Clinton just had the nerve to refer to her visit to "deindustrialized" America

[Armstead]

Talking about how she is demonstrating her commitment to workers by visiting Flint, or something like that.

Who the hell does she think helped to deindustrialize America?

Communities like Fliint were being hollowed out in the 90's while she and Bill and their cronies were talking about the "boom" and the great Alan Greenspan, and deregulation...and of course NAFTA, WTO, MFN China etc.

Earth to Hillary. Flint did not happen last week.

[libdem4life]

1. Paging Michael Moore. Perhaps he can tutor her in her vapid lack of comprehension.

[Sophiegirl]

29. Or true compassion. eom

[TheBlackAdder]

49. It sure isn't her promotion of worldwide fracking or her cosy inbred corporate oil relationships!

Check out the link. That's right: Koch Industries and BP Oil, to name a few.



Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests

Here’s just a partial list of the fossil fuel–friendly bundlers who raised money for Clinton from April through June:

http://grist.org/climate-energy/hillary-clinton-rakes-in-money-from-fossil-fuel-interests/

Heather Podesta and Tony Podesta have raised $31,150 and $74,575, respectively. The power ex-couple are big-shot Democratic lobbyists. Tony’s brother John is Clinton’s campaign chair and former White House chief of staff to Bill Clinton. Even though John Podesta is considered a climate hawk, Tony and his ex-wife Heather represent fossil fuel companies. Heather’s recent past clients include Marathon Oil and Bill Koch’s Oxbow Carbon, a coal giant, and from 2004 to 2006 she lobbied for Koch Industries. Tony lobbied for BP in the wake of its disastrous Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion, and through last year he represented Golden Pass, a company co-owned by ExxonMobil and Qatar Petroleum that wants to export liquefied natural gas. To be fair, they also work on behalf of renewable fuel companies — Tony represents SolarReserve, a solar power company, and Heather lobbies for the ethanol industry. You might call the Podestas the very embodiment of the Obama/Clinton “all of the above” energy policy.

But the contrast between her and her opponents is clear, and it’s indicative of real policy differences. O’Malley has laid out a set of strong, detailed proposals to combat climate change. These include not just measures Obama has begun taking, like regulating carbon emissions under the Clean Air Act, but ones he hasn’t, like adopting zero-tolerance regulation for methane leaks from oil and gas wells and denying new offshore oil leasing permits. Clinton has not endorsed any stances beyond Obama’s except for charging more for coal leases.

“Hillary Clinton’s position is stuck in the past,” says Jamie Henn, a spokesperson for 350 Action. “We have the tools to transition away from fossil fuels. What about all the jobs lost because of climate impacts? We need a president who is willing to make tough decisions about how to transition our economy in the face of climate risk.”

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[questionseverything]

63. thanks for pointing out the fracking

fracking poisons our water and causes earthquakes

so who would think it is a good idea?

[SamKnause]

2. The Clinton's think the entire nation has amnesia.

FEEL THE BERN

[Plucketeer]

14. The air is very thin

up where the Clintons reside. It's probably easy to conclude the whole nation is as non-conscious as they are.

[Fuddnik]

21. They would be right a lot of the time.

Not this year.

[WillyT]

3. Wow... How Out Of Touch Is THAT ???

[EndElectoral]

5. Amazing to me that people buy that rhetoric.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

4. the word is destroyed and it was because of Clinton trade agreements

destroyed

[RiverLover]

8. Yep.

I really don't understand how the Clintons are fooling so many people.

Bill Clinton did so much damage, not only with China WTO & NAFTA gutting our middle class, but deregulations allowing monopolies, enabled the outrageous CEO pay we see today, and of course he & his rethug friends deregulated wall street.

Why on earth would we want this back in the WH??

How could an actual republican be worse?

[malokvale77]

34. Don't you love how they come up with such innocent sounding names...

for their wanton destruction.

[bvf]

6. I want to sit her down,

à la the Ludovico Technique, for a viewing of Roger and Me.

Yeah, hubby's policies sure helped Flint come back in the aftermath, didn't they, though?



Do I need this?

[democrank]

7. Deindustrialized...........another new mechanical talking point

spit out by the machine.

[Armstead]

9. It's an old term....But she's just discovered it and thinks it sounds "progressive": or something

[Fuddnik]

22. She should use NAFTAized.

[Duval]

24. Good one! eom

[Oilwellian]

32. And she should have included "deregulated" in the mix n/t

[JackInGreen]

40. How about

Differently wealthy?

[Fairgo]

56. Made me chuckle

I'm gonna use that. Hope you don't mind.

[Geronimoe]

11. When your child crashes the car

You don't let him or her sweet talk you into giving your keys to the other car.

[dorkzilla]

12. and the hits keep on coming...

I’ve spent the last several days just shaking my head over her campaign. Really unbelievable.

[Ino]

13. Such a neutral, sanitized term

deindustrialized = GUTTED

[amborin]

15. Hillary is the foe of workers and the middle class

[valerief]

16. Years ago when we IT people were watching our company's IT jobs go to India and then

China, I recall seeing pictures of Clinton with people from Tata and Infosys. You know, the foreign companies getting our jobs.

Those visuals don't go away and they say a lot.

[dreamnightwind]

68. +1

[ViseGrip]

17. Referring to NAFTA as "deindustrialized" like divorce is 'decoupling'. Now I want her medical

records released..cuz she's lost it!

[Divernan]

36. Mini strokes add up.

Did she lose consciousness and then fall and hit her head, or fall and hit her head and then lose consciousness?

Plus there was that blood clot in her brain.

[Plucketeer]

18. Flint's water can make one ill

and so can the Clintons.

[Fuddnik]

23. +1,000,000

[olddots]

19. people living in cars outside the gated communities

This is the Neo Lib and Neo Con utopia

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. Anyone shocked by this? Out of touch, among other things.

[onecaliberal]

25. NAFTA took all the effing jobs away to begin with, but lets not mention that....

[FreakinDJ]

26. Clintons turned their backs on the entire Rust Belt States

[pnwmom]

27. Robert Reich, Bernie Sanders supporters' hero, had much more to do with NAFTA than Hillary Clinton

He wrote in his book about how he was -- and is -- a fervent supporter of NAFTA, and how he, as Labor Secretary -- successfully pushed Bill Clinton to make NAFTA his first priority.

Hillary wanted healthcare to be the priority, and she lost.

[Fast Walker 52]

35. Really? Hmm-- that goes against common knowledge

Recent piece:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/01/29/robert-reich-for-fast-track-before-he-was-against-it/

[pnwmom]

41. Hah! He's trying to cover his tracks now -- but he had a very different spin in 2000.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/reich.html

But it counted when he became elected president. You had given him some advice during the campaign, correct?
Yes. I certainly was one among many people who provided him a lot of free advice. The poor man had read every one of my books.

SNIP

Later in the summer, NAFTA takes the fore. You are passionate about this. AFL-CIO President Lane Kirkland is in your ear all the time. Elsewhere in the administration, there is enormous pressure in support of NAFTA. How did the president deal with that? He had you and labor in one ear, and Rubin and Panetta in the other.

Well, personally, I was and still am a free trader. I think that free trade is inevitable and overall it helps everyone. But labor was very against NAFTA. And I remember appearing on so many stages in front of various labor groups and being booed off the stage because I was representing the president, and the president was committed to NAFTA. He was committed to NAFTA in the campaign. He said, during the 1992 campaign, "I am going to sign the North American Free Trade Act."

What was your advice to him during the debate though?
My advice to him during the campaign was to sign it.

And then later, once, Kirkland was telling you guys that it was going to be a "f-ing disaster," and you were going to come to regret it. You passed that on to the president. What was his reaction?
He shrugged. He was willing to take on organized labor over the North American Free Trade Act. I think the real issue there was what kind of priority NAFTA should get. Should it be one of the highest priorities of the administration in those first years? Should he spend a lot of political capital on it? Should he delay health care in order to get NAFTA done first? And the first lady wanted health care first. She didn't want him to expend political capital on NAFTA. She was concerned, and in retrospect she was absolutely right, that if health care came after NAFTA, then health care might never get done. Already the momentum was building for some sort of universal health care. He had the political capital to get that done, but the business community was telling him NAFTA was more important. And Lloyd Bentsen, the most senior member of the cabinet, and a man of great insight and wisdom and experience to whom the president deferred quite a bit, Lloyd Bentsen was adamant. NAFTA must come first. In fact, I remember Lloyd banging his finger on the table, "We must get this done right away." And so the president decided that that was going to get the priority. My job was to deliver the news to organized labor. And that was not pleasant, but they knew it was coming.

[Fast Walker 52]

54. thanks... definitely he's nuanced it. At the same time, he may have realized

in retrospect that it was a bad thing. Hence, his opposition to the TPP.

[pnwmom]

55. Hillary voted against CAFTA and she has also announced her opposition to the TPP.

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She was hoping to be able to support it but the final version wasn't acceptable.

[malokvale77]

57. From what position was she hoping to vote for it?

She is holds no office to cast a vote.

[pnwmom]

61. Sorry. I mean, "support it."

[Fast Walker 52]

66. I hope she sticks to that!

Especially if she's elected.

[pnwmom]

67. Me, too. n/t

[Armstead]

39. It's not about trrade agreements genericaly

It's about rotten "free trade" neoliberal con jobs written by and for corporations and investors with complete disregard for their domestic impacts.

[pnwmom]

45. Robert Reich specifically advised him to sign NAFTA.

But it counted when he became elected president. You had given him some advice during the campaign, correct?
Yes. I certainly was one among many people who provided him a lot of free advice. The poor man had read every one of my books.

SNIP

Well, personally, I was and still am a free trader. I think that free trade is inevitable and overall it helps everyone. But labor was very against NAFTA. And I remember appearing on so many stages in front of various labor groups and being booed off the stage because I was representing the president, and the president was committed to NAFTA. He was committed to NAFTA in the campaign. He said, during the 1992 campaign, "I am going to sign the North American Free Trade Act."

What was your advice to him during the debate though?
My advice to him during the campaign was to sign it.

And then later, once, Kirkland was telling you guys that it was going to be a "f-ing disaster," and you were going to come to regret it. You passed that on to the president. What was his reaction?
He shrugged. He was willing to take on organized labor over the North American Free Trade Act. I think the real issue there was what kind of priority NAFTA should get. Should it be one of the highest priorities of the administration in those first years? Should he spend a lot of political capital on it? Should he delay health care in order to get NAFTA done first? And the first lady wanted health care first. She didn't want him to expend political capital on NAFTA. She was concerned, and in retrospect she was absolutely right, that if health care came after NAFTA, then health care might never get done. Already the momentum was building for some sort of universal health care. He had the political capital to get that done, but the business community was telling him NAFTA was more important. And Lloyd Bentsen, the most senior member of the cabinet, and a man of great insight and wisdom and experience to whom the president deferred quite a bit, Lloyd Bentsen was adamant. NAFTA must come first. In fact, I remember Lloyd banging his finger on the table, "We must get this done right away." And so the president decided that that was going to get the priority. My job was to deliver the news to organized labor. And that was not pleasant, but they knew it was coming.

[Armstead]

47. You assume everyone has to be monolithic

Reich doers not have to be in lockstep on every detail of policy, not does anyone else.

On balance, he strongly has favored Sanders. That's the bottom line.

[pnwmom]

48. No, I don't. I'm saying that Robert Reich had a great deal more to do with promoting NAFTA

and helping to pass it than Hillary did.

She wanted healthcare to be the priority, and she lost that battle to Reich and the other NAFTA promoters.

And yet people here want to hold Hillary responsible for NAFTA and are ignoring Reich's part in it, because it interferes with their Reich-adulation, in gratitude for his support of Sanders.

[Armstead]

50. She has been on again off again and spinning over these things for years

In any case, we're arguing about angels on the head of a pin.

Overall, I'll go with Reich's views on the economy rather than Clinton's "moving target" trust me messages

[pnwmom]

51. And I'll go with Paul Krugman's over Robert Reich's any day. n/t

[navarth]

28. I agree, Armstead

1 million percent.

I'm concerned about my state right now. I hope Bernie has people here. I need to up my donations and participation.

[PatrynXX]

30. Sure hope she paid some good money to Flint for her visit

seems she didn't do that in Iowa.

[Motown_Johnny]

31. She is also the one who wanted the debate there.

What a terrible campaign.

[Fast Walker 52]

33. yeah, I was thinking the other day that the ultimate cause of what happened to Flint

was our failed trade policies that hammered the auto industry.

[kacekwl]

37. You know that

great SUCKING sound we heard.

[blackspade]

38. Tone deaf.

Her lack of understanding is painful.

[cprise]

42. K&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. It started under Reagan...

The trade deals were the final blow.

The psychology of business has gotten so demented that we now have guys like Jim Cramer saying, "Why the hell are we building cars in this country?"

See, we're all supposed to be the money managers for the rest of the world.

[Bread and Circus]

44. I know a lot of bad started under Reagan but I don't remember this being a prime feature of the 80's

I would like to see some links that could sum up his influence.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. You didn't see "Capitalism - A Love Story"?

[Armstead]

53. It was a trend -- Just seldom mentioned by politicians or media

[reformist2]

59. The trade deals of the 90s made it far, far worse.

Being perfectly objective here, Clinton and Bush bear most of the blame for the hollowing out of America's industrail base. It's a national tragedy. And even worse, it has put our country at risk.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. They STILL claim NAFTA was a good deal for American jobs.

[HassleCat]

52. And Arkansas

Many of the southern states now have automobile manufacturing facilities, thanks to right-to-work laws, the war on unions, etc.

[Wig Master]

62. Just heard Clinton say that in essence every class society is a dictatorship

of one class over another. Good stuff. The SAnders campaign is really bringing out the best in her

[Ivan Kaputski]

65. NAFTAfied!