2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCNN: Clinton announcing a "single-digit loss will be a win" for her. nt
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)when she started her campaign? I did not know that.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)there are a number of gun manufacturers and lovers in NH who probably feel more secure with Sanders. Who really knows, or cares, what happened 8 years ago?
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)about everything.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I lost a sister to a gun. I've lost many family members and friends due to ginned up wars.
You're right, I don't have to agree with you. I'll take Bernie Sanders. I'm sick to death of neo-cons/liberals and their disaster politics.
elljay
(1,178 posts)when he lost by .25% (according to the latest count) and probably won the actual popular vote, though that is not how the Iowa Democratic Caucus is counted. I do believe that is a more accurate characterization than calling an 8 or 9 point loss a win.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)if she thinks a 9% loss is a win.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)number of delegates. It is 23-21 as of now, but will likely change at the later caucuses.
6chars
(3,967 posts)but who can remember as far back as a week ago. it is all so hazy.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Not terribly inaccurate. Trying to call losing by as much as 9.9 percent a win is crazy.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I think he did anyway, if the raw vote totals were ever released.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)tie in Iowa that is under a cloud is a "WIN!" but a 1 point loss in NH will be a "WIN!" also. Her math skills alone discount her candidacy. Now talking about unicorns and fairy dust ...
Matariki
(18,775 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)But a tie isn't a tie.
0rganism
(23,966 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Did she say Bernie won Iowa?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I've been predicting BS 57% to HRC 43%, maybe slight variation therein (56.8-42.6, some extras)
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Otherwise she's just setting herself up for failure.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)They're built in.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)And that means she will have good GOTV.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)right now--or stuffing you into a car and driving you to the polls. The "neighbor" advantage is nothing compared to the advantage of having the state party machinery at your disposal.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)but he isnt, so you dont.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)direction (more progressive). If she won then, she can certainly win now. Especially with all those endorsements.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He certainly connects strongly with a certain demographic and that demographic is well represented in NH.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Isn't NH her demographics?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Too bad for Bernie the rest of America looks nothing like NH.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)that he's the candidate of white people. Unlike Clinton.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)He's just not ready to be President of the United States.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)First thing I thought of when I saw him in that shirt...
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Should deliver a strong victory for her. People are tired of machine politics where they are told how to vote.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)... but then you post that she has "93% of NH Endorsements which should deliver a strong victory for her."
Ironic, much?
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)What worked in the past and should still work is not working with New Hampshire voters. People are sick and tired of being told how to vote.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... equals being told who to vote for. Them 'delivering her' a victory is telling people who to vote for.
Guess that slipped past your irony detector.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)Hillary has 93% of the elected Democrats supporting her and telling people how to vote. She's not going to receive anywhere near 93% support from the voters. People are revolting against machine politics, especially if she ends up losing by 10-20 points.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)But not a 9 point loss.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...lol
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)Both camps know what they have to do to win. Anything else is just japes for the groundlings.
-- Mal
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)http://en.mediamass.net/people/sally-field/deathhoax.html
^snip^
"Sally Field dead 2016 : Actress killed by internet death hoax
News of actress Sally Fields death spread quickly earlier this week causing concern among fans across the world. However the February 2016 report has now been confirmed as a complete hoax and just the latest in a string of fake celebrity death reports. Thankfully, the actress best known for her roles in Lincoln, Brothers & Sisters or Smokey and the Bandit is alive and well.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)How could you??
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Only Gidget seemed to apply.
Along with the death hoax, I thought it was funny.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)spinning this shit.
earthside
(6,960 posts)... had come forth with a new revelation that she had had an affair with Hillary.
Then Hillary could proclaim herself as "the come-back gal" after a second place finish in New Hampshire.
global1
(25,265 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)margin at one point?
Serious question.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)And she has 93% of elected Democrats in New Hampshire endorsing her. At some point you have to say a loss is a loss.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Now it's YUUUG!!
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)and I thought Hillary was *supposed* to take Iowa and Bernie NH.
I could have sworn all the yammer was about how much of a lead Bernie had in NH. Vise versa for Hillary in Iowa.
I wasn't trying to be smart or anything. I really thought that's what they'd been reporting.
I will search DU see what I can find.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)but the projected margin has varied wildly, as if someone's trying to re-set expectations by claiming HRC will lose badly and declare anything better than that to be a "win". Sounds like Hillary will be saying it's a win for her even if Bernie wins by 9 points.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)and that was this past week.
She was up 56 a year ago this week. Against a guy in his own backyard. But I am told to discount it because people hadn't started "campaigning yet". Which makes her campaign sound even worse, that once it started people actually understood what was really going on.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What happened?
Is the Bern fizzling out already?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thanks for the link
tblue37
(65,483 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)tblue37
(65,483 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)NON-VICTORY victory speech too?
Sheesh.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)Hillary Clinton was winning New Hampshire by large margins up until August of 2015. A huge number of voters who were planning on voting for Clinton were convinced to change their votes to Sanders. That is the reality.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I saw someone asking her that exact question earlier, and she sidestepped into some vague answer about it being a 'great day for democracy'. Somebody on her campaign must have felt that sort of reply wasn't helpful and suggested she embrace the spin the media wanted to put on it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I didn't lose as bad as I thought I would!! Go team!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)How do you spell desperation?
H I L L A R Y
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)It's pretty much all over for Sanders
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)"I win! No matter what! A tie? I win. I get fewer votes? I still win. Me Me Me Me!"
It's starting to seem like she's the runner up who steals the winner's crown & refuses to hand it over, then has an epic psychotic meltdown on stage.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)gads....
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...declare VICTORY!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If she loses by 20% then this is a huge win for her. She would be the new comeback kid.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)WMUR is a respectable news station and polling outfit. Like I said, if she manages to get the difference to 20%, it is a major win.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Only on Opposite World.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If she had more time, she would have won NH. So, her narrowing the gap to 40% is a win. nt
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The ground she's lost is on her. There's no reason, none, to state that Bernie should be winning by 40 points. There's an excellent OP in GDP explaining why the "home field" advantage is utter nonsense.
Hillary's losing NH because she blew it. Arguing that she's somehow won by not losing as badly as she might have otherwise is laughable.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If Hilary manages to narrow the gap to 20% then that is a major victory.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I can't wait for her victory speech!!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If she does, I will be overjoyed and ecstatic. It would be a major victory. She would be the new comeback kid.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Apparently, that's the talking point being catapulted today, but that shit won't fly.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)DemForLife
(59 posts)Well, then New Hampshire make sure she's beaten by double digits even if it is only by 10 points.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)The Clintons think they are just so dang smart, that their sheer smarminess persuades intelligent people that when they lose, they are actually winning.
So this spin is right up that alley.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...the comeback kid just infuriated his opponents and gave his campaign the fighting spark it needed.
I thought Bernie was supposed to blow her out of the water there. If he doesn't, the folks who've been crowing about the big polling lead will only have themselves to blame.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)for some time understand the tremendous baked-in advantages the Clintons enjoy in every contest, and what it takes to overcome that.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Just like she announced victory before the count was done IA. Will they manipulate so she can count victory again if she lost by single digits. I do not trust the voting methods. Enough money can get people to change things. That's why this system needs to end and a new era of fairness needs to begin. No more mass money in elections.
Botany
(70,567 posts)"Thank you Iowa!"
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)A single digit loss would be a bit of a late rally, but considering she was ahead by over 50 a year ago it's still a loss.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
californiabernin
(421 posts)She felt confident it would be. But it's not a win. Playing the expectations game.
Really looking forward to the rest of the primaries coming up as Sanders builds more and more diverse and larger coalition for change.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)"See me lose by 5 points? Total win!!" Now, since she appears to have the media ready to lap up her narrative, it might work. Who's ready to spin for her--Chris Matthews? Rachel Maddow? NYT?
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Look, I am in second place, and that's pretty good!
artyteacher
(598 posts)Actual and relative (or moral...)
Hillary actually won Iowa, but Bernie had the other kind of win.
NH could be the reverse.
It's not that hard. Its a common political concept. You can understand that without being nasty
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)But she wasn't. She started off with a huge lead, and then blew it. Losing by a little less than projected doesn't change the fact that she once led by huge margins and then lost that support.
artyteacher
(598 posts)About how long you have to be behind and then come back.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)But claiming a comeback when you've lost by double digits runs a very real risk of being mocked.
Sanity Claws
(21,852 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)I don't thinks that would be awful at all for Sanders, just how bad will it be for Clinton.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)to her?
Because otherwise, I don't understand.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Rocky the Leprechaun
(222 posts)I'll be hoping for a loss by 35% or more.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)That was a disgusting display of hubris and fake outrage, Bill in his red plaid shirt,
waving papers around -- like he 'had the goods on Bernie -- it was such a lame and
amateurish insult to the intelligence of NH voters, and the M$M lapped it up, which
made it even worse.
I agree: a Bernie 67.5% v. Hillary 32.5% outcome sounds about right.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Weird.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)like no one will remember what she said last fucking week.