Sanders Condemns ‘Bernie Bros’

[applegrove]

Sanders Condemns ‘Bernie Bros’

by Daniel Marans at the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sanders-condemns-bernie-bros_us_56b75a28e4b08069c7a79b1e?utm_hp_ref=politics

"SNIP............


Bernie Sanders likes to express appreciation for his grass-roots supporters, but he is not standing by the so-called Bernie Bros.

Jake Tapper asked Sen. Sanders (I-Vt.) about the phenomenon of his backers saying sexist things to supporters of Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic nomination, on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

Sanders renounced them unequivocally.

“I have heard about it. It's disgusting,” Sanders said. “Look, we don't want that crap. ... We will do everything we can and I think we have tried. Look, anybody who is supporting me that is doing the sexist things is -- we don't want them. I don't want them. That is not what this campaign is about.”



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[applegrove]

1. Good for Bernie.

[stonecutter357]

2. K&R!

[Arazi]

3. Is this the 5th or 6th time this has been posted?

anyone know?

I don't have a star to do an advanced search

[applegrove]

5. How many times has Hillary being paid to speak to the banking industry been posted? Me, I like

to look at issues through multiple perspectives of the press or newscritters. I posted the same story from another news outlet yesterday. Important stuff.

[Arazi]

7. Ah, hitting DUers over the head with a hammer repetitively

i don't care for any of it

But do carry on

[Maedhros]

15. But Hillary is directly responsible for taking money from the Banking Industry.

Bernie has no control over nor any responsibility for random individuals on the Internet.

[applegrove]

18. The fact that GOP trolls are infiltrating Bernie to attack Hillary is an important story.

[Maedhros]

22. I'd say there is hardly enough evidence to confirm that as 'fact.'

Possibility? Sure.

[applegrove]

24. They started Obama, feminism and racism wars on the DU as practice. All settled issues here.

If you don't think the GOP would take their unlimited $$$ and mess with the democratic base online I feel sorry for you. I was that naïve at one point in my life....projecting my goodness onto others. Saying to myself 'oh they wouldn't' when presented with much evidence of wrongdoing in others.

[Maedhros]

27. Yes - any criticism of Obama or Hillary MUST come from Republican trolls.

[applegrove]

28. Not any criticism. Just the Bernie Bros and the I will never vote for Hillary

in the general election stuff. You know. The seething anger at our democratic party. You don't actually think that the GOP is sitting on top of billions of dollars and don't pay people to get on the internet and mess up the democratic discussion. That they wouldn't do that? Because they want to win the election fair and square? That rat****ing doesn't exist?

[Maedhros]

29. The seething anger at your Democratic Party is warranted.

They have repeatedly insulted liberals and progressives. It's why I left.

Nobody pays me to criticize the Democrats.

[applegrove]

31. I'm not saying you are a troll. But trolls there are. I was on Discussionist a few months ago.

They were laughing at logging onto the DU and stirring up anger amongst democrats. I kid you not.

[Maedhros]

32. I was on hillarysupporters.com a few months ago, and they said the same damn thing.

Bragged about trolling people into getting hides and bans.

You are looking at the Internet through a Hillary-colored lens.

[applegrove]

50. Hillary people do not spread the meme that they will not vote

for Bernie. Some Bernie supporters say they will not vote for Hillary. That is the GOP talking.

[Maedhros]

51. Nope. Count me as one of those people, and I am not in any way affiliated with the GOP.

I vote for the candidate who most closely represents my positions and interests. Bernie Sanders fits that bill, so I re-registered as a Democrat to vote for him in the primary. If he loses the primary, I will not vote for Hillary because she does not represent my positions and interests. Someone like Jill Stein is closer to the mark.

It has nothing to do with sour grapes. It's just me, voting on principle and not out of tribal loyalty.

[applegrove]

56. So you would have a cruz, a rubio or a trump win the general rather than a democrat. Got ya.

You must dislike Obamacare and social security and want taxes to be cut even more that George W. Bush did.

[Maedhros]

57. I will not be bullied, coerced, or shamed into voting against my interests.

I would suggest that your anger is better directed toward Democratic Party leaders who have gone so far out of their way to insult, disparage and marginalize liberals like me. They are the reason that young people and progressives are not lining up to pull the lever for your candidate.

[applegrove]

60. So if Hillary wins the nomination then your interests are to not vote for a the Democrat. How bout

Biden?

[Maedhros]

61. If Hillary wins the nomination, there will not be a Democrat that represents my interests.

A candidate like Jill Stein, if she is running, would more closely fit my requirements for President.

I will not vote out of Party loyalty for a Party that openly disdains me.

[applegrove]

62. So your interests are Bernie, if not then Republicans. Or is Bloomberg a choice?

[Maedhros]

63. Did you even read what I posted?

Apparently, no.

You have demonstrated a proclivity for badgering other posters and purposely misconstruing what they post. Looks like you are trying the same thing with me.

/ignore list.

[stevenleser]

44. Until Bernie fans here stop pretending Berniebros don't exist, I think it's fair to repost. nt

[Kall]

4. Good. Now about the Clinton campaign's

upcoming repudiation of people who say that women have to vote for Hillary Clinton, or there's a special place in Hell for them...

[applegrove]

6. I think Madelaine Albright is a woman warrior who has had to say that alot over the years.

So she was wrong to say that here in the context of this election. Big deal. They were important words in the 70s, 80s, 90s.

[Kall]

9. See, there's a double standard at work here...

... but it's not the one the Clinton campaign likes to dwell on. What relevance does saying it in the 70s, 80s, or 90s have? She said it here in the context of electing Hillary Clinton in 2016.

And Hillary Clinton told us a lot by her reaction (laughing and clapping) as Madeleine Albright said it.

While it's apparently necessary for Bernie Sanders to disavow the statements of random people on the Internet, it's not necessary for Hillary Clinton to disavow the statements of the person who stood beside her at her rally. "Good grief, we’re getting offended by everything these days!" is good enough.

[applegrove]

10. Saying a battle cry from the past in the present when you are in your late 70s is

a little less disturbing than hoards of masogynists pretending to be Bernie supporters and insulting all females. Would you agree?

[Kall]

11. Gotcha

No apology necessary. Carry on, you've demonstrated the point nicely.

[applegrove]

12. Ahhh....don't you think those trolls pretending to be Bernie supporters are GOP paid trolls?

Along with the Bernie supporters who refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee in the election? Who hates Hillary more than the GOP? They have unlimited funds. And unlimited hate. They would do A N Y T H I N G to win the White House. Good than Bernie denounced some of them. Hopefully he will denounce the rest of the rat****ing, seething, paid GOP trolls pretending to be his supporters.

[Kall]

13. Again, thank you for proving a point.

Not the one you think you made, but that's okay.

[Andy823]

8. Bernie is doing the right thing

The only problem is that now I hear it's all a big lie and those Bernie Bros are really Hillary supporters who pretend to be Bernie supporters to make Bernie look bad, or that it's all propaganda and none of those Bros are here on DU. I keep asking those who make such claims if this poster, link below, is really a Hillary supporter pretending to be for Bernie, or someone spreading propaganda, or maybe even a right wing troll, but so far nobody wants to comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

[Empowerer]

14. Funny how Sanders supporters know Berniebros don't exist, but Bernie doesn't know that

They must think he's clueless . . .

[Andy823]

21. Yep,

I really don't see why Bernie would feel he has to address this issue, if it's not really an issue, and just made up lies. I never heard of the Bernie Bros till Manny Goldstein, who was BANNED from DU, started using it to address those who flocked to his threads and gave him all those recs. If it is some kind of a "false lie made up by Clinton supporters, why was Manny addressing his followers with that term back in November? Was he really a "Clinton supporter"?

[bettyellen]

34. Manny fooled a lot of people into thinking parroting RW talking points was smart....

and it is pretty fucking amusing these people go one about integrity and other people "losing their souls".
He jumped that shark, and lots here have still not figured out his real aim.

[frylock]

37. Proving once again that conservatives don't do comedy or satire.

[bettyellen]

45. The hero worship he inspired here was satire- and only those fawning were not in on it.

Sucks to be used like that, and impossible for most people to admit to themselves. But the man loved Republicans, and only ever pretended to like two living democrats his entire life. The rest were the devil When people tell you what they are- believe them!

Only suckers believed he was ever actually liberal.

[frylock]

46. !

[bettyellen]

48. I think it is hilarious, but rude to laugh at this so duped.

[frylock]

49. !!

[mikehiggins]

26. Problem is the Obama boys from the 2008 campaign

Somehow it seems like the same complaints from the HRC campaign thawed out and recycled. I guess we won't see any pictures of Obama in a dashiki though. Bernie in a yamulka? Waiting for it.

[Maedhros]

16. This thread is in need of some proper perspective:

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31/the-bernie-bros-narrative-a-cheap-false-campaign-tactic-masquerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

If you’re a Clinton media supporter, the last thing you want to do is talk about her record in helping to construct the supremely oppressive and racist U.S. penal state. You don’t even want to acknowledge what Alexander and Coates wrote. You most certainly don’t want to talk about how she’s drowning both personally and politically in Wall Street money. You sure don’t want to talk about what her bombing campaign did to Libya, or the military risks that her no-fly zone in Syria would entail, or the great admiration and affection she proclaimed for Egyptian despot Hosni Mubarak, or revisit her steadfast advocacy of the greatest political crime of this generation, the invasion of Iraq. You don’t want to talk about her vile condemnation of “superpredators,” or her record on jobs-destroying trade agreements, or the fact that she changed her position from vehement opposition to support for marriage equality only after polls and most Democratic politicians switched sides.

Indeed, outside of a very small number of important issues where her record is actually good, you don’t want to talk much at all about her actual beliefs and actions. Watch how many progressive endorsements of Clinton simply ignore all of that. It’s much better to re-direct the focus away from Hillary Clinton’s history of beliefs and policy choices onto the repugnant, stray comments of obscure, unknown, anonymous people on the internet claiming (accurately or not) to be supporters of Bernie Sanders. The fact that it may be an effective tactic — mostly because most Democratic media figures are equally fervent Clinton supporters and thus willing to unite to prop it up and endorse it — does not make it any less ugly or deceitful.

And, for good measure, tweets from Michelle Alexander:



and Ta-Nehisi Coates:

[stevenleser]

17. By all means, post things refuting Bernies judgement. This gets better every minute

[Fumesucker]

33. I proudly stand with Steven Leser v2.0.08, that dude was a keen judge of character

[kath]

19. Thanks for this, Maedhros. great post.

Quite a few of them are impervious to facts, but this might get through to some.

[Maedhros]

23. Greenwald has a talent for getting to the point. [n/t]

[frylock]

39. That's why conservatives on both sides of the aisle have such a great dislike for him.

[Andy823]

20. So if it really is

A "cheap false campaign" tactic, why is it that back in November some here were using it, calling their followers "Bernie Bros" ?

Was this just some "cheap false campaign" tactic being used by the person at the link below change the subject on the "real" issues, and perhaps the poster was really working for "Hillary"?

Please check out the post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

[frylock]

40. That's a Third Way Manny post ffs!

[burrowowl]

25. Good for Him!

[boston bean]

30. these bros have no sense of self awareness.

They dont think he means them!

[Fumesucker]

35. Indeed, the bros need to be brought to heel

[boston bean]

36. Like I said. But I hate repeating myself.

[frylock]

41. Then stop doing it.

[boston bean]

42. Stop doing what?

[beam me up scottie]

38. When will Hillary tell her supporters to stop attacking other women?

Steinem, Albright, Granholm and her supporters online all attacking women who support Bernie.

[R B Garr]

43. Kick

[Sheepshank]

47. seems like a good reminder, for all the good it will do.

the last time something like this was posted, the Bernie supporters swarmed and defended their nasty talking points and even questioned the veracity of this statement from their fearless leader. Change comes hard to so many.

[R B Garr]

53. Exactly, and someone is now trying to use "Clintonbrahs"

as a self-made cheap shot payback. As we all know, Berniebro has its origin in print media and now national news. If I tried to create an insult for Bernie here, it would be hidden.

[Sheepshank]

55. you don't have to insult Bernie to get a post hidden

you can re-post Bernie supporters own words with a link, and the post will get hidden.

[R B Garr]

64. Absolutely, yes, I've seen that. One in particular is the

most vile and nastiest things I've ever seen on a newsy type message board. Other examples come to mind, too.

But can't say too much more..

[farleftlib]

52. Sexist crap?

You mean like refusing to vote for Hillary?

[Trajan]

54. So far and few between

This is manufactured by the same people who brought you 'Obama Boys' in 2008 ....

Malarkey ...

[Go Vols]

66. yep

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481627/-WOW-Before-the-sexist-Bernie-Bro-Clinton-supporters-created-the-sexist-Obama-boy-No-seriously

[SidDithers]

58. DU rec...

for the 5th or 6th time.



Sid

[malokvale77]

59. When will Hillary...

Condemn 'Hill Shills' ?

Such weak sauce.

[VulgarPoet]

65. K/R.

It's not about the gender or race.

It's about the issues, and what the candidates' voting records represent for our future.