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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:01 AM Oct 2012

David Plouffe: Obama Didn’t Bring Up 47 Percent Because It’s Been ‘Chewed Over’

David Plouffe: Obama Didn’t Bring Up 47 Percent Because It’s Been ‘Chewed Over’

BENJY SARLIN 11:46 PM EDT, WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 3, 2012

Obama adviser David Plouffe defended the president's lack of any mention of Romney's 47 percent remarks in a post-debate appearance on MSNBC.

"First of all on the 47%, that's an issue that just about 100% of the country knows about. It's been chewed on over and appropriately so," he said. "The reason it's called Romney's problem is because it wasn't a gaffe. It was a revealing moment. We've run advertising on it so our strategy here was not zingers necessarily."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/david-plouffe-obama-didnt-bring-up-47-percent

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David Plouffe: Obama Didn’t Bring Up 47 Percent Because It’s Been ‘Chewed Over’ (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2012 OP
gotta look forward d_b Oct 2012 #1
Plouffe is exactly right alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #2
He's flat wrong there Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #3
You're right and David Plouffe is wrong on this one TroyD Oct 2012 #7
My thoughts exactly. avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #11
That's what bothers me Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #12
yes, if we recall, Mr. Kerry, did not think cling2reality Oct 2012 #19
Oh they have ads like hell up attacking him on this. The MODERATOR needs to bring it up. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #20
I'm hoping the American people thought about that 47% comment while Romney was spewing lies. Overseas Oct 2012 #4
No you don't bring it up because anyone that does not think he had an answer to close that demgrrrll Oct 2012 #5
Disagree ailsagirl Oct 2012 #6
When you lose a debate to one of the worst candidates in the history of Presidential campaigns... Bjorn Against Oct 2012 #8
+ 1....... dhill926 Oct 2012 #14
Sorry but public tunes into the presidential debates, not politcal advertising. avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #9
Sorry, but that's simply not true Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #18
unfortunately obama likes to be kind to republicans nt msongs Oct 2012 #10
They don't want to appear to be too close to a clandestine act? hexola Oct 2012 #13
Well I hope O's performance was planned (and focus-grouped) NCLefty Oct 2012 #15
Was there any occasion to bring it up, even? treestar Oct 2012 #16
Certainly. They talked about taxes for the first 45 minutes. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #17
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
2. Plouffe is exactly right
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:04 AM
Oct 2012

A bunch of people will now jump on this thread calling Plouffe an idiot. The difference between those people and David Plouffe is that David Plouffe got a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama elected President of the United States of America, while the people calling Plouffe an idiot never got so much as a beloved high school quarterback elected to student council.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
3. He's flat wrong there
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:06 AM
Oct 2012

You bring it up. Period. It's the proverbial Easy Button.

But beyond that it's also incumbent on the person asking the questions to address it. The 47 percent is something that had blotted out the sun for weeks. In what world is Romney not asked about it. To put it into perspective, even someone like Chris Wallace would ask him to address it.

It was an epic failure by an apparently tone deaf Leherer.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
7. You're right and David Plouffe is wrong on this one
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:09 AM
Oct 2012

You should never assume that everyone has already heard about it.

Yes, it got a lot of attention, but many people are just tuning into election season for the first time this year. Not everyone is a political junkie like us who follows it all year.

It should be brought up, PARTICULARLY when you are debating someone who is on stage pretending to be Mr. Caring & Wonderful in public. You point out that the way they have talked about the America people behind closed doors is very different.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
12. That's what bothers me
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:15 AM
Oct 2012

Plouffe has to know this and I think he does, but you can't come out and say you effed it up. They'll do better next time.

And let me also say that I'm a huge fan of Plouffe and Axelrod. I bought David's book the day it came out and devoured it in short order.

cling2reality

(56 posts)
19. yes, if we recall, Mr. Kerry, did not think
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 05:17 AM
Oct 2012

it was important to respond to the swift boat bullshit because it was untrue.
You have to call them out on things when you get a chance.
Not fucking nod in agreement when the rabid dog is spewing complete lies.

demgrrrll

(3,590 posts)
5. No you don't bring it up because anyone that does not think he had an answer to close that
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:08 AM
Oct 2012

book is wrong, now they still have the chance to go over it and over it again.

ailsagirl

(22,898 posts)
6. Disagree
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:08 AM
Oct 2012

That could have been Nitt's biggest gaffe and I think we need to stick it to him right up to election day. We can't allow that "pack of truths" fade away. It's our strongest ammunition. It's the "real Nitt."

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
8. When you lose a debate to one of the worst candidates in the history of Presidential campaigns...
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:10 AM
Oct 2012

That is probably a sign that your debate strategy did not work, Obama needs to be much tougher in the next two debates there is really no excuse for losing to someone as slimy as Mitt Romney.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
9. Sorry but public tunes into the presidential debates, not politcal advertising.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:11 AM
Oct 2012

The Prez had an audience of millions tonight who wanted to hear his message. Obama had the advantage this evening and he did not go after Romney on the 47% issue. Advertising is catch as catch can. Many, if not most of us will hear little to none of the Obama political advertising. I know that may be hard for campaign hacks to believe.
Do the hacks think that most people chain themselves to their TVs each day channel surfing in anticipation of an Obama ad? Really now?

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
18. Sorry, but that's simply not true
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:31 AM
Oct 2012

Of course the debates matter. Of course Obama could have done better.

But to say the ads don't matter is simply absurd. Good ads DO MATTER. Messaging matters.

The fact is Obama and the DNC have some extremely effective ads running right now and have for months. See, that's a big part of what's been moving the needle. Romney says something stupid and it is exploited over and over again with the right messaging.

People can say they don't like the negative ads and part of me believes them. But whether or not they're influenced by them is another matter entirely.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
13. They don't want to appear to be too close to a clandestine act?
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:20 AM
Oct 2012

Advertising is one thing - but coming out of the presidents mouth is another.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
15. Well I hope O's performance was planned (and focus-grouped)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:58 AM
Oct 2012

If they did this on purpose, that's one thing. It just didn't look like he was very engaged. I think that's what has some confused/worried.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Was there any occasion to bring it up, even?
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:00 AM
Oct 2012

It would not look good to bring it up out of thing air. And it's not going to disappear because it was not mentioned in this debate.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
17. Certainly. They talked about taxes for the first 45 minutes.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:15 AM
Oct 2012

There were plenty of spots to hammer it in there. But I also think the moderator was remiss in not bringing it up either.

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