Bill Clinton, After Months of Restraint, Unleashes Stinging Attack on Bernie Sanders.

[elleng]

'The former president, addressing a few hundred supporters at a junior high school here, portrayed his wife’s opponent for the Democratic nomination as hypocritical, “hermetically sealed” and dishonest.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/bill-clinton-after-months-of-restraint-unleashes-stinging-attack-on-bernie-sanders.html?

Well isn't that a nice thing to hear from a former President?

[daleanime]

1. Just wait....

he's just getting warmed up.

[Samantha]

11. He will have no influence on this race

His time has and come and gone but he does not realize that. Too many people have independently formed their own opinions of Bernie Sanders. Additionally, he has a reputation that speaks for itself. Voters today tend to trust their own gut rather than the words of someone promoting another candidate. I will leave it at that.

Sam

[Voice for Peace]

14. Nicely said nt

[passiveporcupine]

18. especially when he's married to her

Coming from Bill, this does not surprise me in the least.

[daleanime]

22. I disagree, I think he will have an impact on the race...

a negative one. He'll end up hurting his wife's chances. Just a feeling I have.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

48. Too many echoes of 2008.

Making the same charges against Sanders as he did against Obama then, just as many of her followers have latched onto the 'cult', 'messiah', and similar words and phrases they used in 08 against Obama. Just not a lot of imagination, recycling the same old attacks while proclaiming victimhood status.

[mikehiggins]

2. I'm sure lots and lots and lots of people are listening to the Big Dog

except maybe lots of women under thirty, and their mothers and aunts and...

Perhaps the Clintons and the MSM don't realise his day is past.

Sadly, this reminds me of JEB! having his 90 year old Mom out campaigning for him.

[renate]

15. that rings true to me

I liked Bill Clinton as a president but I'm kind of tired of him now. His flaws are starker now that they're not set in contrast to his ridiculous Republican opponents of the 1990s.

As you said, his day is past, and it's kind of sad that he doesn't realize it.

Just like, apparently, Jeb and his mom don't seem to be aware that their day is past (not only that, the idea of a Bush monarchy is grotesque).

[pinebox]

3. Who is he trying to impress?

Millennials don't give 2 shits about the guy as they were just being born or under 10 at the time and the only thing they know about the guy is what went on behind closed doors and Hillary. Literally.

Think about it. The largest voting block in America now is Millennials. Bill is ancient history to them.

[MgtPA]

5. and THAT, folks, is what an Artful Smear looks like.

[restorefreedom]

32. and THAT's how a girl makes a scene....

i couldn't resist





but thread win!

[Jarqui]

6. Saw something similar in 2008

When her campaign started to come off the rails, the dirty tricks and this stuff started, including Bill going after Obama.

It's one thing when some folks on the internet a candidate has no control over get out of hand but another when the folks close to the candidate go over the top.

[Hydra]

8. Ya, the funny thing about this campaign is that I always felt like I had a direct line to HRC's POV

Last edited Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Team Hillary here would launch the latest talking points a day or two before I'd see it on TV from the Clinton camp there. The fact that it is moving so fast from 3+ degrees of separation to 0 is nothing short of astounding.

-edit due to late night typo-

[passiveporcupine]

20. They are probably all getting campaign e-mails

The Bernie e-mails come out after I read stories here. The choreographed Hillary attacks here come out before I hear it coming from her campaign. How do they do that?

[Jarqui]

43. I think the cooperation is wider spread.

MSNBC, New York Times and Washington Post seem in on it this time. Last time, Obama had them going to bat for him or leaning his way and about 50% of CNN and some % of the other mainstream networks - particularly NBC.

I don't recall that media unfairly trying to "get" Obama like they did Bernie (ie NYT, WaPo Editorials and almost no air time). Desmoines Register didn't run the 22 top secret emails story or put it anywhere it could easily be seen before the primary.

If it weren't for the internet, Bernie's campaign would be dead and the vast majority of America wouldn't know about it.

That's the scary part. If Clinton loses, the safest bet for the status quo to continue for the 1% might be to back Trump. So Bernie's grassroots is going to need to grow like a weed and cannot count on the mainstream media who have obviously sold out (or been bought depending on how you look at it).

Some will suggest that justifies abandoning Bernie and settling for Clinton. But since they evidently own her, when does it end? If we let Bernie get cut down without a fight, it might be a long time before anyone else steps up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. They're early. He didn't start this crap until summer the last time.

[Jarqui]

37. He's started a couple of primaries early

I think it started in 3rd week of Jan or so before South Carolina - some racially tinged remarks

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. Keith did a nice roundup....

[Jarqui]

61. I miss Keith nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

62. Me too. He likes to call himself an asshole but he has a heart.

[TBF]

44. They are freaking out -

I'm sure she didn't expect to have to resort to coin tosses to "win" Iowa.

[Bugenhagen]

7. It depends on what the definition of "hypocritical" is. ..

[wilsonbooks]

10. Bill calling Bernie dishonest is going to boomerang.

[Samantha]

12. I know -- that is laughable on its face (eom)

[jfern]

16. Not the first lie that isn't remotely believable from the Clintons

When she claimed she'd do more to rein in Wall Street than Bernie, I mean no one can actually be stupid enough to believe that either.

[cui bono]

9. The things he is using as attacks are pathetic.

Smells of anger and desperation.

Mr. Clinton’s comments represented an escalation in the language that he and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign have used to attack Mr. Sanders, who has maintained a sizable advantage in the polls here. Mr. Clinton made headlines in 2008 for fiercely defending his wife, and leveling tough attacks on Senator Barack Obama, but he has been largely restrained so far in this campaign.

His heated remarks here reflected the frustration the Clintons felt two days before the primary in a state that has rewarded them in the past, but that appears ready to hand Mr. Sanders a decisive victory. Mr. Clinton seemed especially irritated that New Hampshire, after lifting his 1992 bid for the Democratic nomination and handing her a comeback win in 2008, would now abandon his wife.

.

[jfern]

17. "Bad bad bad NH"

"How dare they not bail us out for a 3rd time? How dare they?"

[azurnoir]

19. but I luv the way he 'dressed down' like he's just regular folk and all

I think Bill's day is over, if I remember 2008 we saw hopeful posts that he would be Hillary's running mate as almost an assured victory for her strangely not much about that now

[silenttigersong]

24. Lol The lumberjack look Bill gets lost in the woodsn/t

[peacebird]

31. Bill trying to look all folksy in the lumberjack outift? Wow, the pander is strrong in that photo.

[restorefreedom]

33. i believe the term is "everyday Americans" nt

[Helen Borg]

38. Nice shirt bro...

[oasis]

42. See post#4 for more Jay Leno material.

[TBF]

41. If you have a net worth of over M$55 you can buy some nice shirts

Jun 29, 2014 - Clinton is considered the wealthiest living president and among the top-10 all-time wealthiest, with the Clintons' combined net worth at about $55 million, according to the website 24/7 Wall Street, which started evaluating the net worth of presidents in 2010.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/29/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-i-had-lowest-net-worth-any-american-p/

[polly7]

49. I think they could have tried harder.

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[Helen Borg]

21. For sure, Bill Clinton's zipper was not hermetically sealed!

[peacebird]

30. ShaZZAM! Point, set, match!

[Fairgo]

23. Neoliberal used car salesman sez

You can trust me, because I'm always right and I never lie. And I am wearing flannel.

[RiverLover]

25. Bill fooled US for years. He's the reason the party is so messed up today!

Its just sickening to witness this massive snow-job the Clintons are trying to play on US.

15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World

[noamnety]

26. Moving my question to this thread.

The article says Bill was "fuming that Mr. Sanders used complimentary language from a Nashua Telegraph endorsement of Mrs. Clinton in his own campaign appeals."

"For the record, despite @BernieSanders deceptive ad to the contrary, @NashuaTelegraph has not endorsed any Dem prez candidate," wrote Roger Carroll on Twitter."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b99bdd52d829418490695b81aa0bfeb7/clinton-campaign-hits-sanders-over-newspaper-endorsements

Anyone have a transcript of Bill's speech so we can see if he really said that paper endorsed Hillary, or if the NYT reporter just wasn't paying attention to his speech?

[RiverLover]

27. As usual, they're skewing things. The answer is in your post -what Bernie has to say about it~

"These are the actual words that those newspapers said. Somebody says something nice about you, you say it," Sanders told reporters at a Wednesday news conference. "We never said we got the endorsement."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b99bdd52d829418490695b81aa0bfeb7/clinton-campaign-hits-sanders-over-newspaper-endorsements

Such a pathetic attempt at a smear. But then, Bernie doesn't give them much to work with.

[noamnety]

28. I wasn't clear, sorry. I just edited the above post for clarity.

I meant: Did Bill really claim the Nashua Telegraph was endorsing Hillary in the article those ads quoted?

[peacebird]

29. The Big Dawg only got a couple hundred people? Ouch.

[FBaggins]

34. Sorry. I couldn't get past the title.

They actually used "Bill Clinton" and "restraint"in the same sentence?

[restorefreedom]

35. the whole family is coming unglued

chelsea's screw up calling sanders president, the "women are going to hell" bs, and now this?

the internal polling must be HORRID

[Helen Borg]

36. Hahah, at least, Bill did not say President Sanders!

Imagine if he had!

[restorefreedom]

39. it could still happen! (fingers crossed ) nt

[TBF]

40. The same Mr. NAFTA who attacked middle America

by shipping over a million jobs overseas? A million jobs. FLINT. DETROIT. You OWN that legacy Mr. Clinton.

[MrMickeysMom]

45. Coming from someone who was being fellated in the Oval Office, we need THIS?

Not only is this another lie, but... What a hypocrite! I don't care if he's a former president, or not. What an absolute dog Bill Clinton is for implying it, especially after...

I'd wager to say most of Hillary's early negatives came from the way she tried to defend Bill until that office was shamed by him after being caught in an outright lie about "that woman".

See how credible your attacks are, Bill?

[Odin2005]

46. You know they are desperate when they have to bring in the Turd Way patriarch.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

47. I read it to see what 'sexist attacks' he claimed were coming from Bernie.

Yet beyond saying they exist, he didn't seem to have any examples to share. Instead, he went on to the 'Bernie Bro' narrative, talking about internet trolls who support, or say they support, Bernie actually making such attacks, as if they were official parts of the campaign.

[Punkingal]

50. He should know dishonest when he sees it.

[DrFunkenstein]

51. Hermetically Sealed VS. Taking $153 Million in Speaking Fees

The Clintons received an average pay of $210,795 for each of the 729 addresses given between February 2001 and the launch of Hillary Clinton's presidential bid in May 2015.

“It’s a hermetically sealed box. It’s very effective. The system is rigged against you by the big banks, and both parties are in the thrall of the big banks. Anybody who takes money from Goldman Sachs couldn’t possibly be president.”

Tanks, Bill. Couldn't have said it better. Nice lumberjack shirt, btw. Is that what you wore when you talked to Wall Street execs?

[Robbins]

52. Um

the last person who should be attacking bernie as dishonest is Bill Clinton.who was impeached for lying about receiving oral sex.

[HereSince1628]

56. This rubbarb on speaking fees is also about a relationship of mutual consent between a woman

and big corporations.

It's PRIVATE(!) it's none of our business! Although it wasn't meant as a joke when it was discussed, that's the gist of it.

[Dems to Win]

53. Take the Money and Go Away

My Clinton Fatigue is overwhelming. I am so ready for the Democrats to be done with the Clintons!

[Depaysement]

54. Sanders' sins according to the mangy old dog

1. Doesn't talk or listen to anybody
2. Went to a Dem fundraiser where lobbyists were present
3. Has supporters who made fun of his wife
4. Used a favorable quote from a newspaper endorsement of Hillary
5. Supports single payer

Response:

1. I have heard this before - of course, he talks to Hillary and many others. He just doesn't talk to Wall Street, Big Oil and the like.
2. Big deal. He didn't receive millions in business SuperPac money like Hillary.
3. He doens't control what newspapers and supporters do. They are free people. Besides, Hillary's people (including the mangy old dog) are not exactly angels. And that's not her fault.
4. Oh, the horror. Who cares and why is this "dishonest"?
5. Like most rank and file Democrats.

[Baitball Blogger]

55. I was hoping I never had to say this, but,

I don't think that Bill Clinton has the high moral ground to lecture about honesty.

[DrFunkenstein]

57. “When I campaigned against Paul Tsongas we actually had substantive debates” - Let's Look Back...

From 1992 LA Times (about 5 seconds of Googling):

Tsongas appears to have succeeded in positioning himself as the prime alternative for voters with questions about whether Clinton has the proper character to be President.

If Clinton cannot move the debate away from those questions--as he tried to do in three successive candidate forums over the past weekend--he faces a long, grueling struggle for the nomination. And, although Clinton's organizational efforts might win the contest, the effort could leave his camp drained for the general election.

The problem for Clinton goes deeper than the oft-mentioned unsubstantiated allegations of marital infidelity or the questions about his draft status during the Vietnam War. Both of those issues have damaged his campaign, but they have done so largely by feeding an overall sense many voters seem to have that Clinton cannot be fully trusted, that he deserves the nickname long leveled at him by Arkansas opponents: "Slick Willie."

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-02/news/mn-2285_1_clinton-strategists

[elleng]

58. DAMN! Didn't look in such detail but NOW I recall

how angry I was at Bill for slamming Tsongas as he did then. Were there lies???

(I clearly pick the best candidates who don't go anywhere!)

[anamnua]

59. What do you expect?

To paraphrase Hill's famous Tammy Wynette quote it is as important for a man to stand by his woman as it is for a woman to stand by her man.

[pinebox]

63. Bill, Bill, Bill, go home you're drunk

Because this.
Yes, a woman posted this. Sorry Hillary, your strategy is made of fail.

[frylock]

64. addressing a few hundred supporters at a junior high school...

[Goblinmonger]

65. So Bill Clinton says he doesn't support single payer, right?

That seems to get lost in a whole long list of fail.

Did he not get the memo from Hillary that he isn't supposed to say that?