Shocking info from MSNBC

[EdwardBernays]

Hillary has NEVER had her poll numbers go up from where they started in a campaign, says Lawrence O'Donnell.

She peaks at the beginning and just goes go down.

So a come back - which is what MSNBC says she'll need now - would be a huge change from any other campaign she's run.

I can't verify that. But that's what he just said.

[morningfog]

1. I've been saying that since last summer.

[EdwardBernays]

3. Props

For noticing it!

[Jarqui]

55. I've been saying that since 2008!!

and several times this cycle.

Most people know Hillary as she may be the most famous woman in the world. So many have already formed their opinion of her. Unfortunately, it's not all good. A number don't like her or don't trust her (60% of Americans). So it's harder for her to move the needle. She has to overcome long established negatives. Whereas someone largely new to Americans don't start in the hole Hillary is in.

Meanwhile, with all her scandals, flip-flops, etc, the GOP can remind folks and drive or hold those numbers down.

She has a problem. Always has.

[NorthCarolina]

2. I heard Lawrence mention that as well.

To be honest, I am surprised he mentioned it at all. Probably a good thing he wasn't sitting next to Tweety at the time.

[EdwardBernays]

4. Hahaha

Lol

[farleftlib]

9. Tweety just said Hillary lacks

motive, passion and spontaneity! Says she's always on defense and has to change her message!

I had to run to my fainting couch.

[spinbaby]

11. She'd do better as her real self

She comes across as rehearsed and focus grouped to death. If we saw the real Hillary, she'd do much better.

[libdem4life]

28. That's quite an assumption.

[frylock]

36. Yeah, I've never understood that..

what you see is what you get. That IS the real Hillary.

[libdem4life]

37. Maybe we'll never know...and that kind of says it all right there.

[S_B_Jackson]

30. I suspect that SNL will be running a Hillary skit this week...

and it's going to be (deservedly) brutal.

Have family in northern Nevada - and Bernie's sincerity and honesty are tremendous positives - everywhere outside of Clark County.

[tularetom]

31. There isn't a "real" Hillary

[napi21]

32. Yes, that's right. I'm not sure she can do that though.

Think about how often she's been slammed over the years. The Pubs have accused her of every offense possible. The list of accusations is so long, I don't even want to start it. Because of that, she's gun shy. Afraid to say almost anything off the cuff. I can't blame her. Everything she says & does is scrutinized and questioned. Wouldn't YOU be afraid too in that situation?

[dorkzilla]

45. I totally get that, but the real question for me is...

If you know this is going to happen, if you think you're going to getting raked over the coals, and you have been getting that kind of treatment why in God's name would you willingly put yourself through that? If she just retired after a seeming successful run as SOS, she could have just raked in the dough speaking and spending time with your grandchild.

Moreover, if you had any inkling whatsoever that you may run for the highest office in the Land, and you know that the GOP is going to rake you over the coals, wouldn't you go out of your way to avoid anything that looks like a conflict of interest, or thumbing your nose at the rules (home network, and it matters not that other SOS's have done the same, we're supposed to be the ethical party) or quid pro quo? Why set yourself up for innuendo or outright scandal?

[hollysmom]

53. I disagree, if you think you can stand it, go for it but

I think that also brings a lot of negatives to the campaign. The negatives of over 20 years of trashing that family so that even lies are embedded in people's heads. For everyone who says socialist is a burden to overcome, not nearly as much as the missing Rose file, and the death of vince Foster and everything else they have been throwing at both Clintons. Impeachment proceedings would start right away.

And it does not help to add thigns to the campaign like false claims against Sanders and attacking his honor and then insulting all young women and NOT HEARING IT!!! How can she not hear what is wrong, I am 70 years old and I am insulted for young women. Totally tone deaf, every single person in her camp can't hear it but double down????? Amazing.

[JimDandy]

54. She has chased being something other than herself since she *changed*

from a Goldwater girl to a moderately conservative Democrat.

What we're seeing, the weathervane, now is the real Hillary. It would not help if she fired her whole campaign staff, because she cannot fire herself.

[flamingdem]

18. Dang, Tweety has no loyalty

[lob1]

29. I think Tweety heard about the petition against him because

he sure has changed his tune today.

[restorefreedom]

34. its like he had a personality transplant.

he definitely got the memo.

[dorkzilla]

46. It's his usual "whatever way the wind blows"

He's a weathervane too.

[restorefreedom]

48. anhhh yes, he likes to be with the winners.... nt

[glinda]

60. They wouldn't really let him talk much and when Brian asked him

"If you could type anything right now in an assessment of what just happened what would you say (paraphrased)?" and Tweety went right into talking about HRC. No....nothing has changed. Brian cut him off too.

[Dustlawyer]

44. The little bit I saw he couldn't say enough good things about Bernie, maybe

he heard about the petition to get rid of him.

That anchor that hot caught lying (name escapes me) about war zone coverage was very defensive for the network. After Bernie's speech ended, he went on about the long, uninterrupted coverage they just gave Bernie. Then again about the speech being "long."

He just opened a can of Whup Ass in NH and needs to get his message out to those around the country who are just starting to pay attention. He hammered it home!!!

[appalachiablue]

50. I saw that too, amazing for Matthews but accurate.

[Gore1FL]

51. New Message? How about "Hillary! can fix it"??

[John Poet]

61. Actually he said she needs to "get" a message,

'because she doesn't really have one now'


For all the attention he gave her previously,
he was pretty tough on her tonight.

[Wounded Bear]

5. That is an interesting comment...

Would be hard to double check that statement, but it does seem plausible. Frankly, she's never been a very good campaigner, from what I've seen. That factoid supports that argument.

[johnnyrocket]

6. Very interesting. That does jive with 2008, she ran a horrible campaign then...

...no reason it'll be better now.

[neverforget]

7. A mile wide and an inch deep.

She's a known commodity so she has no where to go but down.

[politicaljunkie41910]

19. No, she can go to a place with a more diverse demographic like anywhere. But enjoy your win.

Only 48 states left to go.

[Bjornsdotter]

8. I heard it also

...and I almost fell off the chair.

[ChiciB1]

10. Meanwhile, Over At CNN Someone Is Saying Second Place

winners ALWAYS have a HUGE COME BACK! OMG, what kind of crap is this??? There are ONLY TWO CANDIDATES!

I think his name was Van Jones. I don't watch MSM anymore, and quit MSNBC completely so had to check one of the channels!

[ornotna]

12. Yep

I heard it as well.

[politicaljunkie41910]

13. You mean like the ONE previous campaign she's run. Puh-leeze

So a come back - which is what MSNBC says she'll need now - would be a huge change from any other campaign she's run.

Enjoy your victory tonight. This campaign is just getting started. Pundits need something to talk nonstop about. This is probably the dumbest I've heard.

[EdwardBernays]

14. ummm

2 senate runs and a presidential run...

How much do you know about your candidate??

Seems like snarky is the wrong tone for you to be taking in this conversation...

[politicaljunkie41910]

23. She won the two Senate races. I was trying to fit it on one line initially and left that part out

when I expanded my comment. It had more to do with my keyboard than my knowledge of my candidate.

But enjoy your win.

[libdem4life]

33. She was a carpet bagger. That fix was in before she moved there, IMO.

[Old Crow]

47. Oooh! It was the keyboard's fault!

Hate when that happens.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. Lol. Right?

[Dragonfli]

15. I don't know if that is true, but would not surprise me because of the negative campaigning

She was her own worst enemy against Obama in '08 because of all the nastiness and racist dogwhistles, lies, and shady innuendo. Bill only made that aspect of it worse.

Now that she is openly working with David Brock collaborating directly with her campaign (via a loophole I doubt any other candidate would even get away with), I expect that if what Lawrence says is true, that dynamic will be even more pronounced in this race, especially when you consider she is going up against such a likable and EXTREMELY RARE in consistency regarding policy issues that is Sanders.

It's like being the drunk in the party insulting and trying to call a liar the one guy at the party everyone knows is a nice guy that tells the truth and who has never lied to them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Wow. I missed that. Doesn't sound very promising for her!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[dsc]

17. that is a flat out lie

she gained in her 2000 Senate campaign. She announced her campaign in July of 99, she was at 45/45 vs Guiliani and Lazio, she won 55/43. Even if you use her pre campaign numbers only one poll against G. has her above the 55 and it was 56 and she was lover than 55 in all polls vs Lazio.

[EdwardBernays]

20. Just reporting what was said.

I'll check it out myself tomorrow.

[dsc]

21. I gave you a link

the check out would be second grade (if that) math.

[EdwardBernays]

22. I'm in ireland

It's 3am...

I'll check my it in the morning

[dsc]

25. fair enough

I have to hit the hay too as I get up at 5am (apparently 9am) your time.

[anotherproletariat]

26. It's looking great for Bernie!

I hope this is over soon, so all these fractures in the progressive side can be mended before the general election.

[HooptieWagon]

27. She is well known, and has high negatives.

Not a formula that leads to increasing poll numbers. Once voters realize there is a viable alternative, they leave her in droves.

[frylock]

35. Not gonna happen.

Show's over, folks!

[tblue37]

38. The exact opposite is true for Bernie. nt

[SusanCalvin]

39. KNOCK ON WOOD! nt

[SoapBox]

40. None of that would surprise me.

Camp Weathervane was a mess from the very beginning.

Guess money can't buy smart.

[Gene Debs]

41. Well, if that's actually the case, then it's not so good for her...since one of her biggest

liabilities is a complete and total inability to learn ANYTHING from her past mistakes.

[mckara]

42. She's Done!

Stick a fork in her

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Again,...I'm not worried as she has plenty of time to self destruct.

[jalan48]

49. Make sure exit polls are done, voting machines have been known to have "glitches".

[7wo7rees]

52. Hot fun in the summertime!! nt

[mobeau69]

56. WTF?

Trying to make a contribution right now but the page has been stuck on "Processing Payment" for 20 minutes. Bernie needs the computer guys Obama had or the guys that fixed the Obamacare site.

I wanted a 20% spread but got 21! Way to go Bernie.

[californiabernin]

58. Same problem here. I think ActBlue servers are overloaded.

But I'm not complaining...I'll get in eventually.

[californiabernin]

57. All downhill from here, as the saying goes. n/t

[Trajan]

59. Well ... actually ... That is more or less common knowledge ...

The poll numbers have been relentlessly PRO Bernie .... and the flip side of that same coin is Hillary's precipitous drop ....

If Hillary felt bad after Iowa, I am sure she is feeling even more sour after this.

I wonder what's next for her ? ....