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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:09 PM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton goes full "John McCain" attempting to exploit a national tragedy for political gain

Remember when John McCain pulled a high-profile stunt during his Presidential campaign--in which he raced to Washington, DC--in an effort to save our country from the looming financial crisis?

Just like John McCain, Hillary Clinton is exploiting a national tragedy and its victims for political gain. She is using the victims of Flint and this environmental crisis as a public-relations gold mine--ripe with photo ops, lofty speeches and plenty of victims to embrace.

Flint will serve as a marketing backdrop, where Clinton will recite memorized soundbytes and slogans while relishing the chance to appear presidential and in command. I'm sorry Mrs. Clinton, but there is nothing that you, your campaign and your media entourage can do on the ground that would make a difference. Just ask John McCain how helpful his mad dash to DC was in neutralizing the financial crisis!

Just like McCain, Clinton's move feels more like a poll-bump ploy that a serious, authentic effort to make a difference.

It's worth noting Clinton's hypocrisy. As a longtime proponent and champion of fracking, which also poisons water--she appears to be unmoved by the pain, suffering and water poisoning that fracking caucuses. I've heard not one emotional speech for the victims of fracking. Not one trip to visit those impacted victims.

I will, however, give Clinton the benefit of the doubt and sincerely hope that she refrains from targeting Flint children and minorities--for campaign purposes. That would be incredibly sad.

There are plenty of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in Flint who are attempting to work through this crisis. President Obama is involved. By inserting her campaign into the epicenter of this crisis--she risks politicizing this situation. Her polarizing presence could derail progress. She is a divisive force that does not need to parachute into Flint and risk mucking things up.

Like McCain, Hillary really should slow down, take a breath and think about what she's doing before she travels down the road to Flint.

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Hillary Clinton goes full "John McCain" attempting to exploit a national tragedy for political gain (Original Post) CoffeeCat Feb 2016 OP
How low can you go! Dem2 Feb 2016 #1
The Sanders camp isn't the campaign that is exploiting victims! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #3
Yes, I get it. You're annoyed that Bernie didn't think of it first. Dem2 Feb 2016 #6
If my candidate did something like this, I would be disappointed CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #15
You will love it when Bernie does it. Dem2 Feb 2016 #24
The entrance polls in Iowa showed that 84% trusted Sanders while 10% trusted Clinton. This is rhett o rick Feb 2016 #17
Yeah, but the price of oil is down. Dem2 Feb 2016 #26
The topic is whether we can trust that H. Clinton really cares more about children or publicity. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #39
We know how you feel. Dem2 Feb 2016 #41
Bernie didn't think of it first. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #59
Neither is the Hilllary camp and you making up lies makes you look foolish. riversedge Feb 2016 #29
Really! Who brought the FLINT issue to the national stage, as an issue, at the Dem debate? MADem Feb 2016 #31
Hillary's welcomed visit to Flint is merely a follow up on oasis Feb 2016 #51
Exactly! nt MADem Feb 2016 #53
That's not true. Maddow asked both of them about Flint Arazi Feb 2016 #55
Clinton--as always--led the way. MADem Feb 2016 #63
Her "compassion" is so very strategic. Flint - yes. Cluster bombs - Shred the kiddies! Arazi Feb 2016 #66
Now, if I said Bernie and guns--SHOOT THE KIDDIES! Would that be "better?" MADem Feb 2016 #68
Is there anything she won't take credit for? malokvale77 Feb 2016 #60
IDK which debate this was. elias49 Feb 2016 #64
As they need help NOW, she holds no office and cannot do anything. Just pandor. Why not go to Ohio ViseGrip Feb 2016 #2
Some of the people who hold office choose not to even vote on the issue. Agschmid Feb 2016 #8
Some of the people who hold office can't even bother to SPEAK OUT on the issue...until HRC did. nt MADem Feb 2016 #35
the mayor of Flint asked her come. Simple as that. Perhaps she will try to riversedge Feb 2016 #32
I think the mayor is making it political, too. Punkingal Feb 2016 #4
This is all about photo ops and soundbytes CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #7
She's worked the phones. Agschmid Feb 2016 #9
I wondered about that. moondust Feb 2016 #19
Hillary brought it up at the debate. Sanders didn't say a single word about it. nt MADem Feb 2016 #36
She didn't bring it up...a question was asked. And Bernie had plenty to say about it. Punkingal Feb 2016 #38
I did watch, and this is what I saw.... MADem Feb 2016 #44
That is just not true. Punkingal Feb 2016 #50
She brought it up first. Check the date on the video. MADem Feb 2016 #54
Well I'm definitely crushed not to have your good opinion. Punkingal Feb 2016 #56
I'm glad they are as I see a glimmer of hope that perhaps Purveyor Feb 2016 #43
Actually, she's drawing attention to the water crisis, putting pressure on state politicians, DanTex Feb 2016 #5
I don't like Clinton, because she's self serving and untrustworthy CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #13
Like I've said, it's another Rorschach test. If you already hated Clinton, you'll hate this too. DanTex Feb 2016 #23
I have to agree with you that people view political events with "selective perception" CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #30
We'll see. One thing for certain, if the press says anything positive about it, there will be DanTex Feb 2016 #33
Let's see what she can do. This might be very instructive. elias49 Feb 2016 #58
Why wouldn't she go? Andy823 Feb 2016 #67
She is drawing attention to herself. She has a very high untrustworthy rating. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #20
I wonder what the reaction would be if she completely ignored the Flint crisis? Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #10
I have been pleased when Hillary has spoken out about Flint CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #18
No, actually she's not Empowerer Feb 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #12
Please! Can we at least suspend judgment? HassleCat Feb 2016 #14
The problem is that most people don't trust her. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #28
Pitiful. (n/t) OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #16
Maybe she's going to pick up a shovel and help dig new water mains? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #21
I call "Bullshit" to this post. nt intheozone Feb 2016 #22
My granddaugher lives in Michigan. I asked her how she felt about HRC coming out there. GD said monmouth4 Feb 2016 #25
Ridiculous assertion. Every move by Hillary Clinton is criticized. She has cared about children and livetohike Feb 2016 #27
I bet she tells Goldman-Sachs in her secret speeches for them that they should put more rhett o rick Feb 2016 #37
Yes, all of those families with children who lost homes in the financial crisis CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #40
But that wasn't personal it was just business. Plez read my sig line. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #48
She "cares about children and their welfare" unless of course... 99Forever Feb 2016 #46
This sort of reaction is beginning to sound a lot like Obama Derangement Syndrome DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #34
I don't recall President Obama making a mad dash for the center of a national crisis CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #42
I think it's kind of a dis to Obama (and not the first). Anybody paying attention should be able Skwmom Feb 2016 #45
Why am I not surprised? nt hifiguy Feb 2016 #47
Oh goody. madamesilverspurs Feb 2016 #49
"This is getting beyond pathetic." This was beyond pathetic months ago Number23 Feb 2016 #65
Give her credit for not ditching David Letterman along the way. immoderate Feb 2016 #52
How low can Sanders supporters go? Let's keep watching and find out. Metric System Feb 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #61
Why are we torturing ourselves? Satch59 Feb 2016 #62

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
3. The Sanders camp isn't the campaign that is exploiting victims!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders isn't using "We The People" as a political football.

This isn't a game!

Save your outrage for someone who deserves it.

Bernie is honest. Clinton isn't trustworthy and people will see through her Flint gimmick.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
6. Yes, I get it. You're annoyed that Bernie didn't think of it first.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

I will look for your response when he does similar - I have a feeling you'll love it!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. If my candidate did something like this, I would be disappointed
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

Not all of us are so impressed with conceit and obvious campaign ploys.

This situation underscores what I like about Bernie. He does plenty of good behind the scenes. He's a decent man. He doesn't need cameras rolling and CNN following him when he does a good deed.

Hillary's debacle can't even be seen a decent act, because it could backfire.

But for sure, what this act does do--is allows her to get some great footage on the evening news and prominent placements on network television.

Just in time for the NH vote on Tuesday.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
24. You will love it when Bernie does it.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

I promise you.

So will I - I think they both should give this national emergency the attention it deserves, it shows leadership.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. The entrance polls in Iowa showed that 84% trusted Sanders while 10% trusted Clinton. This is
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

another of her stunts. Her experience at work.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
39. The topic is whether we can trust that H. Clinton really cares more about children or publicity.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

The majority of Americans vote no to trusting her motives.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
59. Bernie didn't think of it first.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt he thought of exploiting victims at all.



What's Super-Hillary gonna do there? Change the water to wine?

Just what this op ed says.... get pics of her talking to victims.... playing Prez. (the real Prez is already on it)... recite carefully reversed sound bites.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Really! Who brought the FLINT issue to the national stage, as an issue, at the Dem debate?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

It wasn't Bernie. He couldn't be bothered to give the good people of Flint a mention.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
51. Hillary's welcomed visit to Flint is merely a follow up on
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

her noble effort in getting the ball rolling.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
55. That's not true. Maddow asked both of them about Flint
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

And both of them addressed it


http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/02/hillary_clinton_bernie_sanders_1.html

And tbh, Rachel Maddow deserves the lions share of credit for covering Flint's water crisis for many months before that.

Oh and you're another Clinton supporter studiously ignoring the thread about Hillary's vote in support of cluster bombs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140849

Guess she doesn't care too much about those people. No political gain by posing with the mangled bodies caused by her war mongering...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. Clinton--as always--led the way.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

What do cluster bombs have to do with Flint? Hmmm?

Gee, let's talk about the Brady Bill, if you're going to go that route! Or how a guy who votes against an authorization can turn around and immediately FUND the very thing he voted against?

Please.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
66. Her "compassion" is so very strategic. Flint - yes. Cluster bombs - Shred the kiddies!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:14 PM
Feb 2016

She's a phony.

If she truly cared she'd be bringing up the contaminated water from fracking - entire state aquifers are getting destroyed but nary a word from Clinton. Her vote in support of cluster bombs brings her lies about "caring" into stark relief.

She doesn't really care - she's looking for a photo op. It's the worst sort of faux concern


MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. Now, if I said Bernie and guns--SHOOT THE KIDDIES! Would that be "better?"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
Feb 2016

And who voted to PAY FOR all those bombs? And continues to vote for appropriations?

And who cares what kind of bomb it is, at the end of the day--dead is dead.

Here's some light reading for you...it looks like there's another candidate who "doesn't really care," to quote you:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

The attack on Kosovo is hardly the extent of Sanders' hawkishness. While it's true he voted against the Iraq War, he also voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan. More recently, he voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government Ukraine and supported Israel's assault on Gaza. At a town hall meeting he admitted that Israel may have "overreacted", but blamed Hamas for the entire conflict. After a woman asked why he refused to condemn Israel's actions, he told critics: "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.”


See, I can dig down into the old archives and haul crap up, too.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
60. Is there anything she won't take credit for?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

Why yes, there is. She definitely won't take a bow for any of the carnage, death, destruction and grief she actually had a role in.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
64. IDK which debate this was.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

But I know that I remember Bernie being out front on this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/16/bernie-sanders-calls-on-michigans-governor-to-resign-over-water-contamination-in-flint/

That was January 16.
'Resign.' said Sanders.

Hillary would try to get a subcommittee together to discuss the possibility of drafting language to berate the Flint, MI
administrators for allowing the governor's office to mishandle a serious crisis.
(More language to follow)

Bernie said on"Resign" on January 16.
Hillary's going to go to Flint on February 7th or 8th and muck up the works.
Bunch o nonsense.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
2. As they need help NOW, she holds no office and cannot do anything. Just pandor. Why not go to Ohio
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

where they have a problem there too??????

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2016/01/25/3742655/lead-water-sebring/

Dangerous Levels Of Lead Found In An Ohio City’s Water System

by Alex Zielinski Jan 25, 2016 4:47 pm


MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Some of the people who hold office can't even bother to SPEAK OUT on the issue...until HRC did. nt
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:39 PM
Feb 2016

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
32. the mayor of Flint asked her come. Simple as that. Perhaps she will try to
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

assist other cites when and if she is invited. Just saying.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. This is all about photo ops and soundbytes
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

She could make more progress with working the phones.

But calling someone doesn't exactly make for great PR opportunities.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
19. I wondered about that.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

Mayor *may* see an opportunity to ingratiate herself and advance her own career by helping her chosen candidate exploit the local tragedy.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
38. She didn't bring it up...a question was asked. And Bernie had plenty to say about it.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

Did you even watch?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. I did watch, and this is what I saw....
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton brought it up. Bernie was still singing the same one note.

The question asked was generic. HRC CHOSE to focus on Flint.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
50. That is just not true.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

He said this wouldn't have happened in the white suburbs and he also said the Governor should resign. Tell the truth, at least.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. She brought it up first. Check the date on the video.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

I think you're confusing debates. This was almost a month ago that she brought it up, while Sanders stood silently by.

FWIW, all of your "tell the truth" comments--like I'm LYING--say more about you than you perhaps realize.

Not a good look.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
56. Well I'm definitely crushed not to have your good opinion.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

And I was talking about the recent debate.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
43. I'm glad they are as I see a glimmer of hope that perhaps
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

we Michiganians can break the stranglehold the GOP have on our State gov't.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Actually, she's drawing attention to the water crisis, putting pressure on state politicians,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

and she's drawn praise from the mayor of Flint for her efforts. People who hated Clinton before this will continue to hate her afterwards, no doubt.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
13. I don't like Clinton, because she's self serving and untrustworthy
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

and she will do anything and say anything to get elected.

This stunt certainly underscores all of that.

I mean, seriously. She's attempting to tell us that she's not beholden to Wall Street, while taking their millions.

She's attempting to position herself as a Progressive--despite picking Robert Kagan--the founder of the neocon movement--as one of her closest advisors while she was SOS. While she takes millions in corporate donations. While she brokers billion-dollar deals for Boeing to sell fighter jets to Saudi Arabia--after Boeing donated $900k to the Clinton Foundation.

More smoke and mirrors. I won't apologize for being sick of it.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
23. Like I've said, it's another Rorschach test. If you already hated Clinton, you'll hate this too.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

For the rest of us, she's going to Flint at the request of the mayor to help with the water crisis.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
30. I have to agree with you that people view political events with "selective perception"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

However, I do think that the public, in general, will see through this.

Before she's even landed in Flint, NBC has a story that includes a quote from a Flint resident. He specifically says that she won't help and he doesn't want her there.

She's smack-dab in the middle of a heated primary campaign and behind significantly in NH.

I think most will judge this as they did with McCain.

It's incredibly transparent.

Even if she did have the best of intentions, there is the air of exploitation there. The state of her campaign lends credibility to those claims.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
33. We'll see. One thing for certain, if the press says anything positive about it, there will be
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

more reporters under the bus.

The McCain analogy is absurd, as you know. McCain wanted to skip a debate, and the people in DC didn't ask him to go there, they didn't want him there. She is in Flint at the mayor's request. I don't see the negative angle unless people are already committed Hillary-haters.

We'll see.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
67. Why wouldn't she go?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
Feb 2016

She was invited by the mayor to come there, and I am willing to bet money if the mayor had invited Bernie, he too would have gone, or do you think think he would have refused?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. I wonder what the reaction would be if she completely ignored the Flint crisis?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

It almost seems that some will attack Hillary whatever she does.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
18. I have been pleased when Hillary has spoken out about Flint
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

There is nothing wrong with speaking about the issue and discussing it. The entire situation is a horrifying tragedy.

I have praised both Bernie and Hillary for drawing attention to Flint.

However, high tailing it into the epicenter of the crisis is exploiting the situation. And the victims.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
11. No, actually she's not
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

But I know that facts have little to do with the narrative that some people wish to spread . . .

Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
14. Please! Can we at least suspend judgment?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:23 PM
Feb 2016

Until we see what she does and says, and how her campaign people spin it after the fact. She might be sincere. Sometimes she is.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. The problem is that most people don't trust her.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

Here's an abc poll that gives Sanders a 48% to 36% lead in the trust department. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-advantage-hits-campaign-low-lags-trust-leading/story?id=36524847

I saw another Iowa poll that had Sanders leading in trust 84% to 11% over Clinton.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
21. Maybe she's going to pick up a shovel and help dig new water mains?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

...oops, probably not. What was I thinking?

monmouth4

(9,708 posts)
25. My granddaugher lives in Michigan. I asked her how she felt about HRC coming out there. GD said
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:32 PM
Feb 2016

she just hoped she would stay out of he way. LOL.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
27. Ridiculous assertion. Every move by Hillary Clinton is criticized. She has cared about children and
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

their welfare for decades.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. I bet she tells Goldman-Sachs in her secret speeches for them that they should put more
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:42 PM
Feb 2016

emphasis on helping American children.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
40. Yes, all of those families with children who lost homes in the financial crisis
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder how many of those children Clinton visited in their hometowns.

And the tens of thousands of children who were orphaned during the Iraq war? I'm assuming that Clinton went over there in an attempt to solve their problems, right?

After all, she cares so much about children.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
46. She "cares about children and their welfare" unless of course...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

... that happen to have brown skin and are unlucky enough to have been born in a nation with huge oil deposits...

Then it's cluster bombs away!

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
34. This sort of reaction is beginning to sound a lot like Obama Derangement Syndrome
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:38 PM
Feb 2016

And (Bill) Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
42. I don't recall President Obama making a mad dash for the center of a national crisis
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:49 PM
Feb 2016

three days before a state primary vote.

I can't imagine Obama doing something like that. I can't imagine Bernie doing it either.

But look! There's Hillary doing it. We don't even have to imagine.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
45. I think it's kind of a dis to Obama (and not the first). Anybody paying attention should be able
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:58 PM
Feb 2016

to see that undercurrent.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
49. Oh goody.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

Now she's actually getting dissed for giving a damn.

This is getting beyond pathetic. I swear, the more some people trash Hillary the farther away from Bernie I'm inclined to go.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
65. "This is getting beyond pathetic." This was beyond pathetic months ago
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016

But I'm sure the folks rec'ing and agreeing with this kind of crap will be along to remind black people how much they care soon enough.

Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
62. Why are we torturing ourselves?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary could save someone from a burning car or hell, even suspend her campaign and throw her support to Bernie and she would still get criticized...

Some of these Bernie supporters walk around with horse blinders on or act like lemmings...seems more of a social media fashion to support him with their same old responses and their hate...it's getting old and laughable now. Can't imagine Bernie would respect some/most of them here: he deserves better...

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