People in Flint are pissed at Hillary

[pinebox]

People are finally starting to see her and her charades.

BACKLASH: Flint Residents ACCUSE Hillary Clinton Of Using Them To Get Political Scout Badge
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/07/backlash-flint-residents-accuse-hillary-clinton-of-using-them-to-get-political-scout-badge/

Residents of Flint, Michigan are pissed that Hilary Clinton is using them for votes. Clinton went to Flint to supposedly bring awareness to the water crisis that has been ignored for years. Sanders and Clinton are neck-and-neck in the polls right now, and it is becoming apparent that Sanders will likely win the primary on Tuesday.

Along the campaign trail, Clinton decided to stop in the primarily African American city of Flint, Michigan. Clinton portrays herself as being there for the people and to help them get out of their situation, but she is really only there for selfish reasons.

Clinton begins by saying how “blessed” she feels to be there and that she wishes it were for another reason, trying to pull on the audience’s heart strings, but failing miserably. Many of the residents who gathered at the church for Clinton’s speech knew she was spewing out bullsh*t left and right. Clinton had her own reasons for visiting Flint, she wasn’t there for the water crisis.

Clinton goes on to lie about the ‘real’ reason she is there:



Clinton’s false compassion is sickening. Families are struggling, their children are getting sick, and they need better living conditions. Hillary just uses the visit as a good deed badge to add to her vest so she can bring it up in the future when talking herself up. Flint residents do not want to be on a “help the needy” commercial; they aren’t there to make Hillary look good, they have real struggles and she is using them to her own disgusting advantage.

Arnette Rison III, in regards to Clinton coming to Flint says:

[oasis]

1. How many people? Should we expect a demonstration?

[bigtree]

24. these folks

...were very happy she came and spoke with them:



Here's what one Flint resident had to say about the idea HRC was politicizing the water crisis

[MariaThinks]

51. imagine that helping to bring attention to a problem is considered politizing by bernie supporters

but Bernie on snl is a humanitarian move.

Bernie supporters are destroying their candidate. We judge trump by the white supremists that support him. we will judge Bernie now by the 'always complaining, full of hatred toward hillary' that his supporters are showing.

In the end I guess the Bernie supporters would rather have a republican president. Maybe that's their plan all along.


I do not read the same level of lies and hatred from Hillary supporters towards Bernie.

[Perogie]

58. there's a link so I don't think it's Bernie supporters.

[arikara]

163. See post #2

n/t

[CorporatistNation]

140. PineBox... GREAT POST... I HOP YOU DON'T MIND AS I BORROWED YOUR LINK>>>

THANKS!

[applegrove]

71. LOL! GOP is really pissed when Hillary connects to voters.

[frazzled]

2. But they're more pissed at Sanders

who doesn't even care enough to come. He's too busy pandering to young people, falsely promising them free tuition and "revolution" to get their votes. He has no compassion whatsoever, and they know he's spewing bullsh*t left and right. It's sickening.

I know 7 people in Flint, and they have told me this.

[jeff47]

7. They should head on down to the campaign office Sanders just opened in Flint and complain

about how he didn't do a one-day photo op, and instead is setting up a long-term presence.

[bigtree]

36. meh

Hillary Clinton's campaign to open 3 offices in Michigan
Detroit office will open first, followed by Flint, Grand Rapids

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/elections/hillary-clintons-campaign-to-open-3-offices-in-michigan

[merrily]

107. Thanks, jeff47!

[shenmue]

35. Yeah

[dpatbrown]

42. You're kidding, right?

Sanders would never do something for a photo op. Never. You see, he's honest. He's not promising anyone anything. He's saying that if you want it, you will have to work hard to get votes. Clinton folks are scared to death (and Wall Street) about Sanders' chances. And then you go on to say that he has no compassion. That's plain ridiculous.

[Ferd Berfel]

69. It's just Hillary people trying to spin her crap

Rather Rovian, isn't it?

[winterwar]

47. I'm in Flint all the time

Who's pissed at Sanders? The seven people you know? In a city of 100,000 plus?

[Mnpaul]

70. Sanders: Michigan Governor Must Resign over Flint Lead-Poisoning Crisis

JANUARY 16, 2016

BURLINGTON, Vt. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Saturday called on Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder to resign for his administration’s failure to deal with a lead-poisoning crisis that has sickened thousands of children in Flint, Michigan.

“There are no excuses. The governor long ago knew about the lead in Flint’s water. He did nothing. As a result, hundreds of children were poisoned. Thousands may have been exposed to potential brain damage from lead. Gov. Snyder should resign,” Sanders said.

Problems with Flint’s public water system date to a decision nearly two years ago by a receiver, appointed by the governor, who decided to cut costs by drawing the city’s drinking water from the polluted Flint River instead of from Lake Huron.

The governor and other state officials knew – but did not acknowledge until last fall – that the river water was corroding pipes and causing lead to leach into the drinking water. The decision not to add chemicals to prevent corrosion of the pipes was made at the direction of the governor’s Department of Environmental Quality. The state health department in Michigan apparently knew about elevated lead levels in the blood of children but did not warn the public.

“Because of the conduct by Gov. Snyder’s administration and his refusal to take responsibility, families will suffer from lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. Children in Flint will be plagued with brain damage and other health problems. The people of Flint deserve more than an apology,” Sanders said.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/michigan-governor-must-resign/

Spoken like someone who doesn't give a damn?

[tblue37]

83. What nonsense. Good that HRC is there to bring attention to the situation, but Bernie has also

repeatedly spotlighted their plight.

When Bernie was approached by someone at a restaurant and asked if he wanted to meet Sandra Bland's mother and sister, he said, "Yes, please," and then spoke with them. They took a picture with him, but he never even mentioned that he had met them or attempted to collect points for it. The only reason the public found out about his kindness toward Bland's mother and sister is that the young minister who first approached him in the restaurant posted the picture and story on her own blog, where she commented on how much Bland's loved ones appreciated Bernie's genuine compassion and, especially, that he never once attempted to score political points for the meeting or the picture, although he was *saying her name* in every speech he gave, along with the names of other black people murdered by racist cops.

You can appreciate Hillary's gesture without spewing ugly slurs against Sanders, you know.

[longship]

114. I am a Bernie supporter, but you response is okay with me.

Have a heart from me.

And have a nice day.

[tblue37]

133. Thank you, but in case you didn't notice, I am also a Bernie supporter. I was arguing

with the poster who claimed Bernie had no compassion. My point was that he just doesn't make a public display of his compassion to score political points.

I believe Clinton's Flint visit is both necessary (for Flint) and well meant, even if she might benefit from it politically. She should not be slammed for going there, especially when she was *asked* to. But for a Clinton supporter to then turn around and claim that Bernie "has no compassion whatsoever" is simply outrageous, and that is why I told the story of his kindness toward Sandra Bland's mother and sister, which he never attempted to score political points for. We know of it only because their friend wrote about it and posted the picture on her own blog:

https://soulunbound.com/2015/10/14/when-bernie-promised-to-sayhername-sandrabland/


“That’s Bernie Sanders,” my sister said, indicating an unpretentious man with a full head of white hair that had slipped past me and tucked himself into a table in the shadowy corner of East Street Cafe, a Thai restaurant in Washington DC’s Union Station.

(SNIP)

Bringing Ms. Geneva back over to the table, I felt my body trembling. The trembling continued as Ms. Geneva sat down next to Senator Sanders and they began to talk. I was not trembling out of fear or out of being star-struck, it was more that I was completely blown away by the unexpectedness of it all, the sacredness of the moment, and the sincerity of all involved. You do not often get to witness moments like that. Moments when agendas are laid aside and people who might not otherwise ever have the chance to connect without cameras watching can simply honor one another’s pain and humanity.

“What happened to your daughter is inexcusable,” he said. “We are broken, and this has exposed us.” He then continued by promising that he would continue to #SayHerName #SandraBland and would not give up in the pursuit of justice.

We asked Senator Sanders if we could take a picture with him and he consented. He did not impose upon Ms. Geneva to ask for a picture of his own. He did not use the moment as an opportunity to promote his campaign. He took no record, he made no statement. He did not try to turn it into a publicity stunt. He simply made space for a sacred moment, and then let it pass without trying to gain anything from it.

(SNIP)

Here us the picture that he made no attempt to exploit for political points:

?w=450&h=300


ON EDIT: In case I wasn't clear, I was thanking you for the heart. It is a lovely gesture. I am pretty low profile here, so I don't usually get them. It is very sweet of you!

[longship]

134. Thank you for that.

My best to you!

[tblue37]

136. Thanks, also, to the kind person who gave me that second heart after longship's gift of the first. n

[ebayfool]

137. That was so touching and this is the 1st I heard of it.

Bernie is a fine human being. And that is probably the highest praise I can think to say about anybody.

A fine human being. They can be hard to find.

[sammythecat]

162. "He has no compassion whatsoever,..."

Gods save us from this ruthless and cruel man! This monster!

Americans will long for the halcyon days of the Civil War and the Great Depression should we ever be subjected to the sadism and terror this would be tyrant seeks to impose on us all.

[Mike Nelson]

3. How awful...

...and ungrateful the Flint residents are... Still, I would continue to draw attention to their plight.

[oregonjen]

5. Seriously? You're calling Flint residents who have been poisoned ungrateful??

[Mike Nelson]

9. Yes, to attack Hillary...

...but I hope she continues to do everything she can to help them. It's the correct thing to do...

[JudyM]

14. Um, sarcasm?

[Mike Nelson]

18. I would ignore the...

...backlash/criticism and keep doing what she's doing. The debate being there, for example, draws national attention. If Hillary said/did nothing, people would be asking why she wasn't stepping up to use her influence to help...

[passiveporcupine]

82. what is her influence doing to help?

The best thing that ever happened to Bush was 911. People loved him after it happened, because it let him pretend to be a savior. Peaple were scared and angry and needed someone to bang the drums for them. But that's all he did until he took us into a war that had nothing to do with 911. Flint is Hillary's 911. Instead of standing up on a pile of rubble, she is standing on a stage with a mic instead of a megaphone, screaming "I'm hear for you" ..."We are going to get these bastards".

If she actually does something good, like using her foundation to provide funds and/or donations of water or filters, then good for her. She's not in the senate now so she can't try to get funding with a bill. If all she is doing is using this to make herself look like she cares (especially for black people), I don't see how that is helping anyone, except her, and it's not really helping her either. it's too transparent.

But I've not been on top of what she is doing there. So...just what is she doing besides "talk"?

[Dragonfli]

120. her personal fortune is in the 3 digit millions range

Not that she would part with a dime of her corrupt money to buy a single filtration system or jug of water. (speaking for billionaires is hard work! Why should she?)

Haiti sweatshop builders need the Foundation money so that is off the table too.
Lets face it, she is too flat broke to lend them a hand with any tangible aid, or is it morally bankrupt? I get the two terms confused sometimes.

[noamnety]

25. Wait, what has she done to help them?

I haven't been that up on the details there. I knew she said it was bad and was related to racism, but I didn't know she was actually helping out in some way.

[LisaM]

34. Well, she did go campaign against Snyder in 2014.

There's that.

[leftofcool]

61. Actually she is. Keeping pressure on their Governor and the Congress

Keeping the issue in the forefront is helping. Hillary has a voice and people do listen.

[840high]

66. Like fracking?

[jwirr]

68. Well if I am not mistaken Hillary has a lot of influence with

corporations and it was a corporation that poisoned the water in Flint so she should use her power to make the corporation toe the line.

But she will not.

[John Poet]

102. She could tell them to "cut it out!"

Right?

[jwirr]

149. Exactly, we can test her methods right now!

[MrMickeysMom]

79. What, now?

Are those bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, toxic, toxic, toxic, toxic people who don't have a superPAC daring not to love the Clinton?

[rhett o rick]

119. She is a super-wealthy person that is using them for her gain.

She doesn't care for them. Maybe give them "cake".

[zeemike]

50. Jury results.

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[BainsBane]

146. This is a cheap propaganda piece

It's not a news article. Don't blame the people of Flint. This is about the pathological level of hatred of Clinton that leads some to oppose efforts to stop the poisoning of residents there.

[treestar]

4. You've really got to be a Hillary hater to twist her appearance there like that

Her compassion is not "false."

Geez if bernie went there it would not be described like that.

[guillaumeb]

12. Agreed. From a Sanders supporter. Supporters of both candidates should be willing to agree that

this issue is directly related to racism. Both candidates agree. Credit should be given when/where it is due.

[shenmue]

37. Of course, but some people think spewing personal attacks

is equal to having a counter-argument.

[still_one]

56. I might be going out on a limb, but I think you are on to something there

[creatives4innovation]

75. I think we need to join forces in Flint

[Beartracks]

95. ... and in the Voting Booth in November.

Just sayin'.



===========================

[passiveporcupine]

109. I agree she is truly compassionate about children

But that does not stop her from using this incident as a photo op, without actually being able to do anything to help. If she followed up with some help from her foundation, I might be more swayed that it's not just a photo op.

Hey, I'm just grateful she didn't charge them 200K for a speech.

[riversedge]

6. such a vile RW trashy site. And it is truly a hate filled article. Why do you bring trash

such as this to DU??

[frazzled]

13. They don't care if it's trash

They don't care about ugly, threatening supporters; or campaign staff stealing data and using false flyers and false advertising. They don't care about spewing false rumors from right-wing sites. It's revolution "by any means necessary" doncha know. There is not a shred of ethics in these hateful posts, or, by extension, I'm beginning to believe, in this campaign.

[LisaM]

31. I know.

It really makes me upset.

[navarth]

59. They? Who's they?

[pinebox]

49. Bipartisan Report isn't a RW site lol

[Bryce Butler]

54. They consider any site...

that has a negative article on Hillary to be RW.

[agracie]

88. Yes.

[senz]

129. +100

[Beacool]

170. Because they don't give a fig as long as it's an article bashing Hillary.

[jeff47]

8. If only Clinton had connections with a multi-billion dollar charity that could provide real help.

Oh well. Guess the photo op will have to do.

[Sienna86]

27. This.

[Akicita]

57. BINGO!!!!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

138. hit that one out of the park

still going

[GreydeeThos]

10. Bernie tried the same thing last month

The trouble is Bernie Sanders is such an inept politician, he was unable to gain any traction with his efforts.

Sanders calls for Michigan governor to resign over Flint water crisis

Charleston, South Carolina (CNN) Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on Saturday called for Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder to resign over Flint's drinking water crisis.

Sanders said there were "no excuses" for the prolonged water issues in Flint, which started two years ago when the state choose to switch the city's water supply from Lake Huron to the Flint River in an effort to save money.

"The governor long ago knew about the lead in Flint's water. He did nothing. As a result, hundreds of children were poisoned," Sanders said in a statement. "Thousands may have been exposed to potential brain damage from lead. Gov. Snyder should resign."

[FlatBaroque]

21. I believe Gov Snyder will be following Bernie's request and will resign shortly

pretty sure of it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. And to think that Hillary is so bad that she is losing to an inept politician.

That says tons about her inability to run a campaign.

[GreydeeThos]

26. .

[still_one]

76. Really. Let's see what you have to say after Super Tuesday

[Maedhros]

89. 'Inept politician'.

That statement is obviously false to even the most casual of observers.

[passiveporcupine]

97. Snyder? Seriously?

You really think Snyder gives a shit what Bernie says? Snyder doesn't give a shit what the voters of Michigan say. The only way he steps down is if he's recalled or voted out.

But Bernie calling for his resignation may have reached some of the people in Michigan so that they may work together to try to unseat him.

Bernie was not wrong to ask him to resign, but he knew if was just a gesture and that Snyder wouldn't do it.

However, Bernie is good at raising grass roots movements, so he may be able to bring some people together to put pressure on a recall or something.

Unfortunately, this is not the time...not is the middle of a campaign.

[GreydeeThos]

147. Bernie tried for the National headlines - and failed

Hillary got front page billing.

'Ya gotta' know how to work the press.

[passiveporcupine]

166. Hillary has the press bought lock stock and barrel

She doesn't have to work at it.

It's a known fact. The press has been studiously ignoring Bernie and fawning all over her.

But they can't keep a good man down.

[Nanjeanne]

11. What? I thought the problem was solved now that she went there.

[kath]

15. LOL. People aren't as gullible as you think, Hillary.

[Squinch]

30. If people are believing the right wing rag that reported this, maybe they are.

[kath]

32. This is not the first article that reported that some people in Flint recognized her visit as the

Pandering and exploitation of a tragedy that it was.

[tecelote]

16. Not sure what she was doing there but...

How about holding people accountable?

All these kids lives are changed forever yet no one gets in trouble?

Come on Hillary, demand justice!

Heads should roll!

[A Simple Game]

81. We don't want to be holding politicians accountable.

It could set a precedent or something.

[passiveporcupine]

106. Maybe she told them to "cut it out"

[questionseverything]

130. the repub gov should of been arrested by now

same old crap

no prosecutions for the bankers or wallstreet, or for the torturers or for guys that poison entire cities

[Nonhlanhla]

17. How do you know her compassion is false?

Have you looked into her heart? There are many stories over the years about Hillary's compassion, so this assertion simply rings false to me. Just because she is ALSO a politician who does what politicians do, does not mean that she's a cold-hearted .... well, you know. Or do you not think that a woman can be both compassionate and seek political power?

I'm sick of this negative campaign against Hillary. There is plenty of reason to criticize her, but this relentless series of attacks, so mean-spirited, so often twisting the facts in order to suit a pre-existing narrative about Hillary, is just tiresome.

[senz]

96. When has Hillary EVER stood up for the poor and powerless?

[Nonhlanhla]

112. Really?

Did you not do your homework before you decided on a candidate?

Perhaps you should research Hillary a bit more. Totally fine if you don't want to support her, but this nonsense about how she is evil incarnate that I hear from so many Bernie supporters is making me sick.

[senz]

117. I've been well aware of HRC since 1993.

[Nonhlanhla]

118. Then you should be aware of

some of the ways in which she has stood up for the poor and the powerless. Your previous post indicated that you are not aware of a single instant. That indicates either complete unawareness of Hillary's record, or simply a refusal to see any good in her.

You know, your candidate has claimed that he does not want to run a negative campaign. But his supporters are doing it for him.

[senz]

122. ...

See what you're doing here, Nonhlanhla?

I was talking about Hillary. I was not talking about you. I have reasons, good reasons, to be against a HRC candidacy. But I have no opinion whatsoever of you and said nothing negative about you.

But look what you're doing here: you're casting insults at Bernie's supporters generally at me obliquely. You're turning it personal and ugly. That's not very nice. Defend your candidate as best you can but don't say mean things about the supporters of another candidate. It's simply not necessary.

[Nonhlanhla]

127. Excuse me?!

Where did I say that you said anything about me? My original response in this thread challenged the notion that Hillary lacks compassion for the people in Flint. You then responded by asking when she had EVER done anything good for the poor and powerless. I responded to that by asking if you had not done your homework (because if you had, you would know the answers to your question). You then said you've been aware of her since 1993. I responded, in that case you should know what good she has done for others. And I also said that this negative campaigning coming from the Bernie side is starting to make me really sick. It is one thing to be against a candidate. It's quite another to constantly smear her as lacking in compassion etc.

That is the whole conversation so far, in a nutshell. I did not suggest that you had said anything about me. But it is true that I have said something about Bernie's supporters such as yourselves: you are engaging in a lot of negative campaigning. This thread is a clear example of that. The idea that Hillary is some cold-hearted b... who just used Flint for her own gain without having any compassion is just a typical smear coming from the Bernie side.

I like Bernie, by the way. See, it is possible to not support someone and yet see what good they have done and could possibly do if they become president. I do not have to malign him to oppose his candidacy. His online supporters, on the other hand...

Goodbye.

[99Forever]

113. How do we know her compassion is false?

We know her history. Apparently you don't. Sorry to hear of your sickness and tiredness. Perhaps you should see a medical professional. (If you can afford to.)

[Nonhlanhla]

116. Wow, Bernie supporters are so nice

Your..compassion...is just dripping from your post.

[99Forever]

124. Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

I truly don't care. I care about the future of my grandkids and the damage that another Clinton as POTUS will do to it.

[zappaman]

19. Ok. n/t

[Dragonfli]

20. Ironic I guess that I posted this earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1341502

It's obvious, she released a couple dozen million of her multi million dollar fortune

To hire people to at least get a start on replacing lead pipes, installing home filtration systems and supplying some temporary bottled water to the people in Flint.

Oh wait, she forget to do it, must be a staffer's screw up (fired now I am sure) she did hire a photographer for a photo OP, that should help them much more than giving them drinkable water which is far less tangible, especially with the harsh words added during the photo op.

Giving them water would be like forcing people to receive welfare rather than the dignity of extreme poverty, remember the 90's? She knows how to help those in need by NOT helping them, she is a Zen master that way.

[840high]

67. .+10

[A Simple Game]

85. Back off on the photos. She's going to let Flint residents have copies for the discount price.

Extra of course if stamped with her signature.

And some say she doesn't have a heart!

[RiverLover]

22. She forgot its been going on 2 years now.

While Clinton Inc was raking in $1.5 million for one hour speeches in soft campaign money.

[oasis]

33. Hillary spotlighted the plight of Flint residents in a recent debate.

This is why they are getting help now.

[Lazy Daisy]

38. Neither campaign even mentioned this

until the story blew up, thanks to Rachel Maddow. Hillary is not the reason they are getting help, Rachel is.

[Trajan]

78. We heard about Flint for some time

I had no idea that the only impetus for correcting the Flint problem was the presence of Hillary Clinton ...

Is that true? ... Is what you just said true?

Flint is now getting help only because Hillary came to town?

[oasis]

152. At the close of a Jan. debate, Hillary criticized the water problems in Flint.

Then, and only then, did things get really moving.

Of course Rachel Maddow had previously covered the problem in depth, but, obviously nothing was done.

[merrily]

108. So untrue!

[oasis]

150. Why is Gov. Snyder finally getting up off his ass and doing something?

A little birdie told him I guess

[mariawr]

154. Gov Synder is on his way to a recall. nt

[oasis]

156. That may be, but is not the answer to question I asked.

It's too hard to admit that Hillary played a key role in helping Flint. Wow, just wow.

[merrily]

169. Rachel Maddow shone a spotlight on this and got people up in arms, both

the people who live there and the people who have heard about it. You really think Hillary did that with one speech about how much better things will be when she's President?

[oasis]

172. "People up in arms" yep, and all that arm waving got 'em nada.

Hillary's comments are what mobilized the rescue of Flint.

[merrily]

173. LOL! ok. nt

[senz]

126. No, she jumped on a bandwagon. Flint has been in the news for well over a year.

The water situation has been publicized and discussed for months with no attention from Hillary.

Hillary needed to improve her "likability" and "warmth" profile, so her advisory team saw an opportunity in Flint.

[oasis]

151. "Been in the news well over a year". So what? Not

a damn thing was done for the town until Hillary got her campaign to light a fire under their asses. Facts are facts.

[senz]

153. Not true. She got there just a little too late to take credit

with any credibility whatsoever.

Don't worry; her advisers will come up with a new "cause" for her. Just wait.

[oasis]

155. Not true because YOU say so? The people of Flint know

better, that's what counts.

[senz]

157. Not true because it didn't work. She, a master of political

manipulation, did not succeed in her effort to appear the great Flint savior.

Don't worry; she'll try something else.

[oasis]

158. So who elected you spokesperson for the people of Flint?

[senz]

159. Not me. The Hillary-loving media

hasn't been able to credit her last-minute grandstanding with making any difference whatsoever.

[oasis]

160. Again, the people of Flint know. Their gratitude extends to

both Rachel and Hillary. Live with it.

[senz]

161. If they paid attention, they saw that she showed up for the photo-op.

Hillary has no history of supporting the poor and the marginalized. They simply are not her constituency.

[oasis]

164. Members Hillary's staff contacted Flint officials weeks

before, assessed the situation, and got the ball rolling. Yes, the people of Flint were paying attention. As far as helping the "poor and marginalized" , do some proper homework and you'll find she has done far more for them than your candidate.

[senz]

165. Well then why don't you start an OP

on Hillary's concern for the 99%?

[oasis]

167. I don't do OPs. I'm working with a small IPad

with my thick fingers. It's enough to keep up with the typing as it is. Imagine me replying back and forth to a bunch of wise cracking anti-Hills who would never be convinced to go with Hillary, even if she discovered a cure for cancer.

Go to the DU Hillary Group and you can peruse through the accomplisments/endorsement topics pinned at the top.

[senz]

168. Well okay, it's been a pleasure talking

or I guess we should say, typing.

[oasis]

174. Peace

[randys1]

28. Meanwhile, in GOP world, they are thinking up new ways to poison non whites.

[Tarc]

29. A right-winger's blog?

[George II]

46. Precisely. The right wing wants Sanders to win because he'd be an easier opponent to beat.

[applegrove]

39. GOP obviously really afraid Clinton might connect with

the public on this issue. Psychopaths do that... they try and diminish any human connection their mark may have by painting it as hypocritical. Such is their fear of normal human beings bonding.

[ejbr]

40. If it was me

I would have done something a la Jimmy Carter with news crews, and give a news conference on how you can help, along with expected lambasting of the appropriate culprits. But to just use it for yourself can be very transparent

[Andy823]

41. So the mayor invited her

And you found one person who wasn't happy. If the mayor would have invited Bernie would you be pissed, and would you be saying he only went to get votes?

[George II]

43. Many more were very happy she went out to Flint to bring attention to what's going on....

.....out there.

Who is Kinsley Ryan anyway?

[pnwmom]

44. CNN found a LOT more people in Flint who are very happy she came.

And a Mayor who said she's the only candidate in either party to come there.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/07/politics/hillary-clinton-flint-michigan-water-2016-election/index.html

Clinton's speech was well received. At different points, attendees shouted "President Hillary" or "Madame President." When she closed, a woman stood and yelled, "It's your time Hillary."

After the event, Clinton was swarmed with people, some of whom shared stories about the constant struggle of filtering their water and dealing with possible lead poisoning.

Clinton met with mothers impacted by the contaminated water before the event and pledged to the mayor and pastors form the church that she will "not let the light dim" on Flint.

SNIP

On Sunday, congregants rejected the idea Clinton was using the issue.

"When you have gone through a lot like many of black folks and minorities and women have struggled with all of their lives and then along comes a public servant like Hillary Clinton, you know the real deal when you see it," said Gerald Matthews, a 72-year-old retiree who has lived in Flint for over 40 years.

Matthews said he would have used foul language to describe people arguing the Clinton is politicizing the issue, but didn't want to in a house of worship.

Pastor Kenneth Stewart who preached to the audience before Clinton arrived, was speechless after Clinton's remarks, openly crying from the pulpit after her remarks.

"Hillary Clinton is on the waiting list and about nine months from now the United States is going to give birth to a president and I am praying that it is going to be a girl," the pastor said, adding later that he was "just proud to have Hillary Clinton in our city."

SNIP

[Andy823]

45. Some Bernie supporters disagree with you

I applaud those who support Bernie, yet can see that this was not a bad thing for her to do.

[Beacool]

48. False compassion???

Screw whoever write that and the horse they rode on.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

52. "SOME PEOPLE SAY..." Yawn.... a lot of people say a lot of different stuff. (note Im advocating

for critical thinking skills.... not any particular one candidate or another.) "Some people say" reportage should be taken as only just that. Its interesting, but hardly comprehensive .

[hollowdweller]

53. Could the Clinton Foundation help Flint?

Or are they mainly for foreign aid stuff?

[leftofcool]

62. The legalities would have to be worked out.

There may be state issues.

[jeff47]

99. Uh...no.

Turns out, handing out free water filters requires....water filters.

[artislife]

105. Can they donate to someone who can?

You know I am not a Hillary supporter, but she has access for the kind of money that could really help the people of Flint. And to me, that is more important than scoring political points for my candidate or not.

They need help and they need it now.

They will need help for the future for medical expenses and environmental clean up, too.

This is a national tragedy.

[nxylas]

64. The clue's in the name

The Clinton Foundation mainly helps people named Clinton.

[Trajan]

80. LOL ...

[jeff47]

98. If they wanted to. (nt)

[still_one]

55. The entire state of Michigan is outraged, that is why she is only up 32 points in the latest poll

there:

Michigan Democratic Presidential Primary
Clinton +32

Arkansas Democratic Presidential Primary
Clinton +32

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary
Clinton + 26

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[pinebox]

60. Michigan elected a Republican Governor. Enough said.

[still_one]

65. What an inane statement. The poll I provided was what DEMOCRATS in Michigan thought, not what

republicans thought


So I guess with your "brilliant" logic, if Bernie does well in a poll where they have a republican governor, blah, blah, blah

Just keep drolling on with your nonsense

[zappaman]

73. C'mon.

That was funny!

[still_one]

74. This thread is so predictable. If Hillary found the cure for cancer I would not be surprised to

see a thread pop up stating that Hillary is contributing to the over population problem

[zappaman]

84. Give the OP a break

It can't be easy coming up with 8-10 new anti-Clinton posts every day!

[still_one]

91. Thanks, you made me smile

[pinebox]

123. Sure lol

[Prism]

144. So glad I was not drinking during this thread

That. Is. Amazing.

[left-of-center2012]

63. How many bottles of water did she donate?

Oh, none.

[HooptieWagon]

72. Maybe she's nearly dead broke.

It's not like she has a billion dollar charitable foundation...oh, wait.

[Maedhros]

93. Former Portland Trail Blazer, Detroit Piston and Boston Celtic Rasheed Wallace

drove a truck full of bottled water from North Carolina to Flint.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/02/05/rasheed-wallace-drives-truck-filled-with-bottled-water-from-north-carolina-to-flint-michigan/

Rasheed Wallace, the retired power forward who helped bring an NBA Championship to the Detroit Pistons in 2004, is giving back to the state of Michigan yet again. The Twitter account for the North Carolina Tar Heels basketball team, Wallace’s alma mater, tweeted Thursday night that the 41-year-old was driving roughly 700 miles from North Carolina to deliver bottled water to Flint, Mich., which has been dealing with an ongoing water crisis.

Wallace was drafted by the Washington Bullets with the fourth pick in the 1995 NBA draft and spent 16 seasons in the NBA. He averaged 13.8 points per game and 7.2 rebounds per game in 399 games with Detroit. He joins a growing list of spots figures who have aided the city of Flint as it works to purify its heavily contaminated water.

Detroit Lions defensive end Ziggy Ansah donated 94,000 bottles of water last month. Pistons owner Tom Gores has begun the process of dolling out a $10 million fund to address the water problem. The Washington Redskins defensive line gave 3,600 bottles of Fiji water.

And he's not even running for office!

[MineralMan]

77. Two people in Flint, according to your link.

What about all of those people in Flint who applauded her? Do they not matter?

[pinebox]

141. I'm sure it's more than 2 considering 10 have died from it all :(

[renate]

86. so she goes to Flint, talks about the crisis, draws attention to it...

... I'm not sure how this is different from what Rachel Maddow did? (And anybody who doesn't love Rachel is nuts.)

The degree of Clinton-bashing is getting pretty ridiculous. Hillary is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. This kind of thing is just not helpful.

[complain jane]

92. I'm so sick

of the bashing too.

[Maedhros]

94. The criticism is coming from the people of Flint, not from the Internet.[n/t]

[PatrickforO]

87. I'm sure Clinton cares and I'm sure Bernie cares, too.

C'mon people.

[senz]

115. Bernie has a history of caring about these things. Hillary -- not so much.

[Mike Nelson]

90. Well now...

I gathered that the original post's thesis is that the people of Flint believe Hillary Clinton is heartlessly using the their tragedy to further her own political ambition (to become President). If true, this is repellant. I happen to believe she is genuinely concerned, and the people of Flint who find her behavior sickening are wrong. While I do not agree with their conclusion, I certainly do not blame them for being poisoned. I see the poisoned water and Hillary's perceived abuse of their situation as two entirely different issues.

[senz]

101. Sure took her a LONG TIME to notice the people of Flint.

Funny coincidence that she did so during primary season, just a few weeks before the Michigan primary.

[artislife]

100. If she could get the Clinton Foundation to donate

35,000 hudroelectric filters she could totally own this position.

And I say this, because the people of Flint need help now. And I don't care who benefits politically from such a good move.

The Foundation could totally pay for this.

[senz]

104. Precisely. Why doesn't she put her money where her mouth is?

What good is all that money, anyway? Might as well put it to good use.

[Arazi]

111. Agreed, she has a foundation with enough resources to solve this

instead she goes for a photo op

[FrenchieCat]

103. Thank GOD for attention to Flint.....

however it might come.

[Arazi]

110. From Rachel Maddow really. She's been hammering this for months

[Flying Squirrel]

121. She's got the money, she could donate some filters

Actions speak louder than words, after all.

[SamKnause]

125. Hillary has been unemployed for several years.

She has had ample time to visit Flint.

She is worth millions.

Her charity, the Clinton Foundation is worth billions.

Is her lip service really needed ???

She had the time.

She had the money.

Where has she been all this time ???

[senz]

131. ^^^ This ^^^

[underpants]

128. I could find 5 people to tell me they want to be a firetruck

The OP would be a likely candidate.

[pinebox]

142. So let's the bash the OP, eh?

Shoot the messenger much, bud?
I guess you're upset. Oh well.

[Persondem]

132. You mean "STUPID people in Flint are ...."

She put the problem on the map by bringing it up in the debate.

She goes to Flint and Bernie does SNL and he's cool hanging with Larry David while Clinton is spending her NH campaign time keeping the pressure on the MI PTB and you claim people are pissed are her?!?!? And you have the friggin' nerve to post this uber partisan POS post. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess what, ... she's up 30+ in MI. How ya like that?

[pinebox]

143. Are you serious? There's 10 people DEAD but people in Flint are stupid?

You need to chill, all I did was post a link to a news story and yet you project your false anger on me like I wrote it.
30+ up in points in MI like she was in the general election, eh? lol
Have fun with that.

Yes people are pissed at Hillary. Her foundation is worth billions. If Cher trucked in tons of bottled water, I'm sure she can as well. Put all these speaking fees to good use XD

[Persondem]

148. Yeah - 10 people dead - like Clinton had anything to do with that. BS smear is all it is.

Your "article" quoted all of one ONE, 1, uno, that's ONE person who had an issue with Clinton and even her quote didn't sound all that angry.

Garbage political BS. If anyone is using the people of Flint it's people like you and the author of the article.

Where's your guy, Bernie in all of this????????? Waxing poetic about income inequality???? Got news for you, people in Flint can't drink pretty words about income inequality.

And I will gladly take 30+ points up .. primaries are state by state and MI is looking good for Clinton.

[Eric J in MN]

135. I support her visit and I'm a Sanders supporter.

It's a given that candidates do things for votes. What matters is whether they're doing the right things for votes.

George H. W. Bush visiting a flag factory: a cheap way to get votes with visuals.

Hillary Clinton going to Flint, Michigan: a valid way to get votes.

[ViseGrip]

139. Now there is a known problem in Chicago! Will Hillary be heading there next?

[BainsBane]

145. This is absurd

clearly the piece isn't even an effort at real journalist but instead a hate-filled hit piece. But more than that, the idea that Sanders supporters resent attention brought to the poisoned water in Flint because of their hatred of Clinton says more about themselves than anything else.

The actual journalistic coverage of Clinton in Flint has been overwhelmingly positive.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#tbm=nws&q=clinton++flint



So now we see some Sanders supporters are pissed off Clinton dare to do anything to address an emergency. They prefer nothing be done, that the Flint residents continue to drink poisoned water. Their anger at the public attention to this problem demonstrations prefer to see people continue to be poisoned that have a politician draw attention to the issue and try to resolve it says everything about who they are. We saw a similar response when she announced a jobs program for the coal regions in W Virginia. Some Sanders supporters were furious. They openly opposed the jobs program. How dare Clinton seek to do anything to address poverty? A true, honest politician devotes himself to ensuring the children of families with incomes over $250k a year (the dividing line between Sanders and Clinton's education proposals) don't have to pay tuition or suffer the indignity of having to work 10 hours a week to contribute to their own education, as though they were plebes or something.

The article denounces Clinton's supposed fake compassion, based on nothing--no evidence, just the simple fact that the "journalist's" fundamental concern is her defeat, not the lives of the people of Flint. In so doing, it reveals the author incapable of even feigning compassion. How dare a politician act in the interests of the people, much less poor, black people in Flint? Clinton is a politician. She has never pretended to be a revolutionary. She doesn't pretend to be above the campaign finance system while raising hundreds of thousands from the big banks. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-is-no-revolutionary/2016/02/08/19a15618-cea3-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html
She could be busy using pictures of veterans on mailers without their permission, releasing (and then withdrawing) ads claiming endorsements that she never received, and pilfering through the data of her competitor--the sorts of things an "honest" hero of the people does. Instead, she is using her public profile to bring attention to a toxic disaster endangering the lives of real people.

This thread and others like it reveal just how high the stakes are in this election. When supporters of a candidate galvanized against efforts to save lives and stop children from being poisoned, they reveal something deeply disturbing about themselves and by extension their candidate. The immorality of this argument is bone chilling. To be so consumed by hatred of a Democrat that people resent efforts to stop their poisoning shows some deeply disturbing values.

I would never in a million years resent something being done that betters the lives of real people because I didn't favor the candidate executing it. Whenever I think I've seen the worst, something else arises. I fear there is no bottom.

[Beacool]

171. Here, let me save you the trouble.

[pinebox]

175. Allow me