Someone other than me is saying Hillary and her supporters...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

are delusional.

"Because, see, neither of them is getting shit past a Congress that has at least one house controlled by Republicans. Hillary Clinton ain't gonna wiggle her nose and cause the obstructionist fucknuts to all of a sudden "want to get things done." Bernie Sanders ain't gonna wave a magic staff and cause "revolution" to overtake the hearts of the very assholes who have done everything in their power to halt the moderate-left agenda of President Obama. The Republicans ain't gonna compromise with any Democrat in the White House. It ain't in their nature."

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/02/believe-it-or-not-you-can-support.html?m=1

I've been saying all along that neither are going to get diddly poo accomplished, certainly not in their first term.

aside: I realize I just Nadered Rude for Hillary supporters.

[PoliticAverse]

1. I disagree. Clinton is much more likely to work with Republicans than Sanders.

For example in 2008 she said she wants to bring Republicans and Democrats together in a bi-partisan
commission to decide what to do about Social Security (like Reagan and Tip O'Neill did in 1983).

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. Is this Chris Matthews?

Hillary can say what she wants, the Rs hate her. She'll get zero. She'll get her SCOTUS nominations Bork'd. She'll work in non-progressive ways with Rs, like Obama did.

[cyberswede]

7. I don't want Republicans anywhere near Social Security.

[Hortensis]

16. Republicans love to call us delusional also

because we have the absurd notion that Social Security isn't safe in their hands. What's THEIR revolution called? Privatization? Repeal is the path one Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich hoped to take when they got control of both houses of Congress.

Good news is that -- with Hillary, rightly seen as only moderately liberal -- we have a real chance of getting a majority in the Senate and cutting the GOP majority in the House way down.

If Sanders, rightly perceived as comparatively extreme, neither comfortably Democrat or even liberal, were elected, there's a really good chance the electorate would do their typical "I'll take a chance on him for president but limit his power by putting his opponents in Congress" thing.

In other words, want an effective president? Our best chances for a number of reasons, very much including game-changing down ticket success on November 6, are with Hillary.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Oh, she'll work with them alright

on their mutual master's agenda.

[SamKnause]

2. The Republicans and the Tea Party hate the Clinton family.

The Republicans and the Tea Party hate Bill.

The Republicans and the Tea Party despise Hillary.

It is nonsense to think she will accomplish anything that

will benefit the 99%.

She will reach across the aisle and we will get the shaft.

President Obama was a terrible negotiator.

Hillary will not negotiate, she will willing give the farm away.

She will get us into more conflicts and invasions.

She has poor judgment.

She surrounds herself with people like Kissinger and Albright.

5 of her 10 military advisers are lobbyist.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Did you read the rest of that piece?

The fact that you picked the thread headline that you did means you either didn't or you don't get the point.

[procon]

5. I was wondering the same thing. nt

[PeaceNikki]

6. It's just weird. And even the part the OP quoted doesn't call anyone "delusional"

And if the OP could imply that about Clinton supporters, the implication is as much about Sanders supporters.

It's just very odd. RP's piece and the thread title do not match.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

11. Yeah, speaking to w realist is weird to delusional people

You and Hillary are in a bubble. She says she's the realist, she's the one that'll get things done: reach across the isle, tell Wall Street to knock it off, delusional shit like that.

As for me, by contrast, I can make a realistic assessment based on the evidence of the past 8 years. Neither Dem will accomplish anything (progressive) in their first 4 years. That's me (and now Rude) saying that. No mistaking, that's the theme of the OP. Part of her supporters' delusional is that their belief implies she'll be more effective than Obama. That's some funny shit.

[PeaceNikki]

12. You don't know me - yet you think you can "assess" me? Fuck that.

Read his words in that piece. All of them.

[In_The_Wind]

21. Looks like someone won't be sending alerts for the next 24 hours.

1:08 PM

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You don't know me - yet you think you can "assess" me? Fuck that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1173427

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[PeaceNikki]

23. Lol, thanks!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. Lol It doesn't change a damn thing, and that's a ridiculous way to argue

In fact, since you didn't find anything specific in the article to quote, you don't have a case to make.

[PeaceNikki]

10. Yes, it does.

RP didn't call ANYONE "delusional". And if you are implying that about Clinton supporters, the implication is as much about Sanders supporters.

You quoted an article which does not support the divisive title of your OP.

In any way.

In fact, the article you quoted pretty much tells you to STFU and play nice.

Read the whole thing. Start to finish.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

14. I don't care about any of that. I only care to make it clear

that Hillary and her supporters need to come to terms that she can't accomplish a damn thing, which -- wait for this -- is exactly was she and her supporters are saying about Bernie.

"I'm a Progressive who gets things done."

What you're trying to do, and failing miserably, is make Rude's point about playing nice, my point. No, I nailed it in the OP: that's my point.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Your OP is not 'playing nice'; it's selectively insulting of certain Democrats

and a gross distortion of what the Rude Pundit wrote. It's a waste-of-space thread (on which I've just had to waste time on a pointless alert in it).

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

22. I've made my point. I'll play nice. There'll be more

opportunities. In fact, I've been making that point for a week. That was the first time I've seen it in print. It was an, "Oh, Yeah, someone else sees this is obvious, too" moment. I just heard him on Stephanie Miller and got a chuckle out of it.

[PeaceNikki]

19. It's obvious that you don't care about his actual point.

But thanks for admitting that your only purpose is to cause discourse.

Enjoy!!

[randome]

13. Look at the bright side. Some of the GOP will endure heart attacks and 'spells' once Clinton is in.

I can see them writhing on the floor of Congress like vampires exposed to garlic. "It burns! It burns!!"

Sanders, they'll just laugh at and call for another vote to take health insurance away from Americans.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[Godhumor]

15. Don't give yourself delusions of grandeur

Selectively quoting Rude to try and make your points isn't going to suddenly changed our impressions of RP.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

18. Lol I'm not surprised Rude had been Nader'd

Typical DU. Blanket dismissal based on the source. Makes life easy not to have to argue.

[PeaceNikki]

20. Quite the contrary. I, for one, agree 100% with RP.

His entire message about rolling in slime.

[pinebox]

24. You want examples? Allow me! I have a shit ton!

We can start here! XD

Yes folks, these ARE Hillary supporters!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

25. Sending hearts to Hillary supporters. I behaved like a prick

That's not unusual, but this place hasn't been friendly and I contribute to the animosity with attacks like this.

[lolabean]

26. Bernie would make a fun dinner guest, but he's not a world leader

I know there are lots of young people who've been moved by Sanders' rhetoric, and when I was in college, I would have been too.

But guys, be realistic. "A revolution" is not a strategy, and "free college, free healthcare" is not a policy. While it all sounds so utopian, it will NEVER happen. It would be much better for you to disengage from emotion and put your intellect to work: We need to put a person in office who will REALLY get things done, who knows how to handle congress, and who understands all the complexity of foreign affairs (Hilary was Secretary of State! You can't get more knowledgeable than that.)

I've also heard that young women are saying they aren't worried about gender because there will be another woman who will run. NOT TRUE, GUYS! It took decades and decades to finally have a woman of Hilary's caliber to run and who could actually win (look what happened to Carly Fiorina running on the other side....she became buried by 11 men (originally), and completely dismissed because she's a woman (don't kid yourself, that's exactly why she was dismissed.)

Don't waste your vote.....Sander's is lovely but he will be a disaster as president. We need Hilary! If you're under 30, please trust me on this: THE REAL REVOLUTION iS PUTTING A WOMAN IN CHARGE!