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asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:07 PM Feb 2016

That Silver Bullet that some are waiting on to end Hillary Clinton’s candidacy-Not Going Happen

Email indictment-won’t happen
Goldman Sach’s transcripts-who cares; all politicians give paid speeches
Iraq vote – Is that Bernie Sanders foreign policy experience?

She is more qualified than Bernie and the remaining GOP race put together.

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That Silver Bullet that some are waiting on to end Hillary Clinton’s candidacy-Not Going Happen (Original Post) asuhornets Feb 2016 OP
Bernies only real hope Funtatlaguy Feb 2016 #1
You asking for a helluva lot..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #31
why does he have to win NH by 10%? Perogie Feb 2016 #40
I love flat predictions. Where did your ideas? They're tied nationally. roguevalley Feb 2016 #62
No, people who are involved in running for president as Hillary cali Feb 2016 #2
she's not personally enriching herself treestar Feb 2016 #20
What bullshit. She made fucking millions from speeches cali Feb 2016 #21
So? She should give speeches for free? Sanders gave speeches, but he costs less KittyWampus Feb 2016 #23
Well, no, he wasn't married to a president. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #65
Most Americans would say go for it. treestar Feb 2016 #68
It's useless with this one. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #26
The emails did not touch her and those asuhornets Feb 2016 #32
Bernie Sanders has been in the.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #66
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #3
She stayed in the campaign all the way through June of 2008. Why? Well, because... TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #4
Thanks! people really need to see this. kath Feb 2016 #24
Need more like Keith Go Vols Feb 2016 #46
So yea! for bad judgement? daleanime Feb 2016 #5
I am all about Peace and Love...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #33
No it's not a silver bullet it's more a swarm of bee's killer bees to be more clear azurnoir Feb 2016 #6
And yet she is still standing....n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #34
I think they have had an affect Perogie Feb 2016 #44
... whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #7
+++ HERVEPA Feb 2016 #9
Unintentional irony at its best! Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #11
Yes whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #12
IS that you? asuhornets Feb 2016 #36
Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #42
The GS transcript could have an impact FBaggins Feb 2016 #8
Makes sense. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #35
LOL!!! asuhornets Feb 2016 #37
You've missed the point FBaggins Feb 2016 #41
No, you've missed the point. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #47
When did you join the Democratic Party? FBaggins Feb 2016 #56
The average voter ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #61
Lol! "If the buyer thinks they got what they paid for, that's all that matters" FBaggins Feb 2016 #70
She's been too thoroughly vetted. gollygee Feb 2016 #10
Excellent...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #39
It won't take an indictment for the emails to hurt her. morningfog Feb 2016 #13
But the whole package has been thrown at her for 25 years.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #48
After her first loss and will lead to her second. morningfog Feb 2016 #50
More qualified = longer in the public eye? Orsino Feb 2016 #14
I'm not waiting on a silver bullet. I'm waiting on common sense to kick in. casperthegm Feb 2016 #15
It's more like a bleed-out that's going to end her campaign. frylock Feb 2016 #16
Says some random person on the interwebs Matariki Feb 2016 #17
Its not going to be a bullet bowens43 Feb 2016 #18
Hillary asuhornets Feb 2016 #53
"She is more qualified than Bernie and the remaining GOP race put together." NurseJackie Feb 2016 #19
And her judgment on foreign policy is almost as bad as the republicans! cali Feb 2016 #22
Artist's conception of voters asking the DNC for somone MORE progressive than Hillary... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #25
No, she is not more qualified than Bernie. Not even close. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #27
+1 for truth Go Vols Feb 2016 #49
The silver bullet some are waiting for to end Bernie's rise is not going to happen. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #28
No FBI criminal referral; care to wager? hoosierlib Feb 2016 #29
how much? n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #54
300 Super Delegates...lol hoosierlib Feb 2016 #63
No way!! too many..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #67
Lol...I only have 8 to bargin with... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #69
More like a tar pit of personal foibles will slowly suck her candidacy down into oblivion Fumesucker Feb 2016 #30
The silver bullet... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #38
thank you for posting this rbrnmw Feb 2016 #43
Anytime...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #55
Oh, c'mon Oilwellian Feb 2016 #45
Bumper sticker suggestions: PROBABLY WON'T BE INDICTED! OOPS MY BAD ON IWR VOTE! EVERYONE TAKES $$! AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #51
... CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #59
Comedy Club suggestions: Don't call us, we'll call you. oasis Feb 2016 #60
That silver bullet is called status quo. Clinton is qualified for the satus quo. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #52
Most qualified AND a woman. oasis Feb 2016 #57
Absolutely..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #58
She's only more qualified to get us into unnecessary wars. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #64

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
1. Bernies only real hope
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

He must win by at least 10% in New Hampshire.
He must lose by less than 10% in Nevada.
He must cut into the black vote getting it to around 60-40% in S.Carolina.
If all of that happens, then March 1 could get very interesting.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. No, people who are involved in running for president as Hillary
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

was in 2013, don't suck up millions to personally enrich themselves. Hillary is in a very small club on that one. Maybe even a club of one.

That is a text book case of conflict of interest.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. she's not personally enriching herself
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

You can argue about the Clinton Foundation but it's there.

Also in America most people don't find that a sin - if you can make money, it's considered fine. Few voters would respond to this.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. What bullshit. She made fucking millions from speeches
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

Most to corporations and particularly the financial industry. She did not donate all her proceeds from speeches.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
23. So? She should give speeches for free? Sanders gave speeches, but he costs less
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

cause he hasn't done much.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. Most Americans would say go for it.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

If you can command it.

Who says she has to live like a pauper to have compassion for others? Was that also true of FDR?

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
66. Bernie Sanders has been in the..
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

US Congress for 25 years and if he is not a millionaire by now that his problem.

TheBlackAdder

(28,207 posts)
4. She stayed in the campaign all the way through June of 2008. Why? Well, because...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016



Things really get going after the 7 min. mark...


Dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, favoring McCain over Obama, etc., and her allusion to assassination.






She partially atoned for her actions, but KXL, Big Money, Big Oil, etc. gives me reservations.

I will vote Democratic, no matter who the nominee is, but I stand uncommitted right now.


Who is she really, inside? I don't think anyone of us knows!


.

kath

(10,565 posts)
24. Thanks! people really need to see this.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

Glad to see that it keeps popping up, especially in the past week or so.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
5. So yea! for bad judgement?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

The only thing her foreign policy has over Bernie's is more death. Qualified indeed. Take care of yourself, if you get your way the world will only continue to become a harder place to live.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. No it's not a silver bullet it's more a swarm of bee's killer bees to be more clear
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

all of the things against her cumulatively might just do it

Perogie

(687 posts)
44. I think they have had an affect
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

but you won't see it that way. most would say unfavorable numbers like these are probably due to all the scandals

Colorado

Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy; 52 - 46 percent that she has strong leadership qualities and 57 - 39 percent that she does not care about their needs and problems.

Iowa

Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 52 - 43 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 55 - 39 percent.

Virginia

Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 54 - 42 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 50 - 45 percent.

Florida

Clinton gets a negative 37 - 55 percent favorability rating and voters say 64 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.

Ohio

Ohio voters give Clinton a negative 36 - 54 percent favorability rating and say 60 - 34 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.

Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a negative 38 - 55 percent favorability rating and say 63 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.

FBaggins

(26,747 posts)
8. The GS transcript could have an impact
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

I can see "She sure as heck didn't get paid a quarter of a million dollars for that. I wonder what it was for? " impacting a Democratic race.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
35. Makes sense.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

No doubt the average voter would read through hours of speech transcripts, and base their vote on whether they thought they were worth the money.

FBaggins

(26,747 posts)
41. You've missed the point
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

It's highly unlikely that there are "hours" of speech transcripts for a Goldman Sachs speaking engagement.

They were short Q&A sessions.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
47. No, you've missed the point.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

The point being that the average voter is not the least bit interested in this crapola.

The only people interested in those transcripts are Bernie supporters, who are pinning their hopes on the idea that they contain a "smoking gun" statement by HRC that will impact her campaign, clearing the way for Bernie to win the nomination.

Ain't gonna happen. And it's too bad that this is BS's only hope - because he can't win any other way.

FBaggins

(26,747 posts)
56. When did you join the Democratic Party?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

The average Democratic primary voter absolutely cares if a large financial institution pays large sums of cash directly to a politician.

The only ones who don't either aren't Democrats or are pretending that they don't care because it's their candidate receiving the apparent graft. The only thing that keeps it from being a larger issue is that they assume that there might be some expertise on her part that actually justifies the large sums paid to her (as is implied by your assumption that there must be hours of transcripts for one of her speeches).

Transcripts of her remarks would make that fiction very difficult to support.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
61. The average voter ...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:39 PM
Feb 2016

... is pretty much aware that politicians make enormous sums giving speeches. They also realize that their opinion of whether a speech was "worth" the money paid is pointless. If the buyer thinks they got what they paid for, that's all that matters.

"Transcripts of her remarks would make that fiction very difficult to support."

There's the tell. You haven't read the transcripts, but you've already determined that their value is a "fiction".

FBaggins

(26,747 posts)
70. Lol! "If the buyer thinks they got what they paid for, that's all that matters"
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:01 AM
Feb 2016

And that's where real Democrats have a legitimate concern. They're worried that GS will get what they paid for.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. She's been too thoroughly vetted.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

I still support Bernie and I still think he could win, but I recognize that she's the front runner, and I will support her for the general election if she gets the nomination.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. It won't take an indictment for the emails to hurt her.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

The Goldman Sachs speeches are hurting her because the price cannot be sufficiently explained away and we all know she will fight releasing the transcripts.

The Iraq war vote is representative of her judgment and is not a lone data point. It is but one of many poor policy decisions/positions, but likely the worst and most deadly.

Furthermore, the race is about much more than those points. It will not be a "silver bullet." It is the whole package that hurts her. Poor judgment, questionable ties to Wall Street and a lack of trust.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
48. But the whole package has been thrown at her for 25 years..
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

And guess what? she still has the audacity to run for President.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
14. More qualified = longer in the public eye?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

More qualified than Sanders plus the entire GOP field? Absurd.

I believe you're talking brand recognition rather than specific qualifications.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
15. I'm not waiting on a silver bullet. I'm waiting on common sense to kick in.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

I keep assuming that the issues below will cause Clinton supporters to pause at some point and ask themselves why they would support her when Sanders beats her on every single one of them.


Wall Street regulation/Glass Steagal; You honestly think that Wall Street and the banks contribute and expect nothing in return?
Campaign finance reform, speaking fees/transcripts for GS and others
Voted for the war in Iraq. Bernie had the vision to see that would destabilize the region. And it did.
Classified email investigation; Shows poor judgement at the very least. Criminal at worst. Great to have hanging out there during the general election, right?
Marriage for gay couples; completely flopped per politifact. Yet another politically convenient flip flop
Keystone; no opinion offered until Obama made his decision. Sanders made his stance known from the start


frylock

(34,825 posts)
16. It's more like a bleed-out that's going to end her campaign.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

Most of us expect her to drag this out to the bloody end.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
18. Its not going to be a bullet
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

It's going to be a thousand cuts....

Interesting you say silver bullet...that is only needed to dispatch the nastiest kinds of evil.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. "She is more qualified than Bernie and the remaining GOP race put together."
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:56 PM
Feb 2016
She is more qualified than Bernie and the remaining GOP race put together.

Absolutely true!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
27. No, she is not more qualified than Bernie. Not even close.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

8 years in the Senate (with no real accomplishments) and 4 years as Sec. of State (when no former Sec. of State has become President since Buchanan) is not much experience at all.


Most of us know how the "Big Lie" works. If you say it often enough, some people will believe it.


Bernie has more experience in Congress than Hillary (by a long shot) plus executive experience as a Mayor (hailed as one of the country's best).

Bernie is more qualified than Hillary, and has better judgement.

The really funny thing is, even though Bernie has much more time in elected office, he has far less baggage. I wonder why that is?







liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
28. The silver bullet some are waiting for to end Bernie's rise is not going to happen.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

From day one we heard he would never get enough support to even be considered a real challenge, but he is receiving lots of support and is definitely are serious challenge to Hillary's so called inevitable nomination.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
30. More like a tar pit of personal foibles will slowly suck her candidacy down into oblivion
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

Hopefully she won't take the Democratic party down with her although I'm halfway expecting it.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
38. The silver bullet...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

...is a flawed tone deaf candidate who will sink her own campaign. She obviously has learned nothing from the '08 disaster. Just as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, Hillary will meltdown. Thus it is written.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
52. That silver bullet is called status quo. Clinton is qualified for the satus quo.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately, the status quo has become untenable.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
64. She's only more qualified to get us into unnecessary wars.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

Other than that, she's really not more qualified.

He has more years in government, he's been an executive and he's not beholding to the vampire squid who have destroyed the Middle Class.

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