So, how well does Bernie need to do in South Carolina?? Could he even *gasp* win SC??!!

[reformist2]

My goal for Bernie: 40%+ in South Carolina. If he can win SC, it may all be over.

[stillwaiting]

1. Let's win NV first. That will add even more momentum. nt

[HerbChestnut]

3. Agreed.

NV first. A strong showing there could give Bernie momentum going into SC.

[Duckhunter935]

8. yep, that would be awesome

[Ferd Berfel]

28. Yes He Can!

[Motown_Johnny]

2. Yep, SC is the prize now.

Nevada counts too though. It is next Thursday. Closed caucus.


Winning there helps keep the momentum gained tonight.

[ljm2002]

41. Nevada Democratic Caucuses are February 20...

...a Saturday. Republican caucuses are February 23, a Tuesday.

South Carolina Republican primary is Saturday, February 20, and the Democratic primary is Saturday, February 27.

Just to keep the record straight.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. My bad, thanks for correcting me.

I really should look up dates before posting. (DUH!)

[ljm2002]

46. It doesn't help that the schedules are weird...

...with different dates for the Democratic and Republican contests.

I thought ours was Feb. 20 but I Googled to be sure about the rest of the dates!

[basselope]

4. If he wins NV it is probably over... if he somehow wins SC, it is officially over. nt.

[uponit7771]

6. Sanders can win all 50 states but if his numbers are still near where the GOP numbers are

... with PoC then we lose the general.

Clinton doesn't have that issue with the general dem electrorate

[basselope]

14. He split the minority vote with Clinton tonight nearly 50/50.

I think Dr. Cornell West said it best, "African Americans just don't know brother Bernie yet".

Bernie has some very powerful allies in the minority communities.. as they hear his message and learn what he is about, I do not fear him winning their vote.

As for the general election... exactly which racist schmuck would any PoC vote for over Sanders?

[uponit7771]

20. NH is not where he is with PoC in the SEC states, NH is different

[virtualobserver]

27. give Bernie a couple of weeks

[basselope]

34. The main difference is that they have gotten to know him in New Hampshire.

Clinton has a huge advantage of name recognition, strong establishment ties and having campaigned in these areas before.

What is it about Sanders message that isn't going to resonate in the SEC states? Or better yet, what is it about Clinton's message that makes her case more compelling to PoC in the SEC states?

[mythology]

36. One major difference is time

Sanders won't have the same amount of time to focus on each of the Super Primary states. Sure he doesn't need to spend too much time on Vermont, but there are so many states that it's hard to fit as much in as he would like.

If he can build on tonight's victory in either Nevada or South Carolina, maybe that momentum buys him enough buzz, but those are also more moderate voters in those primaries. It's a different audience not just based on race.

Nevada will be interesting. Unfortunately it's another caucus state, which should be a thing of the past in my opinion.

[uponit7771]

37. Sanders spent 3 months in IA & lost PoC by 25%, PoC knew Sanders in IA ...

... and his numbers are near GOP in SEC states less than one month out.

This isn't a matter of just knowing Sanders, we'll se

[basselope]

40. And he improved to 50/50 in NH.

[uponit7771]

42. Sanders is from VT right? tia

[basselope]

49. So? Not sure the point?

As PoC have gotten to know him his popularity has grown.

[cui bono]

68. Um, Hillary is from NY.

[uponit7771]

69. Isn't VT closer!? :-) It was a good win for Sanders, numbers were higher than expected and I'm ...

... wondering which polling schemes got close this time.

I didn't see a 20+ point loss for Clinton, Sanders has a machine that could work for him...

On to SEC states, once the electorate gets more diverse that's where Sanders will have more of a struggle, he makes it there then we'll have a socialist as president...

I can't see him losing to Trump, I think that's why it's such a contentious battle now.

[2pooped2pop]

15. And Bernie doesn't have possible indictments

[uponit7771]

21. In the real world neither does anyone of the other candidates

[2pooped2pop]

30. Certainly should

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1180387

Or is this shit OK too? If she sold shit while sos what the fuck will she sell for donations to her foundation as Potus

[morningfog]

16. He beat Hillary with people of color tonight.

[kenfrequed]

26. Do you honestly think...

That people of color will suddenly decide to just toss the election because a wealthy white woman doesn't win the nomination?

Wow.

[2pooped2pop]

32. No we believe that Hillary has over estimated her poc support

Last edited Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Many of us are just now realizing what the Clinton Years did to us, that probably includes poc.

[uponit7771]

54. No, if Sanders keeps swinging with Obama haters they may feel they'll get nothing different in the

... end.

Now Sanders has another Obama hater Belafonte as a saroggate!!!

WTH!!

[JRLeft]

50. If he's the nominee he will receive normal POC votes.

[uponit7771]

52. Like Kerry did?

[Joe the Revelator]

7. I agree, when NV and its all over but the crying.

[JudyM]

38. Hey Joe... Kinda rubbing it in... Makes me feel bad and I'm not even in her camp.

[enigmatic]

33. Bernie's going to win NV most likely

The South Carolina primary is going to be the one that decides this race, no matter if if goes past Super Tuesday, which it will.

If Bill Clinton wants David Brock to throw the kitchen sink at Bernie, Hillary will lose. The ugliness they threw at Obama in 2008 will come back to haunt them in 2016. It won't work.

If I were advising Hillary I would tell her to tell Bill and Brock to go away and let her just shed the focus groups, the dirty tactics, the condescending surrogates entirely and just, for one in her political life, be herself. I believe deep down that she is a good person but her political aspirations (like so many before her) has bricked over any ideals and convictions she's had in the past.

Let her show the Democratic Party voters (as well as the undecided that would never vote for her otherwise) that she is a real person and they will listen, even if if it's out of curiosity. And there's a chance to sawy them if you've got their attention.

If Bernie does win the nomination and the Presidency, don't be shocked to see Hillary get nominated to the Supreme Court w/ the first vacancy. And I think she wouls be great there, as well as a reliable Liberal vote.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. Why not Bernie?

[Bonobo]

9. Spin, baby, spin! Disco inferno! nt

[HereSince1628]

10. If he wins SC, I think there is no fire wall, there's no fire break

Super tuesday may look like Berning Man.

[Yurovsky]

12. Please please please ...

If Bernie could put HRC away early, he could save his money and let the GOP destroy each other for the next 5 months.

That's a tall order, as she's got millions in Wall Street/Corporate $$$. Hopefully people power wins the day.

[HereSince1628]

17. He's got millions, too. More now than an hour ago. She is not thrifty.

[lasttrip]

11. One state at a time

Bernie is gearing up for SC now.
He intends to cover the entire state.
He is in it to win it.
Thanks for the post reformist.
Peace.
LT

[earthside]

13. New Hampshire is a dramatic victory.

And Hillary is hollow.

The momentum shift could be enormous.

A lot is going to depend upon how effectively the Sanders campaign exploits this very, very significant win in New Hampshire.

Sanders could win everything from here on out.

I don't think the Hillary Clinton campaign nor the Democratic Party establishment nor the Clinton banister backers have a clue about how economically distressed most of us are in this country. It is not that we want change -- we absolutely have to have change or we are not going to survive.

Actually, I wonder if even the Sanders campaign fully comprehends how much his message resonates with so many people.

[reformist2]

18. I feel similarly - it's not really a choice. We don't merely want change, we have to have it!

Sadly, people like Hillary think elections are all about them and their life stories.

We don't care about their personal stories anymore. We want them to get in there and do something!

[NowSam]

35. you hit the nail on the head

It's change or perish now for most people. They need dramatic change and Bernie is offering bold dynamic changes to level the playing field and reshape the landscape.

[CajunBlazer]

19. Clinton has as big a lead in the polls in Nevada as Bernie had NH

And the polls indicate that Bernie is 30 or more points behind in SC. Most of that is the minority vote and while the SC race has tightened a few percentage points over the last few months the minority vote has not budged an inch and very unlikely to do so going forward. They appear to be locked on on Clinton just as they were on Obama in the last to elections.

Time is also a factor. Bernie has spent most of his time in Iowa and NH up until now and not much time Nevada and South Carolina. Bennie spent months in Iowa and only convinced 30% of voters to vote for him. He will only have 10 days in Nevada and seven days in SC to convince a heck of a lot more people.

Worst yet Bernie will have only 3 days after SC before 11 states vote Feb. 1st in the "SEC" primaries. 7 of those 11 states are Southern states and he is behind by 30 are more points in most them. Two of those states are Texas and Georgia with huge numbers of delegates and they really don't like Bernie in those two states. Bernie is also very far behind in Colorado and Minnesota as well. Bernie will only be favored in tiny Vermont on February 1st.

Enjoy your victory in lily white NH and your near miss in lily white Iowa. The race is about to enter the real world where diversity is a major factor in the Democratic party. Buckle up, you're in for a rough ride.

[reformist2]

22. I don't think there's a state that doesn't like Bernie. Only states that don't know him yet.

If he can get his name and message out there in time, the numbers will move big time.

[morningfog]

23. You are wrong about NV. Under polled and not recent enough.

You'll soon see.

He is also not down 30 in SC. And you, my friend are the one in for a rough ride. You can't quantify the political momentum Bernie has. Sit back and enjoy the show.

[CajunBlazer]

43. CNN Focus Group in South Carolina - Bernie's momentum goes "thud"

CNN had a focus group of approximately 65 undecided Democratic voters who watched Bernie's victory speech where he claimed he would implement every progressive program know to man.

When these 65 people were asked how many had decided who they would vote for tonight, five people raised their hands. When asked who had decided to vote for Sanders one young female student said she had been leaning to Bernie because of his emphasis on helping young people with college debt, but now she was worried about Bernie's ability to implement any of his ideas and was now "more undecided".

Only one person, a middle age black gentleman in suit and tie, said he had decide to vote for Sander's because he had thought that Sanders had been ignoring the black voters, but Bernie mentioned in his speech with passion that he was not.

I guess the other 3 people who decided tonight they would vote for Hillary. If you don't understand why, you don't understand the reluctance of Southerners to follow the lead of "Yankees" in anything.

So much for the belief among the Bernie supporters that a big win in NH will send the people in SC flocking to Bernie. Remember these were 65 undecided voters and not those have already decided to vote for Clinton giving her a 30 point lead in the polls.

[CajunBlazer]

48. And welcome to the real world

These are the last two very recent polls in SC:

NBC/WSJ/Marist 1/17-1/23 Clinton 64 Sanders 27
Clinton +37

CBS News/YouGov 1/17-1/21 Clinton 60 Sanders 38
Clinton +22

And by the way those polls were both canvased with live calls.

Note both of Hillary's are 60% or higher.

As a Southerner myself, I can tell you that the minorities in the South are as devoted to Hillary as they were to Obama and white Southern Democrats are more moderate than their counterparts in Iowa and New Hampshire.

And unlike NH, one has to be a registered Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary.

You're whistling past the graveyard my friend.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Fuck the "lily white" bullshit. This post should be hidden for it.

[JonLeibowitz]

31. Indeed. It seems as if Team Weathervane is actively insulting white voters now. n/t

[CajunBlazer]

51. Why, in both states non-Hispanic make up over 95% of their populations

Your post should be hidden for vulgarity which is much worse than a descriptive term.

But you have made my point, when you guys can't counter a rational arguments you attack some technical element of the post or the poster - it's and old trick to change the conversation, but it is really obvious.

[azmom]

39. Wrong on Nevada. Latinos are feeling the Bern.

Minorities don't owe Hillary shit.

[CajunBlazer]

53. Nice talk potty mouth

Statements don't create facts no matter how crudely they are made.

[azmom]

59. Oops. It's jackshit!

https://3chicspolitico.com/2016/02/06/black-people-dont-owe-hillary-clinton-shit/

[CajunBlazer]

62. 3 Chick Politico????

Yea that reference is very impressive!

[azmom]

65. LOL. Try this one for laughs.

http://www.cajunscomments.com/?doUppSiteBlog

[HooptieWagon]

60. I think Nevadans for Bernie will come through.

Stay tough in those caucuses!

[CajunBlazer]

64. Yep, all 10 of them

[HooptieWagon]

66. Try not to cry in your beer afterwards.

Bernie will be strong in Nevada. There haven't been any polls there in a month, the landscape has changed since then.

[ljm2002]

45. True he only has 10 days before the Nevada Democratic caucuses...

...on Feb. 20; but the South Carolina Democratic primary is on Feb. 27 so that means he has 17 days until that one.

Just for the record.

[CajunBlazer]

55. Only if he manages to be in both states at the same time

[ljm2002]

57. Hey, I know Hillary supporters are smarting tonight...

...so I'll let it slide.

[Voice for Peace]

24. Think I read Harry Belafonte will be berning in SC

That could be beautiful.

[7wo7rees]

29. We are gasping, and we believe it is possible.

We love what Senator Sanders is offering us all, a candidate to truly believe in!

[Beacool]

47. What he needs to do?

Pray...

[NowSam]

56. He can. He just needs to be heard. Tonight helped. A lot!

People will now take a closer look at what he has done and is promising to do and who could possibly disagree with his pin point accurate indictment of the many injustices facing all the people across the boards (Excepting the tip top 1% who are enjoying obscene profits on the backs of everyone else.)

I think he will do really really well. And he must. Because we need him. It is up to us. Turn out is everything. NH proves it.

[HooptieWagon]

58. Sanders is not going to win SC unless there's an earthquake.

He's making up ground, but not quickly enough. Best result is he makes it a respectable loss...just a bump in the road. That's still worth fighting for, as he picks up a few extra delegates. There's plenty more states he can win, but he's not going to win them all. The battle will go all the way to the convention. Stay strong.

[Fearless]

61. They will split the state. Same with Nevada. Nearly 50-50

[Cheese Sandwich]

63. If Bernie can get 30% in SC that would be a huge achievement

[SheilaT]

67. Keep in mind that even if Bernie gets 60% of the vote in SC,

because the delegates are awarded proportionately, it will still not be over. And no matter how well he does, it probably won't be over after Super Tuesday, either. Keep in mind that the Hillary supporters are totally confident she will sweep Super Tuesday. I'm sure they're wrong, but I'm not analyzing what's going on state by state, either.

However, what his detractors don't understand is that he is in for the long haul. He has paid staff in a whole lot of states already, including ones where Hillary has pulled back on staffing, if I'm recalling correctly. He's even had volunteers open offices for him without any official backing or funding from his campaign. That's a big deal.

I suspect it will be even harder for Hillary to understand when she has finally lost this chance to be President. It's going to be vastly more painful this time around because a year ago everyone assumed she was inevitable, even those of us who were in despair at the very thought of her as President. We hoped, and hoped that someone else would jump in. Bernie did. When he announced he was polling in the single digits. Now he's tied with Hillary on a national basis, and we just saw this blow-out in New Hampshire. Let's just build on this victory.