2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThat Silver Bullet that some are waiting on to end Hillary Clinton’s candidacy-Not Going Happen
Email indictment-wont happen
Goldman Sachs transcripts-who cares; all politicians give paid speeches
Iraq vote Is that Bernie Sanders foreign policy experience?
She is more qualified than Bernie and the remaining GOP race put together.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)He must win by at least 10% in New Hampshire.
He must lose by less than 10% in Nevada.
He must cut into the black vote getting it to around 60-40% in S.Carolina.
If all of that happens, then March 1 could get very interesting.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)Did Hillary have to win Iowa by 10%?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)was in 2013, don't suck up millions to personally enrich themselves. Hillary is in a very small club on that one. Maybe even a club of one.
That is a text book case of conflict of interest.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You can argue about the Clinton Foundation but it's there.
Also in America most people don't find that a sin - if you can make money, it's considered fine. Few voters would respond to this.
cali
(114,904 posts)Most to corporations and particularly the financial industry. She did not donate all her proceeds from speeches.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)cause he hasn't done much.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Other than that, he's done more than her.
treestar
(82,383 posts)If you can command it.
Who says she has to live like a pauper to have compassion for others? Was that also true of FDR?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)speaking fees after NH, will be forgotten.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)US Congress for 25 years and if he is not a millionaire by now that his problem.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,207 posts)Things really get going after the 7 min. mark...
Dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, favoring McCain over Obama, etc., and her allusion to assassination.
She partially atoned for her actions, but KXL, Big Money, Big Oil, etc. gives me reservations.
I will vote Democratic, no matter who the nominee is, but I stand uncommitted right now.
Who is she really, inside? I don't think anyone of us knows!
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kath
(10,565 posts)Glad to see that it keeps popping up, especially in the past week or so.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)The only thing her foreign policy has over Bernie's is more death. Qualified indeed. Take care of yourself, if you get your way the world will only continue to become a harder place to live.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all of the things against her cumulatively might just do it
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)but you won't see it that way. most would say unfavorable numbers like these are probably due to all the scandals
Colorado
Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy; 52 - 46 percent that she has strong leadership qualities and 57 - 39 percent that she does not care about their needs and problems.
Iowa
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 52 - 43 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 55 - 39 percent.
Virginia
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 54 - 42 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 50 - 45 percent.
Florida
Clinton gets a negative 37 - 55 percent favorability rating and voters say 64 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Ohio
Ohio voters give Clinton a negative 36 - 54 percent favorability rating and say 60 - 34 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a negative 38 - 55 percent favorability rating and say 63 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Nicely done!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)on your part. congrats.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)FBaggins
(26,747 posts)I can see "She sure as heck didn't get paid a quarter of a million dollars for that. I wonder what it was for? " impacting a Democratic race.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)No doubt the average voter would read through hours of speech transcripts, and base their vote on whether they thought they were worth the money.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)n/t
FBaggins
(26,747 posts)It's highly unlikely that there are "hours" of speech transcripts for a Goldman Sachs speaking engagement.
They were short Q&A sessions.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)The point being that the average voter is not the least bit interested in this crapola.
The only people interested in those transcripts are Bernie supporters, who are pinning their hopes on the idea that they contain a "smoking gun" statement by HRC that will impact her campaign, clearing the way for Bernie to win the nomination.
Ain't gonna happen. And it's too bad that this is BS's only hope - because he can't win any other way.
FBaggins
(26,747 posts)The average Democratic primary voter absolutely cares if a large financial institution pays large sums of cash directly to a politician.
The only ones who don't either aren't Democrats or are pretending that they don't care because it's their candidate receiving the apparent graft. The only thing that keeps it from being a larger issue is that they assume that there might be some expertise on her part that actually justifies the large sums paid to her (as is implied by your assumption that there must be hours of transcripts for one of her speeches).
Transcripts of her remarks would make that fiction very difficult to support.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... is pretty much aware that politicians make enormous sums giving speeches. They also realize that their opinion of whether a speech was "worth" the money paid is pointless. If the buyer thinks they got what they paid for, that's all that matters.
"Transcripts of her remarks would make that fiction very difficult to support."
There's the tell. You haven't read the transcripts, but you've already determined that their value is a "fiction".
FBaggins
(26,747 posts)And that's where real Democrats have a legitimate concern. They're worried that GS will get what they paid for.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I still support Bernie and I still think he could win, but I recognize that she's the front runner, and I will support her for the general election if she gets the nomination.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)The Goldman Sachs speeches are hurting her because the price cannot be sufficiently explained away and we all know she will fight releasing the transcripts.
The Iraq war vote is representative of her judgment and is not a lone data point. It is but one of many poor policy decisions/positions, but likely the worst and most deadly.
Furthermore, the race is about much more than those points. It will not be a "silver bullet." It is the whole package that hurts her. Poor judgment, questionable ties to Wall Street and a lack of trust.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)And guess what? she still has the audacity to run for President.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Her hubris has no bearing on this.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)More qualified than Sanders plus the entire GOP field? Absurd.
I believe you're talking brand recognition rather than specific qualifications.
casperthegm
(643 posts)I keep assuming that the issues below will cause Clinton supporters to pause at some point and ask themselves why they would support her when Sanders beats her on every single one of them.
Wall Street regulation/Glass Steagal; You honestly think that Wall Street and the banks contribute and expect nothing in return?
Campaign finance reform, speaking fees/transcripts for GS and others
Voted for the war in Iraq. Bernie had the vision to see that would destabilize the region. And it did.
Classified email investigation; Shows poor judgement at the very least. Criminal at worst. Great to have hanging out there during the general election, right?
Marriage for gay couples; completely flopped per politifact. Yet another politically convenient flip flop
Keystone; no opinion offered until Obama made his decision. Sanders made his stance known from the start
frylock
(34,825 posts)Most of us expect her to drag this out to the bloody end.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)It's going to be a thousand cuts....
Interesting you say silver bullet...that is only needed to dispatch the nastiest kinds of evil.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)has been smeared by the nastiest insults.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Absolutely true!
cali
(114,904 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)8 years in the Senate (with no real accomplishments) and 4 years as Sec. of State (when no former Sec. of State has become President since Buchanan) is not much experience at all.
Most of us know how the "Big Lie" works. If you say it often enough, some people will believe it.
Bernie has more experience in Congress than Hillary (by a long shot) plus executive experience as a Mayor (hailed as one of the country's best).
Bernie is more qualified than Hillary, and has better judgement.
The really funny thing is, even though Bernie has much more time in elected office, he has far less baggage. I wonder why that is?
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)From day one we heard he would never get enough support to even be considered a real challenge, but he is receiving lots of support and is definitely are serious challenge to Hillary's so called inevitable nomination.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Damn it Bernie...get more Super Delegate endorsements!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hopefully she won't take the Democratic party down with her although I'm halfway expecting it.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...is a flawed tone deaf candidate who will sink her own campaign. She obviously has learned nothing from the '08 disaster. Just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, Hillary will meltdown. Thus it is written.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)everyone knows silver bullets only work with werewolves!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Unfortunately, the status quo has become untenable.
oasis
(49,389 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Other than that, she's really not more qualified.
He has more years in government, he's been an executive and he's not beholding to the vampire squid who have destroyed the Middle Class.