Even if Bernie wins tonight, Hillary is still the front runner, Bernie is still the underdog

[Cheese Sandwich]

Hillary has tons of superdelegates already lined up. She has more money. Plus super pacs. Plus experience running a national campaign. and virtually the entire political party apparatus on her side. She is overwhelmingly dominant with black and hispanic voters. Is one of the most well known people on earth. And has a former president as her top surrogate. Etc.

This is still a David and Goliath story, no matter of what happens in New Hampshire tonight. So let's keep it in perspective because we still have a very uphill battle and Hillary is still the odds on favorite to win the nomination.

Besides which Hillary doesn't deserve the chance to frame her campaign as the underdog campaign. So we probably shouldn't let the expectations get out of control.

[NightWatcher]

1. Remember how Hillary was supposed to beat the black guy with the middle name Hussein?

How'd that work for her?

Whomever gets the most votes, wins. Superdelegates be goddamned to hell.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Understood.

[morningfog]

3. When Bernie wins. They will call it for him shortly.

[Jarqui]

4. Yep

But if the Latinos and Blacks start moving to Bernie - and there's a good chance of that because they don't know Bernie yet, then the money, etc won't matter.

Until then, Hillary has the advantage. But every day, it seems to shrink.

[farleftlib]

5. ain't that the truth

And I expect it to get even uglier, as hard as that is to imagine. But I'm an optimist and Bernie has come so far and generated so much hope and enthusiasm, it's amazing to behold.

[krawhitham]

6. She had tons of superdelegates lined up in 2008 too, how did that turn out?

[PonyUp]

18. Not too good! n/t

[Codeine]

7. "If"? It's when he wins.

I'm a Clinton person and even I can see that coming.

[Maedhros]

8. Agreed. We can't let our guard down.

With every primary win, Bernie will be subjected to ever-escalating denigration by the Democratic Establishment and its mouthpieces in the media.

[mikehiggins]

9. Right. One victory is not going to seal the deal.

I keep pointing out the following because I really think lots of people don't understand it, for some weird (to me at least) reason.

What is coming up?

Just list all the advantages HRC started out with. The media in the tank. Obama. Internationally known name recognition. Millions upon millions of dollars of support from business and special interest groups. Bill Clinton. All the unions. All the feminists. All the LGBT groups. Practically every elected official in the country with a D after his or her name. All of everything. The DLC headed by a crony. Debates set up to give her cover without having to say much about anything.

I'd go on but my typing fingers are beginning to hurt.

Her opponents? A clown car full of ridiculous GOPuke clowns, including another Bush for Christs sake. Four loser Dems including Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chaffee (Who?) and some balding septuagenarian grouchy old Jew originally from Brooklyn who now is somehow a sitting Independent Senator from Vermont who claims the mantle of democratic socialist, like we were living in Denmark or something.

If you were HRC, faced with a life and death contest like that would you lose even a minute of sleep about your chances? So Bernie wins a couple of primaries. The battle is barely begun.

Admittedly, tThe current situation is an unparalleled disaster in political terms for the Establishment. Even Tweetie and the Toad can see it for the train wreck its becoming. HRC most likely will manage to eke out a victory over the course of the next months, and she does have all those SuperDelegates to count on as well, but this campaign of hers can be doing nothing but reassure whichever GOPuke moron she ends up facing in November.

I think the operative term is "hubris."

[RobertEarl]

11. Super delegates

They can vote for whoever they want. Mostly they are elected officials and they will have to answer for their votes if they don't do what the people want. They will be very circumspect at the convention.

The M$M has been ignoring Bernie and the people. So have the republicans. These are the same people who sold us lies on Iraq, so thinking they are wrong again is smart.

Feeling the Bern!

[rocktivity]

10. All those things were true exactly eight years ago.

While Hillary succeeded in helping her top surrogate husband win a presidential campaign twenty-four years ago, they and Debbie Wasserman Schultz (who is now in charge of the entire Democratic primary apparatus) failed at it eight years ago.

It is also true that after the primary contests in Iowa and New Hampshire exactly eight years ago, Hillary had lost one and tied the other. Perspective is a two-way street.


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[SDjack]

12. Bernie has one thing Hillary does not -- the $27 I'm sending to

Bernie tonight.

[plus5mace]

13. So long as Hillary maintains the polling edge, she is the front runner.

I don't consider super-delegates pledges as real given that a political party would be insane to overturn the results of their own elections. That's the kind of thing that can lead to the wrong kind of wave election and possibly a party death spiral (although we've had the same two parties for 150 years so perhaps it's time for a restructuring). But with only two states down, I don't think we'd have enough delegates decided to base front runner status on that metric.

[Xipe Totec]

14. Check

[retrowire]

15. Don't have to tell me twice.

I will not be partying.

The only thing here is just quiet resolve and determination. NH is a given and this is just the beginning.

[Attorney in Texas]

16. true

[liberal_at_heart]

17. I wouldn't say either one is an underdog. Bernie is tying her nationally.

This is going to be one hell of a fight all the way to the nomination.

[hollowdweller]

19. Still up in the air.

I'd give Hillary the edge still but Sanders could move up. Next few weeks will tell the tale.

Then either have weaknesses or soft spots that could be exploited by a Republican opponent

[davidn3600]

20. So Super delegates will go against the voters? Really?

Good luck in November.

[rocktivity]

23. Don't you remember

how the superdelegates went against the voters for Hillary last time?


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[cascadiance]

21. She's counting on mass superdelegate political career suicide voting for her...

... if the majority of voters vote for Bernie in the primaries. If they were to go through with the PROJECTED votes for her of super delegates (NOT CAST YET despite their assertion they are already "her votes&quot , they could kiss their asses goodbye in many of the elections to come.

Yes, if she wins the primary votes then they will likely vote this way, but if the primary vote delegates come out in favor of Sanders, then they will be seen as entities trying to override the system of democracy this party is supposed to be the principal party that supports that system of government.

[rocktivity]

22. Counting on mass superdelegates? Yes, I remember it well

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