2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow do you feel when you see a GoFundMe account setup for cancer patients?
Or anyone who is struggling to pay for any healthcare cost for that manner? I see a lot of them out there and IMO it is heartbreaking. Wouldn't be nice not to have them worry about raising funds to cover medical costs? I think we all could ease their stress and worries by paying a little more in taxes while dropping premiums and co-pays costs at the same time. Just imagine what a Single Payer system would do for so many who are struggling to survive.
Here is a link of the list for medical help.
https://www.gofundme.com/Medical-Illness-Healing/
page one of thousands.................
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)After this last year where my wife and I were both diagnosed with cancer and seeing bills for $12k for one shot I wonder how long it will be before I too am setting one up.. Cancer is debilitating on many more ways than physical...
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)I'm not a wordsmith and wish I could express my empathy for your struggles in a way that could be helpful. All I can do is wish you and your wife all the power in this world to overcome this horrible disease.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)So far so good, the cancer seems to be in control for now but the medical bills are getting pretty deep...Good old golden years
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)control at this point. Stress about money should not be placed on you or your wife at this time. This why people need to understand that it is not fair to put anyone in such a position. I know it is hard not to think about but try to at least give yourselves a break from the worries somehow. Again I wish you both all the best and keep fighting.
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frazzled
(18,402 posts)my experience this past year. My husband was diagnosed with advanced stage Lymphoma. It spread to everywhere in just a week or so. There were two substantial hospital stays (around 2 weeks total), 3 surgical biopsies, many expensive PET scans and dye CTs, day surgery to implant a port, 5 1/2 months of chemo, a major surgical operation (11 hours from pre-op to post-op, 6 of them on the operating table), drugs, many doctor's visits, etc. etc. I don't even want to think back on it.
We have an employer's insurance plan, the HMO version from a large group insurer (Cigna, to be honest). Nothing all that fancy (he's a college professor). He received the best medical care one could possibly imagine, and every drug and procedure and doctoring and nursing necessary to address the cancer, at a top research and teaching hospital. And his policy paid for 100% of absolutely everything, minus $40 co-pays for each specialist visit and I think 2 or 3 $100 charges. (We stopped looking at the bills, as long as the procedures were approvedbecause once approved we knew we were fully covered.) We were blessed. But something like 70% of Americans have some kind of employer insurance (some worse, some better), and it's hard to convince them to give it up for something they don't know.
I truly feel for you about having to pay. The stress of cancer is enough without having to worry about the financial devastation. I would like everyone to have the insurance experience we did--with a generous network and no co-insurance. 100% of approved procedures covered. I frankly don't care if it's private or public, as long as it works. Ours did. After paying into health plans for more than 40 years and hardly ever using it, we got it back when the big one struck. Everyone should have that peace of mind. Not everyone agrees on how it should work. I believe we can improve the ACA over time (as we did with Social Security, which left out large numbers of the population when it was first passed, and which didn't have any cost-of-living increases either). I think it's realistic to achieve, if people get behind it. Not that I wouldn't appreciate a single-payer government system either--I just think it will be hard-to-impossible to re-legislate.
In the end, I think we have the same goal. I just wanted to say that not everybody's story is bad in the current system; that it's not 100% evil as some would portray it. I hope you and your wife are doing well and putting all this behind you soon!
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)For us it was breast cancer for her , radical bilateral mastectomy then chemo, for me it was bladder cancer, was a little lucky there as it was caught early and the surgery was pretty successful, no wait and watch with checkups every three months and fingers crossed..Have medicare but no supplements with it so costs are out of pocket and out of sight...Coping so far so good..
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Medicare is fantastic, but it doesn't cover everything. Having a supplemental private plan and drug plan is essential, but many can't afford it. This is also the case in countries even like Britain, which has the most extensive health care system anywhere, but where a percentage of people carry supplemental private insurance and/or pay on their own to see top specialists.
I'm so glad you are both doing well. It's amazing how treatment for various cancers has progressed in these last few years. May you continue to enjoy health for many years to come.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)It covers a lot but not all of it, supplements are out of reach for us so we end up out of pocket for quite a lot of it...savings are gone now so any more happens it is going to get pretty ugly...Just pisses me off so much some times to hear those assholes deny the coverage we need for al of us and look at the rest of the world taking better care of their people that the "greatest country" what BS all that hoopla is... they got theirs so to hell with all the little people ..
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The only thing worse than that is going to a coffee shop or a mom-and-pop store in some small town and seeing a jar by the register begging for coins for cancer treatment for somebody's kid.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)lostnfound
(16,180 posts)Some of those cancer patients are dying, and spending their last months worrying about how to pay for their treatments, or arguing with insurance companies -- instead of spending time with loved ones or doing things on their bucket list.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)we want for each other??? SMH!!!
lostnfound
(16,180 posts)She was a very sweet woman.
When my father became sick, she finally learned to drive at about age 60. I was in college. she had a recurrence of cancer, a couple years after he died, and they couldn't get it all. I treasure the time we had together. She was happy when she finally became old enough to qualify for Medicare, in the midst of these treatments, because it was so much cheaper than buying insurance.
But I was an adult and she was no longer a working mother the time. I think about kids or teenagers who have a parent with a terminal illness, as precious hours pass by, and I wonder: what kind of policy causes those hours to be wasted with complicated insurance dilemmas, detailed medical bills, errors, faceless bureaucracies so time-consuming to navigate? Even worse, the parents of children that are very sick, having to spend time fighting for coverage or raising money to pay for their portion of the bill fighting for coverage or raising money to pay for their portion of the bill, instead of having time and energy for the sick children who need them.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)but here is a link of the list for medical help.
https://www.gofundme.com/Medical-Illness-Healing/
page one of thousands.................
Vinca
(50,278 posts)If we had gotten the public option, we'd be well on the way to single-payer and an end to begging to save your life. I realize Bernie isn't a miracle worker, but I can't stand the thought of no one even trying.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)He can't do it but if we get behind him and give him a congress to work with it can happen, not in one term and maybe not in my life but some day not that far off...would love to live to see it.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)miracle worker but the arguments against single payer I hear are very disheartening.
MrChuck
(279 posts)to the Little League and Bake Sales etc.
We can get our dignity back in this country.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Runningdawg
(4,517 posts)I left nursing in 2001. I just couldn't be a part of the system anymore.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)brother and mother in-law all had cancer. My mother passed at 73, my brother and mother in-law at the age of 56. This system stinks and even though I don't have cancer I have had my share of on going problems for over twenty years with some pretty bad results.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)then angry again.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Huge K&R!
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)look at I understand the struggles women have and the struggles PoC have and they are very important and by no means I consider them less or put them in any order. Or any other struggle we have today that I did not mention. That said, I think we should all agree on allowing everyone access to the care and medications they need to survive and never make people choose between medication or food or make them wait the very last second to seek out help for a medical problem due to fear of how much it costs. With or without insurance. IMO It's the humane thing to do.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Isn't this the best thing to do for women? For, it's women who become the ultimate care givers within the family unit.
I want what's best for ALL persons with something that is possible.... VERY possible. That is not distinguishable from what is most important to all struggling women. I've certainly had them with MY family, and I've struggled quit a bit as one of them.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)same here, I could not agree more with everything you wrote. Great post and thank you for the reply
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)we can do it too no matter what anyone says.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)funny how things work isn't it?
kath
(10,565 posts)Medical expenses - this is the only developed nation on the whole freakin' planet where the concept of medical bankruptcy exists.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)and it still cost them 78K out of pocket. So sad.
The thing is, they do not support single payer or socialized medicine at all. Both republicans.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)and still do not support single payer? They must of had the means to pay this total and since they can the hell with everyone who can't.
basselope
(2,565 posts)My wife was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma late last year.
We have "excellent" insurance and her prognosis was fantastic (caught very early.. 96% cure rate).. but 3-4 months of very harsh Chemo treatments.
I even sang the praise of Obamacare, b/c we had to switch insurance companies at the end of the year and the new company couldn't exclude her for pre-existing condition.
However, the bills have started to come in. First, one 3.5K, now another one for over 5K and that is after 2 treatments.
We are VERY lucky, b/c we can afford it w/o issue. However, I know so many people who either one of those bills would be devastating and I know there are lots more to come.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Old Pruneface called President Kennedy a SOCIALIST in 1961 for proposing universal health care.
Operation COFFEECUP - How Reagan Worked to Stop Universal Health Coverage in 1961
In December 1961, the AMA pulled out all the stops to prevent President John F. Kennedy from proposing universal health coverage. For their effort, they recruited a TV-personality.
Write those letters now. Call your friends, and tell them to write them. If you don't, this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until, one day . . . we will awake to find that we have socialism. And if you don't do this, and if I don't do it, one of these days, you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free.
Sounds familiar to Tea Party crapola of today. Ironic: Corporate McPravda avoids mentioning how one has-been B-movie actor took part in the organized opposition to Medicare in the early 1960s. Here's the story, thanks to Mr. Scott E. Starr:
The Campaign Against Medicare
Monday, March 22, 2010
By Scott E. Starr
EXCERPT...
In order to maintain the illusion of spontaneity, the AMA did not announce the existence of Operation Coffeecup or publicize the Reagan recording. The record was to be used, campaign organizers cautioned, only in the groups meeting under the controlled conditions of the informal coffees. Under no circumstances, recipients of the record were warned, were they to permit commercial broadcast of the recording.
Operation Coffeecup was kept deliberately low-key and internal to the AMA, its Womans Auxiliary, and the trusted friends and neighbors of the Auxiliary women. Reagans efforts against Medicare were revealed, however, in a scoop by Drew Pearson in his Washington Merry-Go-Round column of June 17th. Pearson titled his item on Reagan, Star vs. JFK, and he told his readers:
Ronald Reagan of Hollywood has pitted his mellifluous voice against President Kennedy in the battle for medical aid for the elderly. As a result it looks as if the old folks would lose out. He has caused such a deluge of mail to swamp Congress that Congressmen want to postpone action on the medical bill until 1962. What they dont know, of course, is that Ron Reagan is behind the mail; also that the American Medical Association is paying for it.
Reagan is the handsome TV star for General Electric . . . Just how this background qualifies him as an expert on medical care for the elderly remains a mystery. Nevertheless, thanks to a deal with the AMA, and the acquiescence of General Electric, Ronald may be able to outinfluence the President of the United States with Congress.24
Reagans recorded remarks are quite extensive, and reveal a determined and in-depth attack on the principles of Medicare (and Social Security), going well beyond opposition to King-Anderson or any other particular piece of legislation.
My name is Ronald Reagan. I have been asked to talk on the several subjects that have to do with the problems of the day. . .
Now back in 1927 an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program. . . .
But at the moment I'd like to talk about another way because this threat is with us and at the moment is more imminent. One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We have an example of this. Under the Truman administration it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this.25
And what was this frightful threat that Reagan perceived as imminent?
. . . Congressman Forand introduced the Forand Bill. This was the idea that all people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance. Now, this would not only be our senior citizens, this would be the dependents and those who are disabled, this would be young people if they are dependents of someone eligible for Social Security. . . .
It should be obvious that Reagans description of the Forand bill is a description of any Medicare-type program, not just a specific piece of legislation.26 The idea that people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance, just is the idea of Medicare.
CONTINUED...
http://grapesofwrathgazette.blogspot.com/2010/03/campaign-against-medicare.html
If you get a chance, the geotheology blog continues with details on Operation COFFEECUP. The American Medical Association bankrolled the "mellifluous voice" of Ol' Pruneface.
I bring this all up again because so many believe history started only yesterday. The rightwing warmongers and greedheads have been organized for a long time. They've demonized liberals like me and my political heroes as socialists and communists. The nation has devolved politically to the point where even the leaders of our own party run away from the word, "Liberal." It's past time America realizes supporting the causes of the rich helped launch the political career of Americas first presidential Reverse Robin Hood.
kas125
(2,472 posts)with greedy insurance companies who make money by denying us the care we've paid all those premiums for. I've had to argue for weeks, talk to a dozen different people, actually read them what the law says and fight to get my kid the care he needed. I kept wondering at the time, and even asked them, "what happens to someone who is too sick to make a dozen calls or too old to understand their rights or someone who just doesn't know the laws? Do you just let them die? Why do I have to tell you what the law says when it's your fucking job to know?!?" And of course, that's what they do, just let them die. We need to get the insurance people out of the business of denying care, which is really their main objective.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)I myself have several health issues (spine, neck and head) and due to costs I've just given up for now. My headaches from Hydrocephalus have continued non stop since 2012 even after having shunt surgery, which we still owe 4 grand for. Last time I went for my head it cost me $600 out of pocket to be in the examining room two minutes to have a magnet put to my head and change the shunt setting. I have insurance..........
kas125
(2,472 posts)and his mother who both had the same condition. We so need single payer, for you, for them, for my other son who went to the ER and then figured out that he has a $5,000 deductible before they'll pay anything, when he thought he was covered and it would be okay for him to go when he needed to. It is simply unconscionable that in the richest country in the history of the world, we let people suffer and/or die because greedy people want to be even richer at the cost of people's health.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)reply. I understand the struggles and I don't mean to make things all about myself as some here have accussed me of doing. All I know is what I have been through and I have kept my mouth shut for twenty years and decided to throw away my pride and speak out even if I take heat doing so. I wish you and your family all the best and hopefully we will have someone in office who will fight the 99%. BTW I'm old Deadhead myself started in the early 80s.......
Edit to add I meant fight FOR the 99%, been so long one gets used to them fighting against us
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)We're one fucked up nation.
senz
(11,945 posts)Americans need single payer.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)It's absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating. Most recently was a friend who needed eye surgery to avoid blindness. A relatively simple surgery but one which he couldn't afford.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)sadness for anyone who has to rely on the kindness of strangers or friends to receive proper care. Every story just in this thread has me stepping back to gather my composure.