Gloria Steinem: young women back Bernie Sanders because ‘the boys are with Bernie’

[Luminous Animal]

“Women tend to get more radical…because they lose power as they age,” she said. “They’re going to get more activist as they grow older. And when you’re younger, you think, ‘where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie.'”

http://fusion.net/story/265169/gloria-steinem-young-women-bernie-sanders/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=/wp-admin/post.php

Young women fight back.

Kaliane ?@hotcocoakaliane 1h1 hour ago

@NewRepublic thanks for, you know, completely invalidating our opinion as young women and giving credit to boys. NEVER seen that one before.

https://twitter.com/NewRepublic/status/696022928014602240

[cyberswede]

1. Is she suggesting young women don't think for themselves?

This is shockingly offensive.

[Luminous Animal]

5. Seems so.

Puja Datta
?@oohpujie
@NewRepublic How is this feminism? Way to invalidate our political thoughts & voice. Didn't realize feminism meant we have to choose a woman

c ?@BEYDINAHS 39m39 minutes ago
@NewRepublic what does supporting bernie have to do with "wanting a boys attention" this is politics not high school

Tracy Strimling ?@TracyLynny 57m57 minutes ago
@NewRepublic coming from a celebrated feminist that's pretty insulting. Make that VERY insulting.

Ice-cream Socialist ?@MarxstSquidward 10m10 minutes ago
@sweetnanie861 @NewRepublic this is so unbelievably demeaning.

https://twitter.com/NewRepublic/status/696022928014602240

[Jenny_92808]

16. OP....this is crap

I agree with the vomit post.

[mrmpa]

64. This ain't crap it's bullshit..........

I grew up with Ms. Magazine and the women's movement. This statement by Steinem makes me want to

[Aerows]

74. Serious Bullshit

I am surprised Steinem made such a repulsively sexist comment.

[Duval]

107. What has happened to her? Total BS!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

139. Same thing with Howard Dean.

Is everyone being bought off? We are in bigger trouble that even I could have imagined!
It is Bernie or bust. If Bernie loses I'm buying a gun. And I HATE GUNS! But I love my family, so if anarchy is in our future, I have no choice than to Be prepared. Thankfully, l will. Be one of the 'good guys' with a gun.

[PatrynXX]

62. WTF?

well yeah only if your a Republican Gloria (oh wait... ) duh

[winter is coming]

65. Yup.

[reformist2]

78. They can't stand that the young people aren't lining up behind "their" candidate.

It appears they've given up trying to win them over, and are now disparaging them - young Bernie supporters are dismissed as "Bernie Bros" - and the young women who love them.

[SMC22307]

80. Maybe Hillary will come back with something about not standing by her man, some little woman style.

Again.

Girls just wanna be liked by *Bernie Bros* and will vote accordingly!

Barf, indeed.

[Enthusiast]

109. Shocking to me.

[MissDeeds]

123. Unbelievable

What an ignorant and sexist thing to say, especially for a feminist. I agree, it's shockingly offensive.

[lumberjack_jeff]

181. No. Only the ones who don't obey her. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

197. Yes it is. Where are all the feminists who support Hillary?

Why aren't they calling her out?

[HooptieWagon]

2. What hogwash!

Tweeter Kaliane is correct...millenial women quite capable of forming their own opinions.

[restorefreedom]

3. yes,gloria,that explains bernie's huge lead

among millenial women

the 70's called...they want their talking points back

[HubertHeaver]

137. Not that recent.

Mid-Pleistocene epoch, maybe.

Before Gloria Steinhem, ms was the abbreviation for manuscript.

[restorefreedom]

141. my mistake. i had the wrong epoch lol. nt

[HubertHeaver]

149. It does feel that way at times.

I had to cut the previous post off. Seemed as though I was writing her obit from memory.

[MisterP]

4. "Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot

and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women"

[malletgirl02]

83. Black men and the vote

Yes black men did get the vote, but they were prevented from voting due to Jim Crow laws. Black men didn't start ascending positions of power until after the after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[artislife]

94. Native Americans were not citizens until 1924 and even that was sporadic.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/jazz/jb_jazz_citizens_1.html

Congress Granted Citizenship to All Native Americans Born in the U.S.
June 2, 1924
Native Americans have long struggled to retain their culture. Until 1924, Native Americans were not citizens of the United States. Many Native Americans had, and still have, separate nations within the U.S. on designated reservation land. But on June 2, 1924, Congress granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S. Yet even after the Indian Citizenship Act, some Native Americans weren't allowed to vote because the right to vote was governed by state law. Until 1957, some states barred Native Americans from voting.

[Vinca]

6. That's a pretty demeaning statement about young women.

I remember being for George McGovern, as was Steinem. Guess that must have been where the boys were way back then.

[Fumesucker]

7. Oh my...

[jillan]

8. I LOVE that woman, but that was a strange comment.

[PoliticAverse]

9. Yeah it's not like a boy ever pretended to like something a girl liked...

just so she'd find him more interesting.

Warning: This post is not labeled sarcasm for the humor impaired.

[m-lekktor]

10. well that was quite the insult towards young women!

[SheilaT]

11. Apparently she hasn't bothered to notice

that young women are very strongly behind Bernie.

Makes you wonder if she ever reads anything, or just makes stuff up based on her own personal notions.

Not to mention, this senior citizen woman is behind Bernie. Or with him, as the case may be.

[Kip Humphrey]

12. I was surprised when I heard this... seemed like a highly sexist comment to make... but then

the allure of the prospect of the first woman president can greatly distort the judgement of even the best of us.

[hifiguy]

71. A woman president would be a fine thing.

Just not one who increasingly sounds like the reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher, complete with neoliberal economics and a belligerent, neocon foreign policy.

I think we can all wait a bit longer rather than settle for that crapola.

[Jenny_92808]

191. I want Liz Warren

to be our first woman President.

[hifiguy]

192. I will happily second that!

Was hoping she'd run this time, but she is incredibly valuable in the Senate, too.

[Jenny_92808]

193. I couldn't agree with you more hifiguy

She is so valuable, as you said, in the Senate. Maybe 8 years from now she could run for President.

[JPnoodleman]

213. Pres. Warren has the fire in her belly you can rally around /nt

[Ken Burch]

118. None of my granddaughters would ever do ANYTHING just because of boys.

(Don't know who they support for president...just a general statement about them.)

[noretreatnosurrender]

184. I was surprised too

Wow. Say it ain't so Gloria.

I agree with you Kip I think she has tunnel vision. What a shame that she stooped to throwing young women, who support Sanders, under the bus to try to achieve her dream of a woman president (my dream too). Sorry Gloria, the ends don't justify the means. You really should apologize.

[Kip Humphrey]

188. Look, she's 81 and wants to see the day. I certainly would not begrudge her that motivation at all.

[TheBlackAdder]

13. Hell will freeze over before my three daughters let boys sway their decisions. That's antiquated. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

14. That bugged me to see Gloria Steinem drop that bomb...

I DO believe the part about women becoming radical, but the general collective conscious of people connected to the issues has been radicalized by the ideas they wanted all along.

It ain't the boys, Gloria... It's the people who are listening to their inner voice.

[CharlotteVale]

15. What insulting garbage. I haven't changed a bit politics wise since

I voted for McGovern in college. Nothing and no one can influence my vote.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Ooooooh lordy, lordy, lordy...that's going to go over like a lead balloon! Calling young female

Bernie supporters - followers, uninformed and ignorant is a pretty flawed campaign strategy!

Good grief! Are you fucking kidding me?

How NOT to Influence People and NOT Make Friends! How stupid can she be?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[6chars]

23. It seems a little out of touch, generationally

[leftcoastmountains]

99. Exactly. She's been out of the loop too long. Probably has some $$$ also which further

isolates her. So as a 63 yr. old female does that mean I'm backing The Bern because of the men?
Gloria Steinem being sexist and dismissive of women? Noooo say it isn't soooo!

[jakeXT]

18. Who is going to finance me ? The CIA

You do what you got to do as a young human.

[m-lekktor]

29. DAMN! I didn't know that! nt

[ms liberty]

19. I was watching when she said it

And was totally gobsmacked. The leading feminist of our time said that? Bizarre and dumb remark for her to make, IMO.

[AtomicKitten]

20. I was stunned when I heard her demean young women like that.

[notadmblnd]

21. That's sort of a sexist remark, isn't it?

[sarge43]

89. Yeah. It reads like an old Repug male snickering about wimmins and what they really want and need

What a falling off, Gloria.

[Jim Lane]

153. Your charitable "sort of" puts you in the vanguard of Steinem supporters in this thread

Most of the comments are much more hostile to her. I assume you're cutting her some slack because of her long record of accomplishment -- an understandable impulse. Your fundamental observation is correct, though. It's a sexist remark. I think it illustrates how even a normally sensible person can, in the heat of a campaign, be driven by partisanship to say stupid things.

[notadmblnd]

171. I wasn't being easy on her because of any reverence

I have toward her accomplishments. I'm don't consider myself a member of that particular club so I don't jump on that band wagon with much enthusiasm. No more complicated than that really.

[Jim Lane]

173. Thanks for your follow-up! We're pretty much on the same page. (n/t)

[LoveIsNow]

22. Wow. What a Heidi Chronicles moment!

I thought feminism meant solidarity for all women, not belittling other women based on their age.

[monmouth4]

24. Gloria, Gloria, Gloria. What the hell happened to you?....n/t

[senz]

90. Yes, it hurts to see it. nt

[Jenny_92808]

25. I agree...

Insulting!

[whatchamacallit]

26. Criminy!

[Avalux]

27. What the fucking hell. I wonder how Gloria would explain my support of Bernie.

She's gone off the deep end with this ridiculous supposition.

[cali]

28. She pulled that out of the way back machine. Terribly sexist.

And what is the evidence that women grow more radical as they age.

[m-lekktor]

32. and "growing more radical" correlates to supporting somebody like Hillary CLinton?

OOOOK. lol

[zeemike]

76. Seems to me the evidence she gives points the other way

It is the equivalent of her yelling at the kids to get off her lawn.

[malthaussen]

96. Rather the inverse of what Churchill argued, yes?

That youth inclined to liberalism and idealism, and age to conservatism. Although it appears the quote is apocryphal, the message remains.

-- Mal

[hifiguy]

103. I am approaching 60 and have only gone further and further left

as I have aged. Loud and proud Democratic Socialist.

[Jenny_92808]

190. Same here

Well said!

[Jenny_92808]

30. Crap Crap Crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crap Crap Crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nanjeanne]

31. Was excited to see her - then saw her - and was disappointed and appalled.

She was completely at a loss how to address anything substantive about the woman she supports - Hillary Clinton.

Too bad Maher didn't ask her about 1995 when she endorsed him and named him an "honorary woman".

To me, when I see people like her - at 81 years old - she so wants to see a woman elected President in her lifetime. I can applaud the sentiment as someone in my 60s. But I'm prepared to wait for the right woman - or no woman at all.

[SamKnause]

33. We have had the Republicans attack teachers.

We have had the Democratic side attack;

nurses

unions

Now we can add young women to the list.

[last1standing]

35. How mind-numbingly misogynistic.

Too many once respected leaders are sacrificing their credibility to prop up NoHope Hillary's flailing campaign.

Note to Gloria Steinem: This is 2016, Gloria. Today's young women go to college, have careers, and make up their own minds about all sorts of things - including who will best represent them as president of the United States. I'm sorry if you weren't able to made a decision that didn't involve your chances of getting a "boy" as a young woman, but others can. And you have insulted each and every one of them.

[LittleBlue]

36. It was so easy for us men to fool these young women

I just walk into a crowd of young women and shout "Feel the Bern!" Works every time. They have no minds of their own, you see, they just follow the men.





if it wasn't obvious

[oasis]

37. "Where the boys are, that's where I want to be" Connie Francis.

[senz]

116. Someone's sexism is showing.

Not surprising.

[oasis]

130. I'll have to agree with Gloria for the most part, but

I will admit there is a large percentage of young women who support Bernie because they believe he's the best candidate.

[Hissyspit]

202. "I'll have to agree with Gloria..."

No, you don't.

[Truprogressive85]

38. first DWS calling Young women complacent now Stienem calling Young women attention seekers

in 08 said something outrageous as well

[Romulox]

39. Reality Gloria: older women are supporting the more conservative candidate.

Young women are supporting the more radical candidate by overwhelming margins.

[Karma13612]

125. Well, this old woman is supporting the radical candidate. Throw that one into the metrics!! LOL!!

[Romulox]

185. Love to hear it!

[Odin2005]

40. Wow, what a disgusting comment.

All the women supporting Bernie I know are independently-minded people, Gloria.

[wendylaroux]

41. Gloria said this???? wtf???!!!!!!

[Divernan]

42. Gloria's projecting her own history on today's young women.

Shame on you, Gloria - that may have been what motivated you as a young woman, but today's young women are far more mature and independent than you were.

And, one more thing, Gloria, being a feminist does not mean you have to vote for each and every vagina on the ballot. I say that as a 74 year old, FEMALE lawyer who took a lot of grief for being a feminist when I was in my 20's and broke a glass ceiling or two in my lifetime.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

164. I think there's a lot of that going around.

All sorts of people basing their decisions about TODAY upon experiences they had a generation or more back, and treating the world as if it's immutable and that people will behave exactly the same now as they did thirty years ago. Assuming that if you had to do X thirty years ago to be paid attention to, you have to still do X to get the attention today. That if you do Y, like you did 30 years ago, people will still react the same way they did then.

But we've all gotten a lot less naive than we were, at earlier and earlier ages. We're paying attention more, seeing connections we never would have noticed, are more willing to look for something beyond the soundbites and epithets. Most of us are less willing to be played against each other to keep the same small group in power, laughing and partying with each other socially, while putting on kabuki for the masses.

[grasswire]

43. WHAT???!!!

Thanks, Steinam, for the bump in the polls you have just given Bernie.

What a sad, ignorant, and demeaning thing to say about young women.

[Empowerer]

44. I heard her say that. I know what she meant, but it was weird.

[Empowerer]

51. She tried to clarify it right after she said it, but it was still muddled

She was actually making the point that men get more conservative as they get older because they gain more power as they age and women get more activist as they get older because they lose power as they age. She said women tend to get more activist because "when you're young, you're thinking 'Where are the boys? the boys are with Bernie.'"

When Maher called her on it and said she would go after him if he said something like that, she said, "Of course not, because the boys are also saying . . . .whatever," and then she seemed to get kind of tongue tied and let it drop.

I got the impression that she was going to say that both young men and young women make political choices for different reasons than older people do - and sometimes it's for more shallow reasons because they're young. But that's a really complicated discussion that can't be dealt with - and can come off totally wrong - in a brief interview like that and I think she realized that and just let it go. I don't think she was criticizing women - and given all that she has done for women for the past 60 years, she has totally earned my benefit of the doubt on this. But I do think she revealed a perception of young people that many older people have (she's 79, although it's hard to believe . . .)

I also think she probably wishes she had never said it.

[cali]

79. And that, as is stated in the NR, is false.

Women do not become more activist as they grow older and men don't grow more conservative.

And she was clearly insulting young women.

[JoeyT]

81. That's not really much of an improvement.

Young people vote for shallow reasons, not like the older wiser crowd who totally vote for the good of all.

Which must be why politicians are deathly afraid of cutting anything that seniors are fond of.

But I do think she revealed a perception of young people that many older people have (she's 79, although it's hard to believe . . .)

Yeah, a stupid one. Older people vote for their self interest just like young people do.

[malthaussen]

105. I believe Gloria Steinem was radicalized at a relatively young age.

She did have that job as a Playboy Bunny, however. Perhaps she took it because it was where the boys were.

-- Mal

[whatchamacallit]

48. Please hip us to what she meant

[snagglepuss]

45. A reprehensible and baseless smear.

[Punkingal]

47. What a crappy demeaning thing to say!

[Dems to Win]

49. Steinem also thinks women don't support Hillary because they are jealous of her marriage!

This one's both insulting and hilarious:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/gloria-steinem-hillary-clinton-white-house

In living rooms from Dallas to Chicago, I noticed that the Hillary Haters often turned out to be the women most like her: white, well educated, and married to or linked with powerful men. They were by no means all such women, but their numbers were still surprising. Also, they hadn’t objected to sons, brothers, and sons-in-law using family connections and political names to further careers – say, the Bushes or the Rockefellers or the Kennedys – yet they objected to Hillary doing the same. The more they talked, the more it was clear that their own husbands hadn’t shared power with them.

If Hillary had a husband who regarded her as an equal – who had always said this country got “two presidents for the price of one” – it only dramatised their own lack of power and respect. After one long night and a lot of wine, one woman told me that Hillary’s marriage made her aware of just how unequal hers was.

Haters condemn her for staying with her husband despite his well-publicised affairs. It turned out that many of them had suffered a faithless husband, too, but lacked the ability or the will to leave. They wanted Hillary to punish a powerful man in public on their behalf. I reminded them that presidents from Roosevelt to Kennedy had had affairs, but the haters identified with those first ladies and assumed they couldn’t leave. It was Hillary’s very strength and independence that made them blame her. When I tried describing the public condemnation Hillary would have suffered had she abandoned her duties in the White House for such a personal reason, this changed the minds of some – but not many.

Finally, I resorted to explaining my own reasons for thinking the Clintons just might be, in Shakespeare’s phrase, “the marriage of true minds”. Yet when I brought this up, some Hillary Haters became even angrier. The fact that Bill valued Hillary as an equal partner – and vice versa – seemed to make them more aware that their own marriages were different. It dawned on me that if a sexual connection is the only bond between a husband and wife, an affair can make her feel replaceable – and perhaps cause her to be replaced. This was not only emotionally painful but devastating when it also meant losing social identity and economic security as well. I began to understand that Hillary represented the very public, in-your-face opposite of the precarious and unequal lives that some women were living. In a classic sense, they were trying to kill the messenger.

[abelenkpe]

66. LOL

Wow, thats some seriously twisted stuff.

[hifiguy]

69. That is from the same pile of sheer nutsery

that Bachmann, Palin and Cruz regularly mine.

[cali]

82. That's just sick and stupid offensive

[questionseverything]

91. please tell me this is the onion....

this "equal partner" stuff to explain the list of woman that ran thru bill's life aint gonna play in peoria

[Blue_In_AK]

198. A psychoanalyst she's not.

[farleftlib]

214. What a steaming pile

She is someone I admired and respected for decades but this recent stuff is completely off-the-charts wrong. And the repeated use of the word "haters" for those not voting for Hill is a big red flag. Sickening.

[Donkees]

50. She's trying to spin that young women don't really hate Hillary, they just love boys more!

[senz]

158. I totally agree with your sig line and am delighted that Bernie said it.

He constantly surprises me with his awareness and intelligence.

[Donkees]

161. It's from his speech about wanting to be an "Arts" President...I posted in Video forum recently.

Share the quote!

[senz]

169. Will check it out. Thanks!

[Peregrine Took]

52. Out of touch. n/t

[AzDar]

53. Words fail.

[valerief]

54. That was kinda creepy last night. nt

[enigmatic]

55. Wow.

That's going to go over well w/ Democratic Party women under 40.

[malokvale77]

56. I saw that and thought...

how embarrassing for you (Gloria).

[abelenkpe]

57. Personally

think Bernie will give my kids a better shot at living in a better world. Affordable health care, affordable higher education, better infrastructure, cleaner environment, hopefully less war.

[TIME TO PANIC]

58. Clueless.

[Helen Borg]

59. Easy claim to test...

Just check if young lesbians also back Bernie... If it's the boys, then they shouldn't.

[Arazi]

60. Clinton surrogates are going insane

Has Steinem lost her mind?

What a damn shame

[Enthusiast]

115. Sounds like it.

Another mind lost!

[dorkzilla]

61. Jesus how fucking dismissive can you get?

Horny girls gotta be where the boys are, it has nothing to do with the fact that Hillary is a seriously flawed candidate.

[Dems to Win]

63. Hell of a generation gap in this primary election

I wish the older people would truly listen to why younger people are supporting Bernie.

This comes across as Gloria yelling 'Get Off My Lawn' at younger women. A jump the shark moment for feminism.

[Duval]

113. I'm in my 70's and totally FOR Bernie.

[Blue_In_AK]

199. There isn't as much of a generation gap

as they seemingly want people to think. All of my older friends are Bernie supporters.

[FrenchieCat]

68. You've just exposed

how little you know about this woman and her work throughout the decades.

[Dems to Win]

70. Another good tweet

Lisa Vikingstad ?@LisaVikingstad 1h1 hour ago

Gloria Steinem thinks young women want to break through the glass ceiling only because there are boys on the roof.

[hifiguy]

72. Oh my,

that will leave a mark.

[senz]

93. LOL!

[Luminous Animal]

95. That is hilarious!

[Enthusiast]

117. Pffft!

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[azmom]

73. I'm embarrassed by her cluelessness.

Yikes.

[Empowerer]

75. That's not what she said.

I'm not defending her comment. But if you're going to quote her, at least quote her accurately.

[TBF]

100. This is the exact quote:

Instead, the activist who once declared Sanders an “honorary woman” told Maher,

“When you’re young, you’re thinking, ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie?'”

Maher immediately realized her statement would be a controversial one — and, indeed, it has already drawn anger from young, female Sanders supporters on social media.
http://flavorwire.com/559894/gloria-steinem-tells-bill-maher-young-women-support-sanders-because-the-boys-are-with-bernie?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+flavorwire-rss+%28Flavorwire%29


Did the article misquote? Or are you just defending her because, well, Hillary?

[Empowerer]

104. Here's the full quote and the context

She was making the point that men get more conservative as they get older because they gain more power as they age and women get more activist as they get older because they lose power as they age. She said women tend to get more activist because "when you're young, you're thinking 'Where are the boys? the boys are with Bernie.'"

She didn't say, "Young women back Bernie Sanders because the boys are with Bernie.'"

And, if you read my other posts on this, you will see that I haven't defended her comments. I do think that she misspoke and, given her 60-some years of advocacy on behalf of women AND her obvious respect for Sanders, she has earned the benefit of the doubt from me.

But it IS interesting to me that when black folk criticize comments that certain Bernie endorsers such as Cornel West have made - patently offensive, horrible comments, such as calling the President the n-word - we're told "Dr. West isn't afraid to OFFEND! He speaks his MIND! Don't be so SENSITIVE!" I have yet to see a Sanders supporter on DU criticize him but instead folks fall all over themselves to defend him and his comments.

Probably because, well, Bernie.

[Ken Burch]

122. But it isn't more conservative to support Bernie than it is to support HRC.

It would be weird for you to be making that argument at the same time that you also argue that we can't nominate Bernie because he is supposedly too left-wing to win.

And I didn't like it that Dr. West used that word...he shouldn't have(although it is different when an AA uses it against another AA)...but basically your anger with Dr. West is that he publicly said he thought the president made to many compromises and too many strategic retreats. You'd have be on him relentlessly no matter what words he used.

[ljm2002]

133. Can't be spun...

...sorry.

Her remark was quite clear, even within the context you so thoughtfully provided.

"when you're young, you're thinking 'Where are the boys? the boys are with Bernie.'"

You are trying to spin it into something it is not. Regardless of her point about how people might evolve (and I am not at all sure she is correct on the point), she said what she said, and it implied that the girls have gone with Bernie because the boys have gone with Bernie -- i.e., young women are the Auxiliary Berniebros Squadron.

I have criticized Cornell West's comments about President Obama, but I don't think he needs to be ostracized from polite society either. Same for Steinem, these remarks are patently insulting to a whole swath of young women, but that does not negate the good things she has done. OTOH if we do not criticize remarks like this then we have lost touch with the principles that Gloria Steinem used to stand for.

[PaulaFarrell]

147. That's not the full quote

That's paraphrasing

[retrowire]

77. oh! the stupid! it hurts!

this is some denigrating shit right here.

[awake]

84. This thread says it all Gloria did not always feel this way about Bernie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511158860

[dragonfly301]

85. Steinem did not support Palin

because of ideological reasons, why must she question my motives when I support Bernie over Hillary because of ideological reasons?

[Enthusiast]

119. Huge +1!

[jtuck004]

86. Huh. Mama Stein thinks the plantation stock have no minds of their own, just following their urges.

Surprised to read such condescending crap from her.

[malthaussen]

87. I'm astonished she'd say such a thing.

Or any reasonable facsimile. The words "shut my mouth," come to mind, but perhaps the pronoun should be changed.

-- Mal

[senz]

88. I've always loved Gloria Steinem and this does NOT sound like her.

The only sense I can make of it is that being 81 takes its toll on everyone.

Hillary is the WORST imaginable representative of feminism, a horrible role model for young women.

We do not "get ahead" by playing the system, by hook or by crook, by falsehood and pretense.

[Enthusiast]

121. See post # 60.

[matt819]

92. Is that as moronic as it sounds? Nt

[hifiguy]

174. Spoiler alert.

Yup.

[senz]

97. I once thanked Ms. Steinem in person and she thanked me back.

Well now I'm earning that thanks -- by supporting Bernie Sanders for president.

You did great while it lasted, Gloria. Still love ya.

[daleanime]

98. ......

[ChiciB1]

101. Saw Her On Bill Maher Last Night...

He didn't bring it up, but I knew she decided on Hillary. She's done so much for women for so many, many years... but on this one, sorry Gloria, this Hippie Woman ain't with you.

And I really thought your answers about today's young women were kind of strange. You said how old you were and that's amazing, I was very young when I first heard of you, but as soon as I jumped on the feminism bandwagon before I had to burn my bra! But, I know you've know her for a very long time... loyalty is a good thing most of the time.

[artislife]

102. I saw this in 2008.

A lot of the older women on the feminist sites I went to were down right hostile to the younger members. I was trying to find out why they were so angry.

Holy shit.

When the wheels were falling off the h campaign then, there was one woman, man-- she was angry she said she was going to do what she could to use up all the gas and electric so there would be nothing left for the upcoming generations. She said she would vote against easy access to contraception and abortion and make the young-ins fight for all they gained. This type of things went on for days. It was there I learned to withstand the scorch earth methods of people on the internet. She was one is a sea of animosity. It was a tough loss and they didn't understand why the younger women weren't getting in line.

The divide from the ones who burned their bras to those wearing sports bras was already apparent.

I am not saying this is across the board, but this is not new.

[senz]

110. It certainly was an accurate reflection of some h supporters

and very like the candidate herself: "if I can't get what I want, then no one else can either. Because nothing matters but ME."

Suggestive of severe NPD. Lack of empathy, etc.

Don't ever fear it; it is smallness to the extreme.

[Enthusiast]

106. I love young enthusiastic women!

Bernie supporting young women! Yay, women of all ages and especially Bernie supporting women!

[Skwmom]

108. OMG. She is pathetic.

[passiveporcupine]

111. Well, that was insulting.

Thanks Gloria!

[TTUBatfan2008]

112. It is not radical...

to support the candidate that called herself a proud moderate. It is not radical to support a candidate who has supported the War Machine policy that has been in place for decades and has led to the murder of millions of innocent people around the world. It is not radical to support a candidate that is in the back pocket of Wall Street. It's a damn shame Elizabeth Warren did not run. She is on the right side of the issues and she would represent the symbolic change to the boys club Presidency that people want to see.

Bottom line though is that there is not any difference between white male Bill Clinton, black male Barack Obama, and white female Hillary Clinton. They all represent the same corporate machine: Wall Street, Big Pharma, Military Industrial Complex, and so forth. In the grand scheme of things, the policies are the same regardless of the race or gender of the person representing these policies.

[Ken Burch]

114. "when I was their age, I had to get up and milk the cows and plow the back forty..."

"...before I walked ten miles uphill through the snow to get to the Miss America protest..."

[Jefferson23]

120. I hope she believes it was worth it because she will never live it down, ever. n/t

[IronLionZion]

124. Well if older women are more radical activists

then are they supporting Bernie instead? He's more liberal than Hillary.

[Karma13612]

129. 62 year old female here, fully supporting Bernie. eom :-)

[seaglass]

163. Radical activists for women's issues. I don't think Steinem was saying that between

Hillary and Bernie that Hillary is the radical choice.

[senz]

126. Puts an unexpected twist on her Playboy bunny stint.

Motives can be complex and hidden, even to oneself.

[AlbertCat]

127. Say wha....?

[hifiguy]

140. This also calls for an owl.

[senz]

142. If the photo you posted implies for one second that you believe Bernie supporters

do not passionately adhere to the values of our founders, then you have completely missed the meaning of the movement he started.

[AlbertCat]

145. What the hell are you talking about?

Paging Dr Freud....

Shit... I just thought it was a cool T-shirt.




Unless you're just kidding.....

[senz]

150. Sorry. I interpreted the t-shirt as saying that young people don't understand

our nation's founders. You can probably see why I might interpret it that way. And since we're talking about a Clinton supporter disparaging young female Bernie supporters, I thought you were piling on. As I explained in a second comment, I often get you confused with a particularly unpleasant Clinton supporter. But now I realize that you're you and not them, and you wouldn't do that.

However .... the Freud comment wasn't very nice, AlbertCat.

[AlbertCat]

154. the Freud comment wasn't very nice,

But Dr Freud was a great man!

It was just a quip that you were analyzing too much....

[senz]

162. Yes, he was great; he was amazing.

I value Freudian analysis for the importance it places on early experiences but otherwise find it somewhat mechanistic and sex-heavy; however, the discovery of the subconscious and how it works has changed everything, opened doors in so many levels and areas, including literature and art, and helped to vanquish a few superstitions.

I appreciate your explanation. The person whose images vaguely resemble yours isn't nearly as nice as you.

[AlbertCat]

165. as nice as you

Awww.... how sweet. I'm a big smart ass tho', y'know. But I see DU as a big e-cocktail party. There are some great people on here and some of the funniest, wittiest, and some come-back kings too. It's a trip! But most of the time, not earth shattering.... or shouldn't be.

So, quoting Maggie Smith: "A cocktail Monsieur Pierrot? A Pink Lady? Sidecar? Between the Sheets?"

[senz]

172. Cocktail party for some, rhetorical warfare for others

I can't crack a joke at all, can't connect cocktail names with flavors, and am terribly worried about the fate of democracy and the planet, so of course I lean more toward the other camp. But without a doubt people like you have more fun -- which is a good thing! Somebody's gotta do it, so please help yourself to my share, AlbertCat.

[hifiguy]

176. Just to clarify, my owl

was a seconding of your George, not questioning it.

[senz]

146. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

I often confuse you for another commenter whose avatar and sig line bear a visual resemblance to yours.

[AlbertCat]

151. I apologize.

No need!

There's way too much "reading between the lines' here on a normal day. During primaries...look out!

[senz]

189. Is that AlbertCat in your sig line?

Is he the kitty floating on a nice pillow somewhere up in heaven? Which is where all good kitties -- which of course is all kitties -- end up.

[Bernblu]

128. Gloria is doing what she always accusing men of doing.

This is a woman who declared Bernie an honorary woman" for his support of women and women's issues.

“Women tend to get more radical…because they lose power as they age,”

What is she talking about and how is it radical to back to Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders??? It would seem to me that the policies that Bernie supports would give younger and older woman a better life. Is she saying that because Hillary is a woman that somehow trumps everything else? This is ID politics taken to its most extreme.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

131. Fuck you Gloria.

[Karma13612]

132. Gloria really disappointed with this remark. Shame on her.

I am guessing that she has not kept up with the times and what younger gals are actually thinking.

Yea, Elizabeth Warren is much more in tune now.

And I would imagine she might be one of the Strong figures that young gals relate to now, if they get to know her.

[noretreatnosurrender]

187. Gals?

Wow, I haven't heard that one in a long time.

[Karma13612]

210. yea, I'm 62 so it sometimes rolls off the tongue when I start

to get sentimental!!!

[noretreatnosurrender]

215. lol

lol

[TransitJohn]

134. Wow, completely denying agency to young women

gross

[Armstead]

135. Tbis campaign is making good people say dumb things

[Purveyor]

136. K&R for exposure. eom

[Eleanors38]

138. "Wh-e-e-e-r-re the boys are, someone waits for me-e-e."

With apologies to Connie Francis.

[saltpoint]

143. Can't say for sure, but I'm guessing

Gloria Steinem may garner quite a few 'fuck you's' from women 18 to 30 or so in the coming weeks.

[frylock]

144. Jeez. How many more people are willing to undermine their own credibility for the Clinton Machine?

[mhatrw]

148. I know what boys like.

[Fumesucker]

167. I know what guys want

[orpupilofnature57]

152. Not much of a compliment to Woman's intelligence .

[DeGreg]

155. Will ANY woman do?

I spent a lot of time trying to find the right phrase that would help convince folks that it would be a great thing to have a woman president, but not just any woman––rather, the right woman. This is what I've come up with:

I want a
WOMAN PRESIDENT
too, but not a woman
president who thinks
exactly like the MEN
who got us into this
MESS.


ALSO, and this is a great little agitprop method to spread the message, I print this phrase on POST-IT notes, and I stick them here and there and everywhere––where people might least expect to see a political message (restaurant bathrooms, windshields, home depot shelves, etc.,). Memes for the physical world!

Wish I could link a photo to show you (but, it's a lazy rainy day in FL and I don't have a ready-made web location where I can link to photos), but give it a try. If you can't figure out how to print on POST-it notes, just google search.

I intend to get more aggressive with this method when larger events (political or otherwise) happen locally.

thx, DeGreg

[senz]

175. Great idea, DeGreg!

I hope others around the country pick up on it and it spreads. If you had a huge amount of courage, it might even open some eyes at a Clinton rally (of course, the 3rd Wayers don't give a shit about feminism, so it wouldn't move them).

[Live and Learn]

156. Wow, what a sexist thing to say. Shame on Gloria. nt

[saltpoint]

157. She's only saying that because

Howard Dean likes Hillary.

[Mike Nelson]

159. Huh?

...not following Ms. Steinem's train of thought.

[Live and Learn]

160. I liked Gloria a lot better when she was a young woman.

What the hell happened to her?

[katsy]

166. Unfortunate statement.

That really does a disservice to all young women.

[2pooped2pop]

168. This is sexist. Where the hell are the sexist police noiw?

[hifiguy]

177. They vanish if the speaker is pro-HRH.

The hypocrisy beggars the imagination.

[Le Taz Hot]

170. Wow!

After 50 years she just lost all my respect.

Fuck you, Gloria!

[hifiguy]

180. Well if it's a woman running for POTUS it doesn't matter who she is.

Or what her policies are or aren't, or despite close personal associations so foul as to defy description (Kissinger, Blankfein). Some would probably vote for Batshit Bachmann, Zombie Thatcher or the ghost of Elizabeth Bathory if they were running solely because of gender and they'd still be hating on Bernie.

[Boomer]

178. Oh really. So what's my excuse?

I'm a 62 year old lesbian. I don't care where "the boys" are, but I'm also a Bernie supporter.

[snagglepuss]

179. Gloria:another comfortably well-off person blind to how bad the situation

has become for millions of Americans, especially young people but given she hangs with the multi-millionaires as are the Clinton's her ignorance is not remarkable.

[Utopian Leftist]

182. What Steinem demonstrates

is that some women care more about grinding their axes than they care about the future of our country.

If she of all people will stoop to sexism . . . . ????

[seafan]

183. No, Ms. Steinem. 'The boys' are with Hillary. Young women are with Bernie Sanders and The People.

[font size=3] Young women back Bernie Sanders because ‘the boys are with Bernie’ ----Gloria Steinem, February 5, 2016[/font]




With Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs


With Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase


With Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago


With Rupert Murdoch, media oligarch


With Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State in the Nixon Administration


With Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel


https://www.instagram.com/p/7GXcgxGhbG/
With the Bushes (Hat tip to Trump's Instagram)

George W. Bush: 'Hillary is like my sister-in-law.'





No, Ms. Steinem. Hillary is 'with the boys'. The young women are with Bernie Sanders and The People.

[hifiguy]

195. She's certainly awfully tight with

some of the most utterly vile people on earth.

One's chosen associations speak volumes about who you really are.

[seafan]

207. This country must move past the Clintons and the Bushes....

...and all the assorted war criminals, war profiteers, neocons, cold warriors, Wall Street bloodsuckers, Big Insurance, Big Agriculture, Monsanto, Big PHarma, MIC greedsters who have thrived during those years.

Looking around, the revolution is gathering outside the gates. Metaphorically, of course.

[hifiguy]

208. I could not agree with you more.

[tularetom]

186. My granddaughters are both mothers now but in their late teens/early 20's

They were so much more together, balanced, poised and self assured than the young men they grew up with that they almost seemed like different species. They didn't have to follow boys anywhere, the boys followed them, eyes bulging and tongues hanging out.

And now I'm seeing history repeat itself with my 19 y.o. grandson. He's a cross between a nerd and a caveman, so crude and socially inept that it amazes me the few times I've ever seen him with a girl.

I love all my grandkids, but Miss Steinem (she doesn't deserve the title Ms anymore) is selling young women short with that idiotic remark. The genders mature at different rates and her comment may apply to 13 or 14 year old girls. But sure as he'll not to young women of voting age.

[Blue_In_AK]

194. This really tarnishes my opinion of Gloria Steinem,

who you would think would be above this sort of sexist remark.

[beam me up scottie]

196. Say goodbye to the millenial vote, Hillary.

Your surrogate just went sexist, and not just sexist but rabid right wing sexist on the passionate young women who support Bernie by implying they're boy crazy idiots.

[GreenPartyVoter]

200. How disappointing

[Dems to Win]

201. Couple more good tweets

Max ?@maxtastrophe 45m45 minutes ago

Perhaps the most unfortunate thing about Gloria Steinem's comments is that it sounds EXACTLY like something @realDonaldTrump would say.


Rebecca Pierce ?@aptly_engineerd 4h4 hours ago

This is a typical misogynist tactic for silencing women. Gloria Steinem is invoking misogyny to protect imperialism

[Nite Owl]

203. And she doesn't see that as the least bit sexist?

Young women don't have minds of their own, they depend on the male gender. She's no feminist anymore.

[FreakinDJ]

204. Its getting pretty ugly in the Twitterverse

Gloria stepped in duedue on this one

[Hiraeth]

205. How fucking demeaning. I am disgusted.

[saltpoint]

206. Kick. eom

[nichomachus]

209. Go back to your job at the CIA, Gloria

How come she never talks about that?

[renate]

211. I'd like to think that she didn't really mean that, and regretted it instantly

Otherwise... this makes me pretty sad. I grew up reading Ms magazine and respected her enormously.

[cui bono]

212. Wow, what a feminist. Discrediting young women's opinions simply because they differ from yours.

She has just completely invalidated her standing as a feminist in today's world. Feminism isn't about backing a woman no matter what. Feminism is about women being able to make their own choices and have their own opinions.

.