Chris Hayes: Hillary has no message, Bernie's campaign is stellar

[cui bono]

He listed the things Bernie was running on, like 4-5 things, then said Hillary is running on "I will do a great job. I know what needs to be done and I will do a great job at it." But doesn't say anything about what she plans to do. He said she has no message. Not at all.

Then he said Bernie's campaign is the best run campaign out of all of them this year. Everything about it is top notch, ground game, message, everything.

They know the people have spoken and I think they don't want to end up on the wrong side of history and become completely irrelevant.

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[valerief]

1. Bernie's been running this campaign for 40 years. His message hasn't changed.

And it's still true today.

[neverforget]

3. +1000

[onecaliberal]

4. ^^That^^

[virtualobserver]

8. I'm glad that he finally decided to take it national

He's bad. He's nationwide.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. Go Bernie!

[TDale313]

10. Even moreso.

This is the moment when America needs and is maybe finally ready to hear his message.

[JudyM]

23. Yes. Pity that it took such a high level of corruption and greed to get to this point. So many lives

Devastated.

I want him to create a new cabinet position for Gore to head up a climate change task force.

[white_wolf]

30. I was thinking O'Malley.

The man seems to be smart, principled and really passionate about dealing with climate change. I saw that in the town hall debate in Iowa and he immediately became my second choice after Sanders.

[JudyM]

32. They could tackle it together. That would be amazing.

[artislife]

60. O'Malley impressed me on Climate and how he stood

up for a wide variety of minorities. I was touched how supportive he was of Muslims. It can't be easy living here while being a practicing Muslim.

[Volaris]

39. That would be awesome if only to watch the Dittoheads all lose their shit for 4 years lol.

bwahahahaha what an excellent idea.

[DmonCeede]

40. Oh, that's the best!

Sanders side eye! Next year, at this time, we will be under the Sanders Administration. I bet Wall St. smells like poo-gas tonight!

[Uncle Joe]

15. Precisely.

[Live and Learn]

35. So true. The people finally caught up to him. Feel the Bern!! nt

[Trajan]

2. Hillary has no message ...

No matter how hard we tried ...

[Punkingal]

5. They finally see what is going on...took them too long, though.

[cui bono]

7. They were hoping we wouldn't notice. n/t

[TCJ70]

6. Her campaign sounds like Trumps...

...when it's described like that.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

17. The Republicans have no plans either.

What are you going to replace Obamacare with? ((CRICKETS))

[Spitfire of ATJ]

62. Same thing but it excludes black people.

[Lorien]

29. It is lik Trump's. Her's is "I'm different because I'm a woman!"

Trump's is "I'm different because I'm a rich outsider who says whatever dumbass thing that pops into my mind!" There's no "there" there. Lots of hand waving "we'll do great things!" but no game plan, no specifics. They both hope to coast on name recognition and media exposure.

[regnaD kciN]

11. Actually, Hillary DOES have a message, which is...

..."I'm a woman -- elect a woman President, and everything will change. And, if you don't agree, you're a sexist."

[840high]

14. ..+1

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. +2! n/t

[closeupready]

64. Yes, that is it. She stands up as if someone called her number, and

anyone who competes for the job is being 'unfair', engaging in 'artful smears', 'sexist', etc. THAT really IS the sum total of her campaign. Because, can't you see, it's HER TURN??? If you can't, you're a misogynist!

And the reason she has no plan for anything is that she can't do ANYTHING without first consulting with her campaign donors, who will then tell her what her plans are.

[7wo7rees]

12. K n R. Plus 1 million. nt

[jeff47]

13. What could she run on?

Her entire attack on Sanders is "you can't get any of that done".

Problem is, no Democrat can get anything done. So if she starts pushing any of her proposals in a serious way, she runs into her own rhetoric. Expanding the ACA will not pass the body that just voted to repeal it more than 60 times.

[valerief]

19. I don't know how many times I've heard Childrens Defense Fund tonight.

She'll go with FOR THE CHILDREN.

[Beartracks]

43. Nah. She says she can work with Republicans!

But I suppose that means she'd negotiate from the middle, like Obama did far too often. Problem is, if THAT is how you define "a progressive who can get things done," then a) you are not a progressive, and b) the things you "get done" will also not be very progressive.

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[senz]

18. I think you're right about them not wanting to be irrelevant

but it's been more than disappointing to see them rooting for Hillary and ignoring Bernie all this time. I used to think Chris Hayes shared my basic outlook; now he's beginning to look like an opportunist.

[restorefreedom]

20. chuck todd just said

in ten seconds he can tell you exactly what bernie is running for. he said he can't do that for hillary. and he tried.

[Leaseoption]

21. She's a woman. That's what she's running on. n/t

A doomed strategy from the start.

[R B Garr]

22. Haha, now MSNBC is kooL again!

Chris Hayes has been a Bernie talker-upper for awhile. But that's fine. I'm not going to start a petition to get him off the air.

[HassleCat]

24. You can bet she will

She is not stupid and she has loads of political experience. She knows what's wrong with her campaign. It's not negative enough. We got some indication of the new direction this past week, when she took a couple direct shots at Sanders, and her campaign went after him more aggressively. This was not successful, so expect to see a much more negative approach in the next week or so. This is what politicians do when they feel pressured.

Another tactic would be to concentrate on issues, to tell people exactly what she wants, and how she will go about getting it. So far, it's been a lot of, "I can get things done, and I'm the only one who can." If she combines a focus on the issues with a negative campaign, the approach will be both more specific and more negative. For example, "I can get guns out of the hands of criminals and Senator Sanders won't even try." Something like that.

Sanders has to keep aiming at a political revolution, the idea that he will work for a government with a much different emphasis than what we experienced in the last 35 years. As a progressive, he has to sell people on the idea that government can do things, even big things, for the people. And he has to convince voters that the federal government can accomplish things such as reform of city police departments. Some of this will be a tough sell in a nation accustomed to the idea that the federal government is useless and powerless to change things, but many people seem to be tired of the Reagan legacy and the notion that we pay taxes to help widen the wealth gap. We'll see if there is some kind of tipping point approaching. If so, we will have President Sanders. If not, it will be President Clinton.

[cui bono]

27. You didn't bring up the main point of his campaign...

to get govt out of the hands of Wall Street. That resonates with voters right now. They know what's up. He is showing them with his campaign how he can do it. Who thought someone could outraise Hillary on small donations without a Super Pac? No one. He's doing it.

With that as an example, the people can have faith that he is true to his word and will continue to accomplish what people think is impossible. He believes you shoot for what you want and he will do that. I don't think he has all that much convincing to do. Democrats in general don't feel govt can't do anything, that's the Republican schtick.

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[Jarqui]

25. I think they were saying something like that on CNN as well

Someone else said (could have been MSNBC) "I asked the Clinton campaign what they stand for or what this campaign is about and they can't tell me. But I know what Bernie stands for and what he's about."

Someone else (paraphrased) "Hillary is like Ted Kennedy when they asked him why he was running for president" (Ted fumbled and couldn't provide much of an answer)

Someone else remarked about the two speeches tonight. Hillary's was full of "I .. , I ..., T .." and Bernie's was full of "We ..., We ..., We ..." I think that's roughly a fair observation - that's how Hillary's speeches come off.

Hillary is probably Washington's top academy award winning political actress. But her shine pales when she's beside someone who is authentic. Hillary comes off as first and foremost about Hillary. Bernie comes off as if he sincerely cares and I think he does.

Saw a Black voter in one of the network undecided groups. He made up his mind to support Bernie after his speech. When they asked him why, he said because of what Bernie said he'd do for reducing the incarceration of Blacks and Latinos. He said something like "I think he really meant it" As smooth as she can be sometimes, Hillary doesn't deliver that and I suspect it's because it isn't really there.

[cui bono]

28. The "I, I, I..." I believe was Van Jones.

I was listening to it online a bit at work, then in the car on the way home so I wasn't watching but I'm sure that was him.

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[MFM008]

26. They have almost the same message

Their campain speeches were similar, except for all the free stuff Sanders was promising that will never get through a double GOP congress.

[cui bono]

31. No, they don't. Hillary is now saying what Bernie has been saying because she sees it's working.

But it won't work for her because people know she doesn't mean it. If she did she would have been saying that all along. Plus she can't bring herself to not make this about her. She still keeps saying "I" all the time where as Bernie always says "we".

Her message the last month has been "No, we can't" and "Vote for me, I'm a woman and I can do this." But we don't know what she wants to do, especially since she keeps saying we can't do anything. Just like you just did. Negativity will never inspire enthusiasm. And that's why Bernie is getting all the enthusiasm and momentum. He energizes people, he makes them feel we can achieve our goals, we can dream and go after it. Then as we work towards it, bit by bit it will come to pass if we work together and stand strong together.

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[Aldo Leopold]

41. Great response.

That last sentence was especially beautiful.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

50. WOW - someone is not listening to what Sanders says

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[artislife]

61. She's for incremental change and he is not

I don't think we can kick the can further down the road. We ran out of road.

On so many issues

Mainly, the damn planet. I am glad I don't have kids. I fear for the future and how it will play out. I just remember hearing the one scientist saying we waited too long, we waited too long.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

33. "...they don't want to end up on the wrong side of history and become completely irrelevant."

Too late.

[Duckfan]

34. I like the one about Bernie living a lavish lifestyle somewhere in Florida

Or was that the Hamptons?

This is simply laughable.

[zentrum]

36. Bernie doesn't

… see it as his turn.

He sees it as our turn.

[renate]

54. yup--exactly

And he's been working for 40 years for it to finally come true.

[abelenkpe]

37. No message

Is what the Democratic Party had during the midterms. Well except "We're not republicans"

[gordyfl]

38. Hillary Has a New Message -- In Her Concession Speech

Hillary's Concession Speech

In tonight’s concession speech, Hillary Clinton made grand declarations of her desire to get all the dirty money and secret Wall Street influence the hell out of politics. Which is to say, Hillary Clinton really wants Hillary Clinton out of politics.

Clinton started off by attempting to brush recent concerns about her Goldman Sachs connection under the rug, saying, “Now, Senator Sanders and I both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics.

Anyway, Hillary goes on:

We also agree that Wall Street can never be allowed to once again threaten Main Street. And I will fight to rein in Wall Street—and you know what? I know how to do it!

Yes, Hillary. We know you know how to do it. And you’ve got the money to prove it.

Video at link...

http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-wants-hillary-clinton-out-of-politics-1758184722

[Volaris]

42. except wall street didnt just threaten main street,

so much as murder it and eat its babies. The time for countering threats are past...this about JUSTICE now, and the Proper use of the fury of Hobbes' Leviathian.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN, BERNIE!!!

[mhatrw]

45. She said, "I will fight to reign in Wall Street!"

because that she definitely knows how to do

[Warren DeMontague]

48. A Hillary supporter actually posted that sentence a while back, with that spelling, un-ironically.

it was just too classic.

[Divernan]

55. Yes, it's "rein" in, as in rein in a horse; not "reign" in as the Queen.

It's a sad commentary on American education that so many people hear a phrase, don't know the origin of it, and therefore misspell a key word.

And for those who don't ride, to rein in a horse, is to bring a horse under control and/or slow it down.

Another commonly seen, incorrect phrase is "towing" the line, which should be "toe the line."

Meaning: To conform to an established standard or political program.

Early examples of 'toe the ...' have a nautical connection. In the 19th century, sailors were expected to prepare themselves for group punishment by standing in formation on deck and 'toeing the line' between boards - also called 'toeing the crack'. This usage is the earliest that I've found for 'toe the line' in print - from The Edinburgh Literary Journal, January - June 1831:

"The matter, therefore, necessarily became rather serious; and the whole gang of us being sent for on the quarter-deck, we were ranged in a line, each with his toes at the edge of a plank, according to the orthodox fashion of these gregarious scoldings, technically called toe-the-line matches."

Whatevs! It's a great night to be a Bernie Sanders supporter!

[Warren DeMontague]

59. I know.

I posted a picture of a crown, and I think they figured it out!



The one that drives me buggy is "loose" in place of "lose". I see that WAY too much.

Also slightly grating on me this cycle is the too-often misuse of the apostrophe with Bernie Sanders- like "Bernie Sander's campaign". Who is Bernie Sander?

[Akamai]

44. Thom Hartmann today asked former Arkansas governor what

Hillary's basic messages were -- he liked the question posed today by Scarborough who said Bernie's messages were clear -- the system is rigged, break up the banks, wealth inequality is a huge problem -- but Gov Pryor did not identify any messages were other than Hillary is the most qualified for the position.

But what motivates her? Gov Pryor did not say.

[Art_from_Ark]

63. David Pryor was the governor just before Bill Clinton

I imagine he is pretty close to the Clintons, so I wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

[merrily]

46. About damned time. IMO, Chris Hayes has been one of the most biased of the MSNBC

talking heads, second only Chris Matthews.

Some new instructions must have come down from NBC News.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Hillary's message is "vote for me because I'm Hillary"

her supporters have also added important issues-oriented messages like "don't talk about policy, look over there- berniebros!"

[ashling]

49. Wait a minute,

that's Trumps message.

[jillan]

56. Actually pretty close to Bernie's except Trump's is for white people only.

[mikehiggins]

51. Hayes mentioned Bernie Sandwich on the air today.

Is that something new?

Make mine a Reuben...pastrami with sauerkraut and ranch dressing on dark bread.


Ummmm...

[CentralMass]

52. Thumbs up to the campaign, awesome job.

[SoapBox]

53. Bernie's campaign is brilliant.

[Fawke Em]

57. This thread makes me know why I've barley slept or eaten in days!

The message is clear and I'm fine.

[anotherproletariat]

58. I've learned a lot from Chris Hayes, but...

...He can't be too predictably for Bernie, or it turns off just the people who need to be getting the progressive message. My dad is a great example. He won't watch Chris Hayes anymore because he says it's all Bernie, all the time. Then whenever I talk up Bernie, my dad accuses me of only listening to Hayes. I told him that MSNBC in the evening is programmed as opinion shows, not news shows, but still...

[Kurovski]

65. Is a barley sleep the thing you do on a grainy day?

[ecstatic]

66. That's nice, but why are B's supporters trying to have it both ways with MSNBC?

When anyone on MSNBC fails to give Bernie a glowing compliment, they're a shill who's either been paid or forced by Comcast to push Clinton on unsuspecting viewers.

When one of them says something nice about Bernie, then suddenly everything is fine and MSNBC is fair and credible. Lol.