2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton push polling also reported in NH.
Clinton's Campaign
Clinton has also brought in many supporters as well. I don't know the exact figures on the numbers both campaigns are bringing in but it's pretty large for both campaigns. I'm sure many of you are wondering if Clinton is trying any dirty tactics or trying to undermine Bernie's campaign in any way and here's the answer to that question. YES! 100% YES! I've been a victim of push polling 5 times already by the Clinton campaign in the last 2 days. I'd hate to see anyone fall prey to this type of predatory campaigning because it's literally skewing every question to make it seem anti-Bernie even on issues that Bernie has been outspoken about. For example one of the questions I got was "If I told you that Bernie plans on massive tax increases for middle-class Americans are you more or less likely to vote for Bernie"? After a couple of these phone calls I started metaphorically giving them the middle finger by saying "FEEL THE BERN" and then hanging up the phone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/44gxl3/ground_report_from_new_hampshire/
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And she is so upset with Bernie for daring to bring up her actual quotes.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)She is beyond the pall!!!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)All she has left to camapign on are Debbies and other corruptors.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Their line will be that "Polls showed Bernie 30 points ahead of Clinton prior to the debate, and she made up significant ground...yadda, yadda, yadda". The polls showing Bernie EXTREMELY ahead were part of the setup for "huge Clinton gains". We are being played.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)If she can steal her way to a caucus victory in Iowa (which takes a lot of effort) you can bet she'll have no problem stealing votes on electronic voting machines (which is easy breezy compared to the coordinated caucus antics she pulled off in Iowa).
Coming to a state near you--the rigged, corrupt stylings of the Clinton machine!
Remember when we had a democracy? Those were the good old days, weren't they?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)the Clinton's. They are just two links in the chain. Every poll, every 'news' story are all being carefully scripted and choreographed to create a public image of a 'resurgent Hillary Clinton'.
Their script is painfully obvious to anyone paying attention. Hopefully enough are.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)The second greatest turnout in Iowa history by a large margin. I believe the Dem turnout was between 170k-180k. A lot of the presumable Bernie surplus due to the relatively high turnout would be lost on delegate equivalencies. In other words you only get so many pre-determined delegate equivalencies regardless of turnout, so surplus millennials would count to total votes but not the percentages the news coverage was using all night.
It's just a guess that Bernie won, but it's predicated on reasonable assumptions. I heard about multiple press guys in Iowa telling Joe Scarborough that Bernie won.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Based on what I know. Based on what happened in my very own precinct. Based on what has come out thus far. Based on the fact that Andy "License Plate" McGuire preventing Bernie from even looking at the delegate sheets. Based on the lying, scheming Clintons.
I think Bernie won. I think he won more delegates. I think he won the Iowa caucuses.
I think Ms. McGuire slowed down the counts at the end, so Hillary could quickly slide in and give her, "I've won!" screed. Then, they fixed some of the numbers. It's all ready coming out. There's a precinct in Grinnell. A professor was in charge of the precinct. He looked at the Iowa Democratic Party website to see the official totals in his precinct. Hillary had earned one more delegate than his precinct gave her; and they gave Bernie one less. So, the IDP had altered the numbers HE, HIMSELF SENT IN TO THEM!
That's why they don't want an audit.
It's such a travesty. Rigging a fucking caucus.
And they'll NEVER release the raw vote totals. I have no problem with that. They've never released the popular vote. It's a caucus, not a popular vote/election. So I am with them on that. I'm not with them on anything else.
They need to allow Bernie to look at the delegate sheets (sheets that the Precinct Captain sends in to the Iowa Democratic Party), so he can compare those sheets with the official totals--and also with the totals that Bernie has. Bernie asked his precinct captains to email/send him in the totals from their precincts.
What Clinton has done to my state is reprehensible. She's disgusting. Vile. We had record turnout with Obama in 2008. No problems. No glitches. No coin tosses. No shortage of Precinct Captains. No cheating. The battle axe Hillary comes to Iowa and suddenly our caucus is a farce, the Des Moines Register is calling for an audit and the entire country is laughing at us. All so she could cheat and violate the will of the Iowa people.
Detestable, that one.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)pro Hillary phone surveys. One brought up Bernie's gun control record. I'm in Vermont.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)She can't get away with this.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)without consent in NH is illegal. Other states also. But it sure would be nice to get a recording.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)should be reported to the election board
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Videotape the Phone with the message and ya gottit! Put on Youtube! Got to cut these crooks off at the knees!
corkhead
(6,119 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)And give up?
Ino
(3,366 posts)and she has not disappointed me.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I spend 8 hours a day campagining... Knocking on doors and making calls and I can tell you this isn't us.
It might be one phone banker who shouldn't have that role clearly but it isn't the "Hillary Campaign".
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Watch her... Listen to her... She is pathological in her words and actions... Hysterical Personality Disorder.... Look it up!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)No.
I didn't.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)She tries not to leave a trail. Like the voter suppression in North Carolina in 2008. If you're going to take the low road you have to be careful. Everybody knows that in national politics.
frylock
(34,825 posts)all they can hope to do is depress turnout with these polls.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I just spent hours on GOTV efforts...
Aka "suppression" to some apparently.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Manipulative push polls are a tried and true method of depressing your opponent's voter turnout. In any case, good on you for doing the heavy lifting. I mean that sincerely.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)It sounds like you are working hard. I respect that very much.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Canvassing and calling is tough work. It's hard!
I respect that you are working so hard and showing support for your candidate.
Work like that takes guts. That's how it's done.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)This, again, is what Republicans do.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)but if we dare call this OP what it is we get posts removed.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)push pollers and sometimes illegal, because in many states you can't record them without consent. We also have a claim of push polling in NH. Plus there is the general sleaze factor of being officially affiliated with David Brock, a professional scumbag. Then there is the voter suppression which occurred in 2008 directed against the Obama campaign in North Carolina. Quite a bit of smoke there for no fire. Clintonian tactics are, well, Clintonian.
dsc
(52,162 posts)and I don't remember any voter suppression here at all in 2008 in the primary. In short that is delusional bullshit. But again, you have provided no evidence, none at all. I am sure if I looked hard enough I could find a redit poster claiming that Sanders is a serial killer.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Now seriously, with this kind of tainted background, why would she associate with someone like David Brock? He is the Karl Rove of the Democratic Party. In fact, he is probably the only sleaze monger who has performed dirty tricks on both sides of the aisle as a national operative.
The North Carolina state board of elections reported that misleading robocalls were made to African-american voters in the days leading up to the primary in late April 2008,[10] which essentially told registered voters that they were not registered.[11] According to NPR [12] and Facing South,[13] these calls were made by the organization "Women's Voices Women Vote."[14]
"Women's Voices Women Vote" included members such as former White House chief of staff John Podesta, Maggie Williams, and Page Gardner, all of whom have close ties to the Clintons. Voters and watchdog groups complained that it was a turnout-suppression effort, and the state Attorney General Roy Cooper ordered them to stop making the calls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Democratic_primary,_2008
elias49
(4,259 posts)Screw you Clinton.
Cheap tactics.
senz
(11,945 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)When marketers call at supper time I try to keep them on the phone as long as possible and always end with a request for their home phone number so I can call them during dinner.
Make them repeat many of the questions.
Insert a commentary about it's hard to choose among the options provided,
make them push you again.