 (?).

The super-delegate sum seems absurd and wrong. Sanders got SIXTY PERCENT of the vote! He should END UP with MORE delegates than Clinton.

But, of course, that's what our party oligarchs devised for us back in 1982, in order to undemocratize the Democratic Party. Odd to have a Clinton supporter touting this lack of democracy and unfairness, and creating a false and confusing OP headline after so many people voted, and/or worked so hard, today and this week, for that amazing 60% outcome. But then, maybe she's trying to point out how unfair and wrong it is that Clinton, who lost so big, ends up with more delegates (even if a few are only probable, or "soft&quot ?

That's it, surely! She wants to end the "super-delegate" oligarchy!

[jfern]

50. Bernie won pledged delegates 15-9

The superdelegates will change when they see the writing on the wall like they did in 2008.

[Live and Learn]

23. You do know that super-delegates can change their mind don't you. I predict they will in mass

once they see what the people want. Especially, if they want to keep their own jobs. Those super-delegate chickens ain't hatched yet. I wouldn't count too much on them! Feel the Bern!!!

[Kall]

25. It's as if you think Hillary would ever

in a million years be able to hold the party together and win a general election, if she used super delegates to override pledged delegates.

That's really cute.

[jkbRN]

26. Hahaha, is there a reason you didn't post the NH voting results

as well as failing to differentiate between super delegates and delegates attributed to voting?

Yeah, there's a reason--this isn't a spin room.

[Cali_Democrat]

33. The New Hamshire voting results are at the link

Try clicking.

[morningfog]

27. Such a sad little poster.

[HassleCat]

29. Very true

This illustrates how difficult it is to put the democracy back in the Democratic Party. We have been doing things a certain way for 35 years, and it will be difficult to change direction now.

[Lorien]

31. The NYT says that Bernie has 13 and Hillary has 9

right column: http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/bernie-sanders-wins-every-demographic-group/?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Bonobo]

34. I think we should keep this kicked. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

38. That would be up to me since I created the thread.

I have the final decision about whether or not this thread remains kicked because I created it.

[Bonobo]

39. How so? Kick. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

40. Come on....you're smarter than that

at least I thought you were.

Think about it.

[Bonobo]

41. Oh you mean you can delete it right?

I probably would. It's kinda embarrassing.

Kick.

[TheBlackAdder]

45. Another devolving OP.

[Cali_Democrat]

46. I won't, but I have the option

That's what I meant when I said I have the final say.

BTW, look at my OP and tell me if anything is actually inaccurate.

[Bonobo]

48. Sure. It's currently Sanders 13 to Hillary 9. So you're wrong. Kick. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

49. Read my op again and also click the link.

I never distinguished between pledged and super delegates.

So, what in my op is inaccurate?

[Bonobo]

52. Kick. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

54. So you can't point to anything in my OP which is inaccurate?

[Bonobo]

56. Sorry, I did below. Sanders is ahead 13-9 in the NH Primary. Kick. nt

[morningfog]

71. Exactly that. Flame bait.

[left-of-center2012]

35. Must be that Wall Street math n/t

[Dawson Leery]

42. Those SD's are not going to Bernie.

[TheBlackAdder]

44. Just Like Tea Party & Grover Norquist Tax Pledges... A "Loyalty Oath" Hamstrings Politicians. nt

[jeff47]

91. Because they want to lose their own elections?

Sanders just beat Clinton by the largest margin in NH primary history.

Those superdelegates won't stay in office long if they go against that.

[Bonobo]

51. Come on. I thought YOU were more intelligent than that.

Google it. Bernie is ahead 13-9.

Kick.

[Matariki]

53. Cool story bro, here's a picture of a bunny with a pancake on it's head

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. Cold comfort there, Cali Dem: A more resounding electoral ass-kicking I cannot recall

Taunting people with the delegate count when you know full well six of those delegates could switch in a hot minute is very poor form.

Let the winners have their night. They earned it.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. Well...why didn't they let Hillary supporters have their night when she won

more pledged delegates?

In fact, they're still claiming it was a bogus result. Even right here in this thread.

I suppose I'm returning the favor.

[noiretextatique]

64. She barely won Iowa, and she just got trounced in NH

If and when she wins by a 28 point margin, I will give her credit. Not much credit is deserved for Iowa.

[cali]

82. Go to the back of the class.

There is a yuuge difference between winning by a quarter of a percent and winning by 20+ percent.

[TSIAS]

57. That's the long game

If Clinton continues to struggle to connect, super delegates won't matter at all.

What does it say that 99 % of endorsers are for Clinton, yet some national polls have the race 50/50?

If it makes you feel any better, congratulations on your great triumph in New Hampshire. I hope you are able to celebrate many more evenings of comparable success.

[Kalidurga]

58. Kick.

[HooptieWagon]

62. Kick for exposure of silliness.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. 49 TIMES.

[tblue37]

65. Do you really think saying that it doesn't matter if the "little people" vote for the other guy,

because Hillary's got the backing of the power brokers is a good message to harp on, considering the mood of the electorate this campaign season?

That is exactly what has the voters so riled up--i.e., the fact that only those with money and power have any influence on our elected officials, and ordinary people are simply ignored no matter how much effort we put into trying to get our voices heard.

[Bonobo]

66. Kick nt

[TheBlackAdder]

69. If HRC did any worse, she would have pulled behind Vermin Supreme, yet still getting 6 delegates. nt

[mhatrw]

70. Biggest margin ever in a NH Dem primary.

And you are bragging about the same rigged system that led Clinton to this historic beatdown.

Talk about tone deaf.

[MrMickeysMom]

74. I'm so happy that you are skilled in your numbers...

You should keep that skill set going and keep checking back with everyone, dear.

[vercetti2021]

76. *Clears throat*

BAWHAHAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

[moriah]

77. Oh God, please don't start the Superdelegates Are Evil arguments....

...

Fine print:

HuffPost counts unpledged delegates who have publicly stated their intent to vote for a candidate.

Aka superdelegates, aka people who many in the party feel make it suck. Please. Stop. They can still change their minds at the Convention if Hillary asks them to, or they feel it's fair because of the rest of the nation voting the other way.

[islandmkl]

79. to quote Jim Mora: 'You think you know, but you don't know....and you never will."

however...if THAT was a resounding victory for Hillary last night then by all means...celebrate

[cali]

81. Ack. Sad. Your epic meltdown is something

[asuhornets]

85. Awesome!!!!!! n/t

[B Calm]

87. New Hampshire voted for Bernie. If the super delegates go against them, we can say this election is

Republicans to lose.

[speaktruthtopower]

88. The front page of the NYT...

had nothing suggesting the magnitude of the Sanders victory or why it happened. Just a graphic with the delegate count from Iowa and NH.

[Cheese Sandwich]

92. Even when we win the vote we lose the election. And that's why we need a revolution.

[Fearless]

95. It's 15-9 my dear Duer.

Ignorance of when superdelegate votes are made is laughable at this stage in the game.

Clearly you are misleading on purpose.

Shame on you.

[hifiguy]

96. Welp, THERE's democracy in action.

Votes don't count in Clintonland.

[Bluenorthwest]

98. 15 Bernie, 9 Hillary. Those delegates you claim are committed are just committed at this point.

In 08 50 of them shifted from Hillary to Obama in a single day.