Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Perot & Kerry

[Mutiny In Heaven]

If these former Presidents hadn't been adjudged to have won the first debate, they might never have reached the White House!

[elleng]

1. !!!

[woolldog]

2. But I don't recall any of the incumbents those guys faced

losing so the debate so badly.

[FrenchieCat]

3. That's your opinion......

you, the right wing, and the instant reactionaries.

Good luck with that!

[BlueStater]

11. Did you even watch Dumbya's performance in the first debate in 2004?

You seriously think Obama did worse than that?!

[politicasista]

4. Wow. Senator Kerry must still really scare people

enough to be hated on for trying to help Obama.

Thanks Obama, for showing more respect for Senator Kerry than people ever will.

[Mutiny In Heaven]

6. Who "hated" on Kerry?

He was a challenger who easily won the first debate against an incumbent President yet went on to lose the election. Not sure how that implies hatred.

[politicasista]

9. This dude and his followers

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/253682688177893377


Hope that Team Obama/Biden is aware that Obama wasn't the only one who took abuse tonight.

[karynnj]

12. You really seek these things out!

Michael Moore has been anti Kerry since Kerry did not endorse or praise his F911 back in 2004. The fact is that that film likely moved almost no one to vote for Kerry. Like the antiObama film this year, the people who went to see it were extreme partisans.

What it did was to allow things like Laura Bush essentially refusing to condemn the SBVT liars - saying that people were saying bad things about Bush too. The fact is that Bush had links to the SBVT, Kerry had no links to Michael Moore.

As to the op, the connection between all the people listed is that they were said to win the first debate in some year and did not become President. Kerry in fact won all three. (Bush is not here because he did become President and won debate 1 in 2000; Gore is not here because he lost it. )

As to blaming Kerry for Obama's performance, NO previous coach was ever blamed. Here, Obama was very prepared with excellent points on his own programs and Romney's. The fact is that he, not Romney, had the zingers that actually hit. Those are things his team (including Kerry) likely helped on.

The criticism seems to be that Romney was the more aggressive - and he was. However, even if the team could have created an aggressive Obama - talking over others and being rude, do you really think that would have worked? I suspect if he did that the story would have been that Obama was not really likable (a major asset of his) and that he did not seem Presidential.

The real question for voters is still which of two very different sets of policies do they prefer and who do they like the best. I don't really see how Romney moves up on either of these points.

[politicasista]

13. It was a thread here that looked like blame at Kerry

for what happened to Obama tonight (or yesterday) and was just commenting and saw that people were saying in that link and others who could have been better.

IT that the Senator gets a bad rap for being a good debater, but didn't win. He isn't red hot fire-breather like the ones here (though the DNC speech was good!) and didn't "win" the presidency like the "fighters", so he doesn't count. (But Team Obama thinks otherwise.). Rudeness would not have helped Obama because it would have looked like Obama was ABM (Angry Black Man). Not a M. Moore fan and he been extreme with with the Anti-Kerry, Anti-Obama/Dem, Anti-Gore garbage, so have to remember a motive before venting off next time.



Excellent post. Will go back in the DU cave now.

[karynnj]

15. I almost added the ABM piece, but was not sure how it would be seen

if I posted that to you. A friend posted this on facebook - http://angryblackladychronicles.com/2012/10/03/debates-ultimately-its-not-good-news-for-mitt-romney/ More colorful than I could ever write - and I hope it proves true.

In addition, many papers are saying there were no major blunders or gaffes - so no game changer. This shows how low the bar was set for Romney - Even allowing him to deny the tax plan that he spent 18 months pushing AND WHICH IS STILL ON HIS WEB SITE:

Reform The Nation’s Tax Code To Increase Growth And Job Creation.


Reduce individual marginal income tax rates across-the-board by 20 percent, while keeping current low tax rates on dividends and capital gains. Reduce the corporate income tax rate – the highest in the world – to 25 percent.


Broaden the tax base to ensure that tax reform is revenue-neutral

http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/08/mitt-romneys-plan-stronger-middle-class01

Go down to

The Romney Program for Economic Recovery,Growth, and Jobs - it is on page 3

(I could get a link to just the paper by clicking on it, but it doesn't say it is from the Romney site.)

Given that this is on his site, it is no small wonder that President Obama's team actually thought it was his plan!

[politicasista]

18. Makes sense n/t

[tavalon]

5. This is called spin

Look it up. The lamestream media needs this to be an Obama loss or the advertising dollars go phhhhttttttt.

Thanks for your concern but it ain't no thing. Our candidate can see the long view and has an especial fondness for rope a dope. While you're looking up "spin", feel free to look up ""rope a dope".

[AverageJoe90]

14. They've had it in for him forever, really.

It's all about the money. No candidate behind in the polls surged way ahead thanks to a single debate alone.

[tavalon]

7. Former Presidents?

Do you have google? I think that your posts is factually challenged. Try to guess why?

[woolldog]

8. Youre completely missing the OPs point.

[Grown2Hate]

10. Precisely. Point is, they were all thought to have "won" their debates, and yet LOST

the election. Great post. Using the sarcasm smilie would only weaken the impact.

[AverageJoe90]

16. I get it now! nt =D

[Swagman]

17. well put . I just watched the debate here in Australia and the claim Romney 'won'

and Obama 'lost' is greatly exagerated in my view.

Slick and smooth is not the same as truth.

I'd be very surprised if the debate shifted anyone either way.