2016 Postmortem
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(2,405 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)regarding breaking up the big banks, the repeal of Glass Stegall and how so many people lost their jobs and homes as a result.
840high
(17,196 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)...Is a laughing matter?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)How silly of me.
The boat refugees from Africa in the Mediteraneran could "be from anywhere"..
Isn't that convenient to shrug off the consequences of "we came, we saw, he died"?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/the-life-or-death-question-our-leaders-prefer-not-to-discuss/
When will Hillary or any of her supporters become honest?
senz
(11,945 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)There is audio of her laughing about the guilt of a child rapist she defended by casting doubt on his victim's character (a 12yr old girl)
If I have mirepresented facts it's unintentional. Haven't got enough access to do research. I read this first on FB and it was disturbing, but not surprising. I see both Clintons as willing to throw anybody under the bus, by any disingenuous means, for the sake of ambition. I realize they are philanthropists, but so are the Kochs.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The Washington Free Beacon recently obtained audio from a 1980s interview with Clinton in which she concedes some admittedly disquieting information about how she was able to seize on loopholes to minimize the sentence of the suspect, 41-year-old Thomas Alfred Taylor. Though he faced 30 years to life in prison, Clinton negotiated a plea deal that sentenced him to just one year in county jail and four years of probation.
In a sworn affidavit aiming to coerce a psychiatric evaluation of the sixth-grade victim, Clinton during the case nearly 40 years ago called into question the girl's emotional stability, arguing she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."
But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty. Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass "forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)with, or statement from, the victm as an adult.
This, with the Clintons' private prison coziness, destructive welfare 'reform', and I 'll go here: so many women tastelessly exploited by him; with reputations destroyed by both of them.
Her rep as women's champion is a laughable myth. Women who stayed home and baked cookies felt mocked, and diminished.
Yes she has done some good in some places, not sure how she has helped the grieving women of Iraq.
Even the Koch Bros are well known as philanthropists.
It's been an art form ever since organized crime was shrunk to a manageable problem.
From short distance it appears as one thing; upon close examination, something else entirely reveals itself.
But then who didn't love Tony Soprano?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)that she was starting out and doing the job she was assigned, but the job she did was a something very harmful to a young girl. Did she learn from hat mistake? hopefully we won't have to take that risk.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And a special place in hell for me
a 58 year old feminist
me who has been jailed for advocating women's rights
me who has been kicked and punched and sexually assaulted while doing abortion clinic activism
Yes. Hillary and Madeleine Albright just told me I have a special place in hell.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that transcript question to come back to her.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)speeches.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...since he never requested them. At most he didn't join the call for them.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/07/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-banks-speeches-south-carolina-new-hampshire/
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Afraid that something might come out that Hillary does not want you to know?
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artislife
(9,497 posts)How can anyone look at this, another addition to the stark contrast between the two and still believe that one of them adheres to the founding principles of the Democratic Party?
I couldn't choose Hillary and still think I was progressive at all.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)But apparently Hillary and some of her supporters shrug off the international disasters caused by policies she laughs at....
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)From your link:
Clinton told Tapper she voted for the bill she didn't like in 2001 as part of a deal to strike a provision about child support she said would hurt women and children. That's the way Congress works, Clinton said.
"That's the way it happens sometimes," she said. "I didn't like the bill any more than I had liked it before. It still had very bad provisions. But I also pushed hard for a deal to protect women and children. So, okay. I held my nose, I voted for it. It never became law."
When she does it it's OK...that's the way Congress works. When Bernie does it, he is making a deliberate choice to vote for something he doesn't believe in (flip flopping, or supporting something he said he doesn't support).
Way to go Hillary!
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)$153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees, documented
(CNN)Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, combined to earn more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.
In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/
riversedge
(70,239 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)poster pointed out Bernie hasn't backed off anything.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Voters should be grateful for the government transparency laws that required Senator Bernie Sanders, a rival to Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, to reveal how much he made last year in speaking engagement fees. The total is $1,867.42 for three appearances, a grand sum that is chump change in presidential politicking but enough for the senator to respectably donate the money to charity.
Mr. Sanders, the Senates Vermont independent and self-described Democratic socialist, is a far better speaker than those numbers indicate, as his weekly talk radio conversation, Brunch With Bernie, has shown. He has delighted leftist political junkies for the past decade with his iconoclastic broadsides. But the senator doesnt milk his signature New England contrariness for money, not yet anyway.
Loyalists in his fledgling campaign, of course, could not be happier for the contrast with Mrs. Clinton afforded by the disclosure. She has netted more than $11 million for 51 speeches in a recent 15-month stretch, being paid as much as $315,000 per address, with some of it going to charity, according to The Hill. Top dollar for Senator Sanders was a not so hefty $850 paid for a combative exchange with Republican sympathizers on Real Time With Bill Maher, the HBO show where the comedian regularly invites politicians to march to a different drummer. (As a 73-year-old socialist Jew from Vermont, hes everything everyone is not, Mr. Maher happily explained on the air. We love Bernie.)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/takingnote/2015/05/26/bernie-sanders-comes-clean/?referer=
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Why the reluctance from Hillary?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They act like he's been raking in the dough. Afaik he didn't even get paid for Thom Hartmann's Brunch with Bernie shows.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)A renegade Senator jumps into the race talking about a political revolution against the top one percent, telling the public billionaires can't have it all. His main primary opponent ends up being in the top one-tenth of that top one percent, but people do not point that out. Hillary and Bill Clinton are exactly the type of people Bernie Sanders came out swinging against.
And when Sanders started looking very successful in his campaign, the Democratic party solicited someone else to run. So far no luck, except perhaps Bloomberg who is himself a billionaire. He said he could run as an Independent and finance his own campaign. In other words, he wants to try to buy the Office!
Say it ain't so, Uncle Joe! It is too incredible, really.
Sam
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He never asked for the transcripts. He is doing his normal thing and staying above it and letting the people and press ask. Hillary is hurting herself, why pile on.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)fees to charity. What about her?
MauriceLawrence96
(48 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)That clip and the laughing about the title of her book is just ... jaw dropping.
Hillary is one weird dudette.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Would you please turn it into an OP? Or I will do it, if you prefer.
MauriceLawrence96
(48 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Heck of a job Hilly.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter.
It's just jaw-dropping.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)and disturbing.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)she cackles. Terribly offensive sound and in highly inappropriate moments.
3star2nr
(2 posts)I don't find fascism funny.
Call me sexist
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks, Uncle Joe.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I'm still waiting for a glimpse of it.
polichick
(37,152 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)Odd audiences for paid speeches from a recently proclaimed populist.