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gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:22 PM Feb 2016

If you enjoy paying multi-thousand dollar health insurance deductibles

and co-pays, then you know who to vote for.
(hint: the candidate who takes millions from the insurance and pharma lobby)

Many with insurance end up not going to get care because they can't afford the outrageous deductibles,
and their condition gets worse. What a great scam for the insurance companies.




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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. What I don't like is doctors who choose to refuse to have you as a client based on the
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016

type or source of the healthcare payments they receive for treating you. If we had single payer, that sort of discrimination couldn't exist.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Not sure that is the case even in the UK and Canada.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

Under the impression there are MDs with purely private practices. Anyone know?

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
5. Worse
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

is when hospitals charge you the full price when it is out of network and your insurance doesn't cover it.
But in an emergency you don't have a choice but to be treated there. You think you are covered but you are not and get a surprise when the hospital sends you the full bill. A problem especially when traveling.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
7. Remember, Michael Moore's movie "Sicko"
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

was about people with insurance, not without it.

The 'health' insurance companies are predatory evil fucks.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
9. The release of Sicko
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

lead to the big public debate about healthcare, especially during the 2008 presidential debates.

without Sicko we wouldn't even have the ACA today as bad as it is.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
13. I feel the same way about his movie Fahrenheit 9-11.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

It opened people's eyes to the Bush administration. How it was a farce from the beginning with the SCOTUS decision up to the Iraq war vote. That scene where Bush is joking about finding WMD. People finally started to see how they'd been fleeced.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
2. I've been saying this for many years.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

I have supposedly good insurance. By the time the premiums are paid, there's nothing left for copays and deductibles, which have gotten higher every single year, including under the ACA.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
4. This.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

The amount of stress we have dealt with as a family over health insurance over the past decade is hard to even comprehend. And we have "good" insurance through my employer. The insurance company does everything they can to avoid paying claims, which I imagine is how the CEO managed to walk home with $66 million last year.

I know our same story is repeated millions of times across the country. We talk a lot about the quantitative cost of healthcare in the U.S. compared to other countries, but there's not much talk of the other costs: denied claims, added stress, and people putting off needed procedures due to all of these factors.

Until we have single payer, universal healthcare, none of this will change. The ACA improved things somewhat but it was only a stopgap as far as I'm concerned. There's no reason for the wealthiest country in the world to be stuck with a third world health insurance system.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. Clinton's attitude is that the 99% has the ACA and they should be grateful.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

This was sold by the Conservative Wing to be the first step. Bullcrap. We knew that was a lie then and now Clinton is proving it.

Clinton asked to show her where she has been influenced by the money given to her and donated to her campaign. One area is the area of healthcare. She is clearly not on the side of the People on this issue.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
8. The sad thing is, "good enough" usually turns out to be good enough.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

To get elected, anyway. The millions without coverage are politically visible, and a popular Establishment candidate may be able to ignore them all the way to victory.

There's a hunger out there for doing better, and I hope that this time around it can win. Health care/insurance reform that began with Clinton's attempts two decades before helped bring us the ACA. That is success worth building on, rather than a laurel to be rested on.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
10. True! And its why I might as well not have insurance. Like many ppl, I can't use it.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

Universal Healthcare. All the great countries have it.

So should we.

GO Bernie! http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. Health care is a human right. No one should go without it.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

The United States of America can afford to provide it for all of us.

Let's make it a priority.

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