No, Iowa Was Not A "Tie". Clinton Won Even After Recount

[KittyWampus]

The numbers were revised and gave Sanders a very minute rise in delegate count. Even so, Clinton came away with more delegates.

The truth of the matter is that Clinton came away from Iowa with more delegates. That is a FACT. And every time Sanders doesn't win a huge margin of delegates his chances of winning recede even further towards the horizon.

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The Iowa Democratic Party on Sunday updated the results of the Iowa caucuses after discovering discrepancies in the tallies at five precincts, but the final outcome remains unchanged.

Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton still places first in the caucuses with 700.47 state delegate equivalents, or 49.84 percent, the party said in a statement.

Primary rival Bernie Sanders comes in second with 696.92 state delegate equivalents, or 49.59 percent.

The total net change gives Sanders an additional 0.1053 state delegate equivalents and strips Clinton of 0.122 state delegate equivalents.

[Skwmom]

1. B.S. No recount was completed. n/t

[artislife]

2. And it won't be nearly as close in New Hampshire.

If she won big in Iowa, she is going to lose yuuuge in New Hampshire.

[Senator Tankerbell]

3. Even so, it was a huge comeback for Sanders.

Clinton was always expected to win Iowa by a larger margin than she did.

[kennetha]

4. The striking thing

is that Sanders even got his desired turn out number and STILL lost. Some revolution!

[Arazi]

5. Keep telling yourself that, really

even the Clintons know what happened in IA was a technical win but wasn't a "win". The ensuing chaos of finding discrepancies further tainted that win with an asterisk forever.

So I actually do agree with you, she won but it sure wasn't a "win".

Oh and there wasn't any recount Ms HRC2016 refused to allow it

[Dawson Leery]

6. Berns is not the draw that Obama was.

[artislife]

10. And h is still h.

I have been surprised by her early missteps. I thought they would be a little later.

I expect her to implode.

[casperthegm]

7. Congrats; Hillary is the coin flip champion of the world

Great victory....

[Squinch]

55. Every time one of you guys makes an issue about the coin tosses, you reveal

how little you know about how the Iowa caucuses are and HAVE ALWAYS BEEN conducted. Read up on it. Look up the significance of the coin tosses. You'll want to stop making comments like this when you do.

[jeff47]

8. So...you are wrong here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511181228#post45

Either that post claiming a 9-point-loss is a win is wrong, or this post claiming a 0.2% loss is a loss is wrong.

At least, if you want to be consistent.

Oh, you're also lying about a recount. There has been no recount of IA. The Iowa party has corrected a few problems brought to their attention, but that isn't a recount.

[Orsino]

9. She won more delegates.

However, calling it a "virtual tie" is much more descriptive of the split.

[riversedge]

33. Here, let me illustrate the difference between a tie and a win, okay?

Laurel Davila, CPA ?@laureldavilacpa 16h16 hours ago

Here, let me illustrate the difference between a tie and a win, okay? #ImWithHer #IAcaucus

[tonedevil]

34. Was that in the same joke book...

as wiping the server with a cloth?

[John Poet]

42. That depends....

That depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

The definition is probably on Hillary's blue email server.

[elias49]

49. Bwahahahaha!!

The entire "Joke and Magic Trick Compendium" also comes with a slinky, a yo-yo and a red flannel plaid shirt.

[Orsino]

37. In hockey, only one team gets the Stanley, too.

However, that doesn't recognize what the other team did, and a picture of a trophy is not a sports story.

A win is indeed a win. But there's more to the story, thank goodness--such as all the other wins yet to be had by one candidate or the other.

Congratulations to Clinton and her supporters on the first win of the cycle. First blood, if you like.

[localroger]

54. The primary is not winner-take-all

The difference of a delegate or two leaves neither candidate with a meaningful advantage from the contest. Failure to understand this is what cost Hillary the nomination in 2008.

[MrMickeysMom]

11. That's nice, dear...

[hobbit709]

12. She did NOT get a majority vote.

although to hear her supporters talk it was a landslide.

[cali]

13. Lol. If Bernie Wins NH by one percentage point, by your

standards, he will have blown Hilly out of the water.

[jeff47]

17. No, Kitty claims a 9-point loss for Clinton in NH is a win for Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511181228#post45

[randome]

28. Our last 3 elected Presidents lost the New Hampshire primary.

So, yes, a small enough margin of loss (an expected loss, btw) means good news for Clinton.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[jeff47]

30. The same logic applies to IA.

A smaller than expected loss is good news there too.

[randome]

39. I agree. It was good news for Sanders.

Clinton still has more endorsements and momentum going into Super Tuesday. That's when we'll all start to get a good sense of where this thing is headed.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[JimDandy]

36. Clinton won it in 2008. That she is expected to lose it now, by any margin, is telling. n/t

[RiverLover]

14. There was no recount

The chairwoman of the Iowa DNC, who has a Hillary license plate on her car, refused to do that.

This OP is BS.

[Dragonfli]

24. It follows the Harris pattern of 2000, There will be no recount or uncovering of the cheating

Without a court forcing it.

I believe if a proper audit were done, Sanders would be the proven winner.

But I don't expect transparency or accountability from what is basically a Hillary employee that decided who should win as soon as she finalized the "win" several hours early.

Sunlight would melt rather than clean her and her integrity if the light were cat upon the truth, hence her overly forceful denial of a full audit in one of the closest races in history.

I wonder how much a "slightly altered" outcome costs these days, I am sure the payment was under the table, so, at least she will not have to pay taxes on her earnings.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Riiiiiiiiiight...okay sweetie pie, if you say so.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[NurseJackie]

16. So it's not "Just-Like-2008™" after all ...

...


Go, Hillary! We love you!

[jkbRN]

25. No, "nurse"Jackie loves you.

Speak for yourself sweetie pie, honey bunch.

[Gore1FL]

18. Santa Anna won the Alamo, too.

The Texans did unexpectedly well, though and were propelled on to victory.

[Botany]

19. From 60 points down Bernie lost by 1/4 of 1% of the vote

Way to kick ass HRC

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Can we safely put that "win" on the "big deal" shelf?

[Beacool]

21. I don't know why we're still rehashing this issue.

Hillary won IA by a wafer thin majority. Sanders will handily win NH.

On to NV, SC and Super Tuesday. If people are going to be in a tizzy about every primary and caucus they're going to have a nervous breakdown before June.

[Qutzupalotl]

22. Both preliminary totals round to 50/50

so that's pretty darn close to a tie. Oh, and a recount hasn't been done.

[jkbRN]

23. Now imagine if they went back and looked at all precincts,

There's a reason they aren't--Bernie would win.

[Dragonfli]

27. That is the same reason they never will. /nt

[Go Vols]

26. You just now finding this out?

I bet Bernie in Iowa and lost,paid my bookie the next day.Pretty sure I will be getting it back tomorrow tho.

[Duckhunter935]

29. what recount

That is not factual at all. They checked 14 out of around 2000 precincts and found 5 of the 14 had errors. Funny they do not want to do a full audit. She would have been found to have lost.

[riversedge]

31. You just make stuff up and think folks will see it as the truth!! NOPE

[Duckhunter935]

32. I know, crazy

[bigtree]

38. according to Sanders

...we'd be able to call that a tie.

[Arazi]

44. I'll call it a tie if the difference is .25% with evidence of fraud

[bigtree]

45. you assume that the fraud is on the Clinton side

...good luck with that.

[Arazi]

47. I'm not assuming anything

And I didn't even reference which side that .25% would cause to "win".

Fact is .25% is very close and with the evidence of fraud and no recount, I find it hard to believe anyone would call this a "win".

I wouldn't. Even if it were Sanders

[bigtree]

50. evidence?

...accusations, more like it.

And the Sanders camp would certainly call it a win. Very little they've done has shown me they're above politics as usual in their campaign.

[Arazi]

53. Well not me, so theres that

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. You're correct. PTBL says though if Bernie only wins NH by 20%, Hillary wins there too.

[Kalidurga]

40. So

[John Poet]

41. NO, HILLARY LOST, because WE NOW KNOW that

Bernie won because he kept the difference below 10 percent...

or maybe below 20 percent---

so at less than one percent difference, he obviously won Iowa in a landslide.


Don't blame me-- these are the new standards set by your compatriots for Hillary being able to "declare victory" in the New Hampshire primary, so I figure they ought to apply just as well here.

[CharlotteVale]

43. There was no recount. Why did you say there was?

[TBF]

46. They take those coins with them to NH? Can't recount that. nt

[SheenaR]

48. Yes

And tonight anything more than 0.1 is a loss for Clinton. Rec'd for teaching wins and losses

[thereismore]

51. I agree. We may never know who won the popular vote (I know, irrelevant but interesting) because

the IA dem party does not want to release raw counts.

[PeteSelman]

52. We WON!!! By .63% after being up by fucking FIFTY!!!

Bernie won. Sorry kids.

[SidDithers]

56. DU rec for all kinds of reasons...nt

Sid